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Kurtofan posted:Some also chanted Allah Akbar during the minute of silence tonight. What's the deal with this? I didn't think Turkey was pro-ISIS. Why are they being huge dicks about it?
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goose fleet posted:So they kill you even if you pay the tax? Why even bring up the tax to begin with if they're just going to kill you? Its easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven remember so they show kindness by taking their money first so they are poor before they kill them.
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It's just easier to take their money first and then kill them, instead of killing them and digging around in their pockets. They're all about efficiency, you know.
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goose fleet posted:So they kill you even if you pay the tax? Why even bring up the tax to begin with if they're just going to kill you? For the dudes on the ground: makes a profit even if they have money buried somewhere. For the leadership: they get to claim they set clear terms for Christians to not wind up in a mass grave and it's not their fault if the Christians hosed up or, conceivably, if the Daesh police got a little carried away.
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Why would they care about what the world thought of their treatment of Christians?
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Megasabin posted:What's the deal with this? I didn't think Turkey was pro-ISIS. Why are they being huge dicks about it? Turkey is massively pro-Daesh. Turkey lets wannabe jihadists flow through its borders into Syria, let them come back whenever they want to cause terror attacks in Kurdish rallies, buys oil from them, and provides them with close air support by bombing the Syrian Kurds whenever they try to attack Daesh. If there is one country in the entire world that supports Daesh unreservedly, it's Turkey.
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goose fleet posted:Why would they care about what the world thought of their treatment of Christians? ISIL don't give a poo poo what others think. ISIL only cares about ISIL.
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goose fleet posted:So they kill you even if you pay the tax? Why even bring up the tax to begin with if they're just going to kill you? As it turns out, ISIS fighters are huge loving assholes  Edit: You could say that they are... Daeshbags 
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Thump! posted:As it turns out, ISIS fighters are huge loving assholes Simple in its brilliance.
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My Imaginary GF posted:ISIL don't give a poo poo what others think. ISIL only cares about ISIL. That said, people of the book is a huge loving thing in the Koran, so they care about at least making the right noises - if the world is subjugated by the Glorious Caliphate, Christians and Jews who are appropriately submissive* will be okay. * - offer not valid if secret police are in a bad mood, dislike your face, or want your television edit: also, why are you referring to them as ISIL, is this a Democratic Party habit thing Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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So uh: https://twitter.com/BosnjoBoy/status/666702541640638464 quote:Final offensive on #Raqqa town (#ISIS/#IS capital in #Syria) will be launched soon. #TwitterKurds  Looks like the SDF is looking to kick ISIL right in the balls.  Now, lest you think there aren't enough FSA members in the SDF to do something like taking Raqqa: quote:@BosnjoBoy 1. Ongoing training for around 5000 Jabhat Thuwar Raqqa members, together with 5000 Tribal group members
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People of the book thing or no, I don't think it's hard to explain why ISIS would say you could pay a tax and then kill you anyway; it's just easier for them if you're complacent until they're really ready to kill you; it's not like the farmer wants to have to suplex every lamb before he slaughters them. So disregarding the explanation of ISIS either changing it's policy or not being internally consist it could just boil down to: did you ISIS lies?
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fade5 posted:So uh: Holy gently caress. e: a friend in the air force told me something is stirring but he can't say more than that. Something "big is about to go down" in his words. Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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I seem to recall complaining a shitload during the retaking of Tikrit that once the Iraqi Shia were done fighting ISIS inside Iraq that they would roll into Syria and crush the rebels, after which you would have a situation of permanent non-state, Hezbollah-like armies refusing to hand over their guns and de facto controlling huge portions of the country. Groups of Shia jihadis that are beholden to nobody except for perhaps Iran and 100% hostile to United States interests, who may or may not decide to turn their guns on the Kurds after finishing their dust-up with the Sunnis. Don't get me wrong, gently caress ISIS, but the end result of this game is probably gonna be Assad in power, Shiite Jihadist armies doing all the horrible things to Sunnis that we complain about ISIS for, and maybe a few Sunni Jihadist armies holding territory in Idlib with a detente agreement. There's really no good outcomes. Welcome to the Middle East.
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Sergg posted:I seem to recall complaining a shitload during the retaking of Tikrit that once the Iraqi Shia were done fighting ISIS inside Iraq that they would roll into Syria and crush the rebels, after which you would have a situation of permanent non-state, Hezbollah-like armies refusing to hand over their guns and de facto controlling huge portions of the country. Groups of Shia jihadis that are beholden to nobody except for perhaps Iran and 100% hostile to United States interests, who may or may not decide to turn their guns on the Kurds after finishing their dust-up with the Sunnis. Don't get me wrong, gently caress ISIS, but the end result of this game is probably gonna be Assad in power, Shiite Jihadist armies doing all the horrible things to Sunnis that we complain about ISIS for, and maybe a few Sunni Jihadist armies holding territory in Idlib with a detente agreement. There's really no good outcomes. Welcome to the Middle East. George W. Bush was smart to invade Iraq.
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Sergg posted:I seem to recall complaining a shitload during the retaking of Tikrit that once the Iraqi Shia were done fighting ISIS inside Iraq that they would roll into Syria and crush the rebels, after which you would have a situation of permanent non-state, Hezbollah-like armies refusing to hand over their guns and de facto controlling huge portions of the country. Groups of Shia jihadis that are beholden to nobody except for perhaps Iran and 100% hostile to United States interests, who may or may not decide to turn their guns on the Kurds after finishing their dust-up with the Sunnis. Don't get me wrong, gently caress ISIS, but the end result of this game is probably gonna be Assad in power, Shiite Jihadist armies doing all the horrible things to Sunnis that we complain about ISIS for, and maybe a few Sunni Jihadist armies holding territory in Idlib with a detente agreement. There's really no good outcomes. Welcome to the Middle East. Point of order, they've moved into Syria well before they were done with ISIS in Iraq.
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Sort of on topic: how do you distinguish between a refugee and a migrant? I'm getting into a debate with a friend, who I generally respect, who is insisting that all these refugees fleeing to Europe are not strictly refugees, because part of the reason they're going to Europe (and Germany in particular) and not somewhere closer is for economic opportunity and a better life, rather than just fleeing violence and persecution. Part of me is like so what, good for them, but I'm not sure that's really the right argument here. edit: This is essentially what I'm getting at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11883027/What-is-the-difference-between-a-refugee-a-migrant-and-an-asylum-seeker.html posted:More importantly, it has raised the question of whether a refugee can, despite what the UN says, also be a migrant. Xandu fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 02:48
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Bait and Swatch posted:Simple in its brilliance. I first heard it from the pepper guy who hid out in the pepper field at the start of the Kobani defense. Man, they've come a long way.
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There is a lot of talk lately about anti-kafir sentiment in Muslim communties. I'm looking for a good source of information on it. This, it turns out, is exceedingly difficult. The only academic sources I can find are published by controversial zionist professors. Broadly, I get the impression that there are problems with anti-kafir ideas in places like Pakistan, in the same way racism is a problem in Australia. However, this is based only on tiny snippets of hard information from a billion problematic sources. Can anyone provide a source, with empirical backing, preferably written by someone from a Muslim culture?
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Sergg posted:I seem to recall complaining a shitload during the retaking of Tikrit that once the Iraqi Shia were done fighting ISIS inside Iraq that they would roll into Syria and crush the rebels, after which you would have a situation of permanent non-state, Hezbollah-like armies refusing to hand over their guns and de facto controlling huge portions of the country. Groups of Shia jihadis that are beholden to nobody except for perhaps Iran and 100% hostile to United States interests, who may or may not decide to turn their guns on the Kurds after finishing their dust-up with the Sunnis. Wasn't this the idea with the NDF (although less sectarian in nature)? An Iran-established paramilitary that would be loyal to Assad (and Iran) in case the SAA went totally tits up? I remember hearing something about there being two factions - one that wanted the NDF to move closer to the SAA as a sort of light infantry auxilliary, and one that wanted them to be seperate so as to achieve what you describe.
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farraday posted:Point of order, they've moved into Syria well before they were done with ISIS in Iraq. Yeah the moment they felt like they had the strategic upper hand they shifted resources over to Syria. I mean, I can't blame them, it's the smart play. Assad is very tenuously holding onto power but with the Russian and Iranian intervention he is building up a lot of momentum and long-term he needs proxies that can garrison the Sunni portions in the East of the country because he likely won't have enough Alawite manpower to do it. I'm sure he'd be OK with having a Hezbollah-like group or a smattering of them 'keeping order' in the East as long as the oil and gas keeps flowing. Radio Prune posted:Wasn't this the idea with the NDF (although less sectarian in nature)? An Iran-established paramilitary that would be loyal to Assad (and Iran) in case the SAA went totally tits up? I remember hearing something about there being two factions - one that wanted the NDF to move closer to the SAA as a sort of light infantry auxilliary, and one that wanted them to be seperate so as to achieve what you describe. Yeah but the NDF ended up being essentially filled with Alawites and other Shia the real problem here is manpower.
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quote:U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Tuesday the United States is starting an operation with Turkey to finish securing the northern Syrian border, an area that Islamic State militants have used as a lucrative smuggling route. http://www.newsweek.com/kerry-us-and-turkey-trying-secure-syrias-northern-border-395682
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Count Roland posted:http://www.newsweek.com/kerry-us-and-turkey-trying-secure-syrias-northern-border-395682 I hope this works, but I'm skeptical. Even a few months ago it was relatively trivial to cross the border, and it's not like no one was aware of what ISIS was doing.
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Xandu posted:Sort of on topic: how do you distinguish between a refugee and a migrant? I'm getting into a debate with a friend, who I generally respect, who is insisting that all these refugees fleeing to Europe are not strictly refugees, because part of the reason they're going to Europe (and Germany in particular) and not somewhere closer is for economic opportunity and a better life, rather than just fleeing violence and persecution. Part of me is like so what, good for them, but I'm not sure that's really the right argument here. "Refugee" is technically someone fleeing for his life - there is a demonstrable threat that has forced him to leave his home country for some place safer. Like a Shia family in a town that has been overrun by Sunni militants (or vice versa) and they had to run away to avoid being ethnically cleansed. Refugees get special treatment, and can't be deported if they can show their lives would be endangered by returning to their homeland. Migrants are people under no immediate violent threat, but are moving elsewhere purely for better economic prospects. They are subject to quotas and can be freely deported if they don't follow proper procedures or break the law in their new country. All refugees are migrants, but not all migrants are refugees.
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Xandu posted:I hope this works, but I'm skeptical. Even a few months ago it was relatively trivial to cross the border, and it's not like no one was aware of what ISIS was doing. It all depends on Turkey. The "core of rebels, who number less than 60" aren't going to change much, regardless of what equipment they have. I have a very hard time believing that Turkey is totally unable to secure its own border given whats been going on for years now. This seems like an excuse to implement the "safe zone" strategy which was originally devised to deny territory to Assad. Of course I don't think the rebels alone can achieve this, so will the Turks be sending ground forces, or what here? This is all getting pretty wack, I gotta say. To the posts above that say something big is coming, I believe it. If you're going to discuss a ceasefire, why you gotta consolidate territory first! 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:edit: also, why are you referring to them as ISIL, is this a Democratic Party habit thing Having seen his posts in the RWM thread, I am dubious that MIGF would consider himself a Democrat. Or maybe he's just good at playing devil's advocate / trolling goons. To answer your question, referring to them as ISIL rather than ISIS is still common in certain circles, such as the military intelligence community and certain portions of the international relations community. E: Forgot to add that the area they call al Sham we call the Levant. It's basically retaining a westernization (though the term is dated) of their name. Bait and Swatch fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Everywhere in Japan they are referred to as ISIL, I think cause of this http://toyota.jp/isis/
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Xandu posted:Sort of on topic: how do you distinguish between a refugee and a migrant? I'm getting into a debate with a friend, who I generally respect, who is insisting that all these refugees fleeing to Europe are not strictly refugees, because part of the reason they're going to Europe (and Germany in particular) and not somewhere closer is for economic opportunity and a better life, rather than just fleeing violence and persecution. Part of me is like so what, good for them, but I'm not sure that's really the right argument here. A refugee is someone who goes anywhere else to escape troubles in their nation of origin. A migrant is someone who goes to a specific nation to settle for economic reasons.
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Xandu posted:Sort of on topic: how do you distinguish between a refugee and a migrant? I'm getting into a debate with a friend, who I generally respect, who is insisting that all these refugees fleeing to Europe are not strictly refugees, because part of the reason they're going to Europe (and Germany in particular) and not somewhere closer is for economic opportunity and a better life, rather than just fleeing violence and persecution. Part of me is like so what, good for them, but I'm not sure that's really the right argument here. This seems to me akin to saying that someone fired from a professional / career job shouldn't count as unemployed because they're looking in their field instead of snapping up the first available fast food job or w/e. If someone has left their home because of violence and persecution, and has yet to settle anywhere, they are certainly refugees even if the opportunity to settle somewhere else (crawling with other impoverished refugees and little possibility of making a life) was already open to them.
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Bait and Swatch posted:Having seen his posts in the RWM thread, I am dubious that MIGF would consider himself a Democrat. Or maybe he's just good at playing devil's advocate / trolling goons. I for one prefer ISIL to ISIS because I don't like profaning a perfectly respectable goddess.
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Muscle Tracer posted:This seems to me akin to saying that someone fired from a professional / career job shouldn't count as unemployed because they're looking in their field instead of snapping up the first available fast food job or w/e. If someone has left their home because of violence and persecution, and has yet to settle anywhere, they are certainly refugees even if the opportunity to settle somewhere else (crawling with other impoverished refugees and little possibility of making a life) was already open to them. Yeah I think that's fair.
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What are some of the most ridiculous (credible) Gaddafi stories out there? I know of the translator fainting at the UN, the throwing of papers at the UN, and the Condie scrapbook, but I can't remember any more and I know there were a few. Anybody help?
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Bait and Swatch posted:Having seen his posts in the RWM thread, I am dubious that MIGF would consider himself a Democrat. Or maybe he's just good at playing devil's advocate / trolling goons. Oh, I totally support ISIL>ISIS, but Daesh>ISIL, even if only because it annoys the assholes more. If MIGF does not consider himself a Democrat, I will eat my hat, and I like my hat. His entire persona, even if he exaggerates it at times, is that of a Chicago Democratic functionary who is using SA as a practice and/or testing ground.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:What are some of the most ridiculous (credible) Gaddafi stories out there? I know of the translator fainting at the UN, the throwing of papers at the UN, and the Condie scrapbook, but I can't remember any more and I know there were a few. Anybody help? There was that time he lost 1/2 of his airforce in Chad.
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sparatuvs posted:There was that time he lost 1/2 of his airforce in Chad. The Toyota War is somewhere between a cautionary tale and a hilarious anecdote.
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Bait and Swatch posted:Multiple reports of a shootout during a police sweep of a Paris suburb. At least they're being prematurely detected and... interacted with.
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Bait and Swatch posted:Multiple reports of a shootout during a police sweep of a Paris suburb. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-police-st-denis-shootout-hunt-for-ninth-attacker
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Bait and Swatch posted:Multiple reports of a shootout during a police sweep of a Paris suburb. Just saw this on gawker: http://gawker.com/heavy-gunfire-reported-in-paris-suburb-as-police-search-1743194599 There's some videos on there. Sounds like some heavy firefights going on.
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