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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS



Gary’s Answer

Mr. Nice! posted:

Pancrase was worked more often than not.

how dare you imply that my bas rutten self defense tapes have not adequately prepared me to dang da dang da dang an attacker on the street

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Schenck v. U.S.
Sep 8, 2010


Mr. Nice! posted:

Pancrase was worked more often than not.

also good to note

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Schenck v. U.S. posted:

In addition I think elbows are very seldom used in sparring because it's difficult to practice them safely (you don't want to slice up your sparring partner's face), so most fighters don't have a lot of practice either throwing or defending against elbows.
Agreed -- you see some gyms (mine included) having students using elbow pads and headgear, but people are generally too ginger with elbows to tune those strikes to fight-ready.

quote:

Also MMA fights frequently go to positions on the ground or in the clinch where the distance is too close to punch effectively, while elbows can be throw effectively in very short distances.
Elbows are allowed in Muay Thai, and the Thais have made an art of it. I assume because the pro fighters get so much practice with them in the ring that it makes up for less alive sparring time.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



kimbo305 posted:

Agreed -- you see some gyms (mine included) having students using elbow pads and headgear, but people are generally too ginger with elbows to tune those strikes to fight-ready.

Elbows are allowed in Muay Thai, and the Thais have made an art of it. I assume because the pro fighters get so much practice with them in the ring that it makes up for less alive sparring time.

Here is the best example by the best ever for the uninitiated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70YMVPb3IWo

chaleski
Apr 25, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 7 days!


Captain Log posted:

Here is the best example by the best ever for the uninitiated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70YMVPb3IWo

Anderson saw that elbow in one of the Ong Bak movies and told his coaches he wanted to learn it but they absolutely refused, so he practiced it at home on his wife holding couch pillows

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



chaleski posted:

Anderson saw that elbow in one of the Ong Bak movies and told his coaches he wanted to learn it but they absolutely refused, so he practiced it at home on his wife holding couch pillows

I was going to add that and forgot - thanks!

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

He expended too much energy and got tired

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS


Mr. Nice! posted:

Pancrase was worked more often than not.

There were worked fights but I don't think there's any evidence bas rutten fights were rigged, and they certainly didn't look like it. Bas was legit really good.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

RIP Blindsite
He Never Scored


Dangersim posted:

There were worked fights but I don't think there's any evidence bas rutten fights were rigged, and they certainly didn't look like it. Bas was legit really good.

Its one of those things. Because some fights were worked its hard to give all of them credibility. There were definitely a lot of stoppages bas pulled off where someone got hosed up whether or not they were taking a dive.

Either way bas was legit in his day.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Bleak Gremlin

Mr. Nice! posted:

Pancrase was worked more often than not.

Here's a question; how much of this was "this is the guy who's winning because Yakuza money says he has to" and how much of it was "go out there and put on a super good show, even if that means doing things that wouldn't be the best move for a fight-fight type fight because the crowd of Yakuza heavies wants blood and guts"? Some of both?

david carmichael
Oct 28, 2011


There weren't even rumours of Yakuza involvement in pancrase iirc. It wasn't fixed fights, it was sometimes pro wrestling and sometimes real fights

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



Pride, on the other hand...

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



Bluedeanie posted:

Pride, on the other hand...

Only Space Jesus knows if certain fights were fixed.

VoLaTiLe
Oct 21, 2010

He's Behind you

I decided to skip this weeks longest running wrassling entertainment program as I've been working/ playing persona 5.

Glad to hear that ma boy "Da Bigga Dawg" Strowman is kicking tale.

But I have an important question to ask. Has Nakamura killed Dolph Ziggles in the ring yet? As i like Nakamaura and Ziggles bores me.

Also where's the naked Cena gif from?

Chillanese
Mar 30, 2010


This is the combat sports q&a thread. It's for questions about combat sports.
Here's a link to a q&a thread for fake and gay things like naked Cenas and Ziggles: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3180956

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



Chillanese posted:

This is the combat sports q&a thread. It's for questions about combat sports.
Here's a link to a q&a thread for fake and gay things like naked Cenas and Ziggles: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3180956

Do what now?

Chillanese
Mar 30, 2010


Captain Log posted:

Do what now?

It's just my way of saying that this is the thread for asking why real fights are boring.
The other thread is for asking questions about imaginary things that bore you like Ziggles.
They should sticky the other one too so it's less confusing.

e; hey jake ellenbe, i mean Captain Log, wouldn't it be cool to see the very real death of rudolpho jiggler, who's fully recovered and annoying as ever the following week?
wouldn't that be cool in real life? wait why are you looking at me like that? what's wrong?

Chillanese fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Apr 23, 2017

Writer Cath
Apr 1, 2007

It's always Heath's fault.



Plaster Town Cop

I'm sure this has been asked, but what's the history behind the names of some of the classes, like Flyweight, Bantamweight, Welterweight and Featherweight? I've done some cursory research, but never found a good explanation.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


flyweight - the minimum size a fighter has to be to not get scared that a buzzing fly will carry him away

bantamweight - bantam chickens are smaller than average. these fighters can easily be shoved inside an egg

featherweight - a sack of feathers is twice as heavy as a featherweight

welterweight - a corruption of Walterweight, these fighters are the same size as prime Walter Matthau

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man




LobsterMobster posted:

flyweight - the minimum size a fighter has to be to not get scared that a buzzing fly will carry him away

bantamweight - bantam chickens are smaller than average. these fighters can easily be shoved inside an egg

featherweight - a sack of feathers is twice as heavy as a featherweight

welterweight - a corruption of Walterweight, these fighters are the same size as prime Walter Matthau

Checks out. Also Atomweight is actually named for forums poster -Atom-, whose posts have little substance. Cruiserweight is a reference to certain shenanigans which happen in highway rest stops, as this division has the largest lean muscley men.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010


Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009


Your Personal Muse posted:

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

Demian Maia vs Carlos Condit

Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen

Lloyd Boner
Oct 11, 2009

Yes officer, my name is Victoria Sonnen...berg

Your Personal Muse posted:

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

Robert Whittaker vs Jacare Souza would be a good example of this. Demian Maia vs Carlos Condit also.

Oh and Fabricio Werdum vs Alistair Overeem.

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Your Personal Muse posted:

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

fedor vs big nog, i think either of the fights that went to a decision happened in similar ways but im not sure. but at least one of them was very good. assuming u want close fights and not 1 or the other winning in minutes which is generally how fights seem to go between specialists

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


oh and my favourite fight ryo chonan vs anderson silva. although theyre both reasonably well rounded fighters

Forceholy
Nov 10, 2007

My Voice Just Echoes Off These Walls


Minotauro Nogueria vs Dave Herman, if only to see Herman eat his words on how "Jiu Jitsu doesn't work" when he's submitted.

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

I.N.R.I posted:

fedor vs big nog, i think either of the fights that went to a decision happened in similar ways but im not sure. but at least one of them was very good. assuming u want close fights and not 1 or the other winning in minutes which is generally how fights seem to go between specialists

those are both grapplers inri

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

coleman v maurice smith is prob the highest level single discipline thing youre going to find. colemans a maximum talent wrester, and maurice smith is a world class kickboxer, Dunno if "good" would describe it

Bundt Cake fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jun 27, 2017

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

Jake Ellenberger v John Howard is a great grappler v striker fight thats actually good, although both guys have some tools in other areas.

And the fight actually is amazing and you get to see both guys do a lot of damage in their area

chaleski
Apr 25, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 7 days!


Your Personal Muse posted:

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

Cro Cop vs Big Nog

Joke answer: Anderson Silva vs Demian Maia

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Bundt Cake posted:

those are both grapplers inri

well yeah but dont u think that the fight was very much striking vs grappling? at least the one i know which is where noguiera was constantly trying to submit fedor from guard while fedor was defending and trying to knock him out

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009


I.N.R.I posted:

well yeah but dont u think that the fight was very much striking vs grappling? at least the one i know which is where noguiera was constantly trying to submit fedor from guard while fedor was defending and trying to knock him out

Striking as in kickboxing, not ground and pound. If Fedor was a striker he wouldn't have taken Nog down a bunch.

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

I.N.R.I posted:

well yeah but dont u think that the fight was very much striking vs grappling? at least the one i know which is where noguiera was constantly trying to submit fedor from guard while fedor was defending and trying to knock him out

on the ground id have to agree yah. counting the landed punches by fedor is interesting. people come back with varying numbers.

its been a real long time but IIRC the other decision loss, where nog supposedly fought injured, fedor kept it standing. I remember it as kind of a lame fight because for some reason the second fight, where there was a cut from a headbutt, I thought Nog looked really sharp. Not sure why I thought that or if I was crazy, haven't seen in in ages.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


The best striking vs grappling battle was Maia vs Marquardt.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

Which are the must see Pride Events from back in the day? Got a friend who doesn't use the Internet to watch things and he wants to order them on DVD but only the good ones.

Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
.

Pride 10 is my favourite It has a bit of everything that made Pride great.

GTO
Sep 16, 2003



I don't know the numbers but the series of Sakuraba fights with various Gracies was great. Mark Kerr's various fights tell a story. Vanderei Silva and Fedor's fights of course. The GP tournaments were good too. There was some funny commentary on the early ones where they recorded the commentary months after the event - one where Bas Rutten spoiled the result of the fight he was supposedly about to call 'live'.

Most of this is remembered from watching them back then, some may not have aged well!

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


willie_dee posted:

Which are the must see Pride Events from back in the day? Got a friend who doesn't use the Internet to watch things and he wants to order them on DVD but only the good ones.

PRIDE: Bushido 9: The Tournament is a fantastic event.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002



PRIDE Final Conflict 2005 has Fedor vs Crocop and the end of the incredible middleweight GP.

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

Pocket Billiards posted:

Pride 10 is my favourite It has a bit of everything that made Pride great.

10s the first good one

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RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Who has the scarier dad, Sage Northcut or Wonderboy Thompson?

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