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Cat Mattress posted:MEC? Haha, I'd missed that. Tomahawks are indeed nuclear capable, but...uh... they're not the only alternative to anti ship and training/dummy warheads.
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Libluini posted:In other news, Germany still tries to send weapons and help to the Kurds, but there are a few slight delays. Just so it doesn't get buried on the last page.
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Tomahawk roundup time! RGM-109A Tomahawk TLAM-N Nuclear W80-0 (200kT) RGM-109B Tomahawk TASM WDU-25/B 454kg/1000lb Unitary RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM WDU-25/B 454kg/1000lb Unitary RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM WDU-36/B 311kg/685lb RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk II TLAM BLU-97/B 1.54kg submunitions RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk III TLAM BLU-97/B 1.54kg submunitions RGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM WDU-36/B 311kg/685lb RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV WDU-43/B 311kg/685lb RGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT (Multi-Mission) WDU-36/B 311kg/685lb There are also the sub launched versions as well UGM-109A Tomahawk TLAM-N UGM-109B Tomahawk TASM UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM UGM-109D Tomahawk Blk II TLAM UGM-109D Tomahawk Blk III TLAM UGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV
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Every time I search for 'YPG' on youtube I end up with a MACY'S ad with their big red star logo. I think that is kind of odd.
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Sep 24, 2014 12:53
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Wonder which one of these launches resulted in that UXO posted earlier. Shame it didn't go off. USS Arleigh Burke (DDG 51) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9034BawdX4 USS Philippine Sea (CG 58) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onexkO2cxbs 
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Sep 24, 2014 13:37
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I would like to imagine there's at least one Jordanian combatant named Khokha.
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FAUXTON posted:I would like to imagine there's at least one Jordanian combatant named Khokha. quote:Fantastic.
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Sep 24, 2014 14:07
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The the US actually pull all of their bases out of Saudi Arabia? I remember hearing some justification for the Iraq war back in 2003 that with the war they could move out of SA and into Iraq removing a major source of grievance.
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VitalSigns posted:Probably because a lot of that torture and crucifixion is committed against unpopular minorities, and probably also because if you're unemployed and desperate, joining up with the hellfire missile isn't going to provide you an income. That was sarcasm, clearly they are upsetting the populace
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Bip Roberts posted:The the US actually pull all of their bases out of Saudi Arabia? I remember hearing some justification for the Iraq war back in 2003 that with the war they could move out of SA and into Iraq removing a major source of grievance. Seems like it. Per Wikipedia: quote:On April 29, 2003, Donald Rumsfeld announced that he would be withdrawing the bulk of U.S. troops from the country, stating that the Iraq War no longer required the support. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz had earlier said that the continuing large U.S. presence in the kingdom was putting American lives in danger. The announcement came one day after the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) was shifted from Prince Sultan Air Base to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. However, defense assistance activities such as the United States Military Training Mission Saudi Arabia (USMTM) and the Office of the Program Manager, Saudi Arabian National Guard Modernization Program (OPM-SANG) at the Eskan Village complex outside of Riyadh remained in place.
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Baloogan posted:Wonder which one of these launches resulted in that UXO posted earlier. Shame it didn't go off. Surprised Erbil hasn't been added to the list yet. Only a matter of time from the sound of it.
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Bip Roberts posted:The the US actually pull all of their bases out of Saudi Arabia? I remember hearing some justification for the Iraq war back in 2003 that with the war they could move out of SA and into Iraq removing a major source of grievance. We still have USMTM going on but they're all legally noncombatants. Everything else has been moved to other places.
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Here's the DoD videos of some of yesteday's air strikes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nShvy9S4pg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tyRw8INSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bpakeG9x7o
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Brown Moses posted:Here's the DoD videos of some of yesteday's air strikes The DoD really needs to up its loving game. It's 2014. Where's the colour? Where's the HD? Where's the audio monologue?
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Exioce posted:The DoD really needs to up its loving game. It's 2014. Where's the colour? Where's the HD? Where's the audio monologue? edit: because I'm a klutz In other news though not really "middle east" but linked to ISIS the french hostage in Algeria has been beheaded apparently
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Exioce posted:The DoD really needs to up its loving game. It's 2014. Where's the colour? Where's the HD? Where's the audio monologue? Where is the sick music and the hilarously overproduced rotating logo followed with explosions? The Pentagon has already lost the media war unless it does something  They can even use Hulk Hogan song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMr6JV8FV74
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Speaking of production values, the Algerian group who kidnapped a French national and threatened to execute him if France didn't stopped it's involvement in the bombing of the Islamic State has published the execution video. What's interesting is it clearly attempts to mimic the style of the Islamic States videos, even cut and pasting certain effects from the Islamic State videos to use in their own. Unfortunately the execution itself, while not shown, is still much more brutal, and they decide to hold up his decapitated head at the end.
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Brown Moses posted:Speaking of production values, the Algerian group who kidnapped a French national and threatened to execute him if France didn't stopped it's involvement in the bombing of the Islamic State has published the execution video. Have the French even bombed something since the warehouse a few days ago?
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Looks like the UK is going to get on this sweet bombing action over the weekend. Any more news on the reported air strikes around Kobane?
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Exioce posted:The DoD really needs to up its loving game. It's 2014. Where's the colour? Where's the HD? Where's the audio monologue? Well the lack of HD and color can be explained because that video is being compressed and relayed from a drone using thermal scopes. It is odd that they don't use any audio at all, since it could be a good opportunity for messaging, but apparently that's the policy.
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Reports coming out now that ISIS is only a kilometer away from Kobane. PYD (YPG) leader Salih Muslim has been touring around appealing for help from western nations. He blamed Turkey for the weak response. Said the US and other countries didn't want to create issues with Turkey by supporting the YPG, so they just left them.
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Videos being posted online of anti-intervention protests in rebel held Houla (which you might remember from 2012's Houla Massacre) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q85gtoIgDco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK89xa-gotY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxl4XxNIWj4 At least 2 of the vetted opposition groups receiving TOWs and other fun stuff have published statements about being against air strikes that don't target the opposition, and generally the only person who is happy with the air strikes is Assad. It seems like a disaster so far.
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Brown Moses posted:Videos being posted online of anti-intervention protests in rebel held Houla (which you might remember from 2012's Houla Massacre) You mean being against airstrikes that don't target Assad. There was a statement made that was signed by 8 groups that were under the FSA umbrella who said the same thing. I really hope the people being paid to know this stuff didn't think the response would be anything else.
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FAUXTON posted:I would like to imagine there's at least one Jordanian combatant named Khokha. That was the best part of that video.
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Looks like they're going for the jugular. CNN reporting that coalition planes are striking oil installations in eastern Syria.
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Sorry if the following are dumb questions, but, in struggling to understand this mess, I’m getting most tangled up in the seemingly nonsensical web of alliances. I’m sure that’s a common feeling at the moment, but I’m particularly interested in Saudi Arabia. Is SA not, more or less, a Sunni populace under a form of Sharia law? And are ISIS not also Sunnis instituting a form of Sharia law? I’m sure that’s vastly oversimplifying, but if ISIS hypothetically were contained and given more or less free reign to stabilize as they see fit within limited borders, how different would their state look from SA?
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Decades posted:Sorry if the following are dumb questions, but, in struggling to understand this mess, I’m getting most tangled up in the seemingly nonsensical web of alliances. I’m sure that’s a common feeling at the moment, but I’m particularly interested in Saudi Arabia. Is SA not, more or less, a Sunni populace under a form of Sharia law? And are ISIS not also Sunnis instituting a form of Sharia law? I’m sure that’s vastly oversimplifying, but if ISIS hypothetically were contained and given more or less free reign to stabilize as they see fit within limited borders, how different would their state look from SA? The Saudi government is very centralized, pretty stable, and at least as far as implementing sharia goes, relatively moderate. They aren't radicalized, they don't have the same propensity for violence, and they are actually willing to engage diplomatically with other cultures. None of this is to say that Saudi is an icon of freedom and human rights but compared to the IS people they're pretty saintly.
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Decades posted:Sorry if the following are dumb questions, but, in struggling to understand this mess, I’m getting most tangled up in the seemingly nonsensical web of alliances. I’m sure that’s a common feeling at the moment, but I’m particularly interested in Saudi Arabia. Is SA not, more or less, a Sunni populace under a form of Sharia law? And are ISIS not also Sunnis instituting a form of Sharia law? I’m sure that’s vastly oversimplifying, but if ISIS hypothetically were contained and given more or less free reign to stabilize as they see fit within limited borders, how different would their state look from SA? If you let ISIS do whatever they wanted it would probably end up similar to Saudi Arabia with the Sharia law cranked up to 11. That would after the mass genocide when they established control. Saudi Arabia since the 70s has given a whole bunch of domestic concessions to radical Islamists. The only real difference is that the Saudi government isn't slaughtering civilians and declaring war on other contries.
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Last month Saudi Arabia beheaded a dude for sorcery.
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Well I certainly don't want sorcerers running amok.
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illrepute posted:Last month Saudi Arabia beheaded a dude for sorcery. Just once I want to see one of those guys go "Ha, ha, I'm actually really a sorcerer!" and start blasting those assholes away with spells.
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illrepute posted:Last month Saudi Arabia beheaded a dude for sorcery. Daniel Radcliffe adds another country to his "places never to visit" list.
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I suppose my real questions are 1) Is it as absurd as it superficially seems that SA* is the US' ally in this fight and 2) Is their participation in itself enough to discredit the idea that the intervention is humanitarian in nature? *The other allies may be no better
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Decades posted:I suppose my real questions are 1) Is it as absurd as it superficially seems that SA* is the US' ally in this fight and 2) Is their participation in itself enough to discredit the idea that the intervention is humanitarian in nature? I will answer 1). It's absurd insofar as lots of funding for ISIS and like-minded groups comes from wealthy Wahhabis within SA.
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Berke Negri posted:Who has been buying ISIS oil all this time? Lots of people. Cheap oil being run out of Turkey after a few changes of hands has been linked to sales in the EU and elsewhere.
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Berke Negri posted:Who has been buying ISIS oil all this time? Total speculation: Turkey, or businessmen in Turkey, could be one chief offender. If their lax nature towards IS border crossing is any indication of possibly lax policies in other modes. I imagine that IS would be willing to sell at lower cost just to move it, and Turkey could flip it. Is there any stance for, or against this? Because I'd be interested in knowing this too.
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Also, ya know, oppression of women, gays, assorted ethnic minorities, Saudia Arabia isn't very moderate at all.
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If you want an idea of what it is like you should view the video I posted. People have immigrated there of their own free will.
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