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Thanks for the thread guys, some pretty awesome contributions here, will keep me entertained for a fair while! I've very varied music tastes, so its great to hear some of this stuff that I wouldn't normally come across. Thanks! :-)
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Quirk posted:Becuase it's a dead genre of children who like everything related to the music more than music itself. Drama is staple now just like privileged bro fucks with drum machines angry they have nothing to be angry about. Hey bud, I remember you had some really good industrial music you made online. Can you link me again?
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Jul 31, 2012 03:18
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There's a new interview with Andy from Combichrist. 1. They're about to start working on a new album 2. There are a couple of projects in the works. 3. A lot about the adversary thingie at kinetik. quote:...people should know what they’re talking about before they make a statement. The rebel flag was the State flag of Georgia until 2001, it’s not just a civil war thing. It was a State flag until 11 years ago, it’s very recent.
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Aug 1, 2012 22:46
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It's ridiculous to see these guys claiming they're trying to be provocative and make people think when in interviews it's so obvious that all they think in are cliches and imagery from commercial entertainment.
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Aug 1, 2012 23:23
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"It's not just a civil war thing" Yeah it's also a 100-years-later-still-systemically-denying-civil-rights thing! What a gigantic shithead.
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Aug 1, 2012 23:24
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quote:...people should know what they’re talking about before they make a statement. The rebel flag was the State flag of Georgia until 2001, it’s not just a civil war thing. It was a State flag until 11 years ago, it’s very recent. A Swedish guy trying to explain American iconography to us. Okay. Does it not occur to him that it was the state flag of Georgia (and is still flown above the South Carolina state capitol) because of the Civil War?
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Aug 1, 2012 23:37
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What a total cock. Any goodwill generated after the Kinetik presentation just completely evaporated.
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Aug 2, 2012 06:41
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This is ridiculous. At Kinetik he was all like "Oooh yeah about that, I've been trying to tone it down a bit recently and it's just a character, you know  " and now it's like he's gone full-on l'esprit de l'escalier mode and looked around on Google to see if there's something he can use to defend himself.
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Aug 2, 2012 06:51
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:This is ridiculous. At Kinetik he was all like "Oooh yeah about that, I've been trying to tone it down a bit recently and it's just a character, you know In his defense, he didn't say that at Kinetik: http://www.idieyoudie.com/2012/05/kinetik-update-2012-ad%C2%B7ver%C2%B7sarys-performance/ He said that people take the character too seriously and that he has grown bored of it. At no point did he say that Adversary was right: quote:I have nothing to say in my defense for what I’ve done, I don’t feel like I should have to defend myself. While I don't see his use of the flag as wrong, I do think his comments on Georgia were... odd.
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Aug 2, 2012 12:37
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LabyaMynora posted:A Swedish guy trying to explain American iconography to us. Okay.
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Aug 2, 2012 12:56
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Non Serviam posted:He said that people take the character too seriously and that he has grown bored of it. At no point did he say that Adversary was right Well, he said it to me backstage. But I guess that doesn't play as well in interviews.
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Aug 2, 2012 14:38
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Non Serviam posted:In his defense, he didn't say that at Kinetik: http://www.idieyoudie.com/2012/05/kinetik-update-2012-ad%C2%B7ver%C2%B7sarys-performance/ Andy posted:I think it’s really cool. That’s what he thinks and I think he should be allowed to say so. It’s a good thing, there’s nothing negative about what he’s doing, obviously. I totally agree about bands like Nachtmahr as well, obviously using symbolism of something that is extraordinarily negative. He also said multiple times that he had nothing bad to say, but in the recent interview he claimed it was entirely for personal publicity. quote:While I don't see his use of the flag as wrong, I do think his comments on Georgia were... odd.
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Aug 2, 2012 14:44
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Twiin posted:Well, he said it to me backstage. But I guess that doesn't play as well in interviews. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's the same thing with Faderheard and Nachtmahr... "Oh, by the way, he totally is a nazi because he told me stuff 3 years ago, but I'm only saying it now!" het posted:I think the word you're looking for is "stupid". Though I also don't see how you can say "I don't see his use of the flag as wrong" so I guess I don't get where you're coming from. I think it's odd that he chose Georgia, of all things, instead of saying the easiest defense of all, namely that it has been used in many occasions not as a symbol of racism, not only in the state of Georgia, but also in things like the Dukes of Hazzard, the logo of Lynyrd Skynnyrd, Dimebag Darrel's Guitar and Jon Schaeffer's bandana, to name but a few. As to why I don't see it as wrong is because, within the context, it's the least important thing. I mean, do you really look at that picture and think that the t-shirt is the most important thing? Did you miss the blood and the chainsaws? Some people just want to feel offended.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:04
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If your defense is "I'm not using it as a symbol of killing people to preserve slavery, I'm using it because of [thing]", then you need to ask why [thing] and killing people to preserve slavery use the same symbol.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:20
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Non Serviam posted:Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's the same thing with Faderheard and Nachtmahr... "Oh, by the way, he totally is a nazi because he told me stuff 3 years ago, but I'm only saying it now!" I said it then, too. And there were a ton of people backstage. And it wasn't an extraordinary claim at the time, considering his interview. Non Serviam posted:As to why I don't see it as wrong is because, within the context, it's the least important thing. I mean, do you really look at that picture and think that the t-shirt is the most important thing? Did you miss the blood and the chainsaws? Some people just want to feel offended. I didn't miss the blood and chainsaws, but none of my family were murdered by Japanese schoolgirls with chainsaws. Some of my family were enslaved under the Confederate flag, though. So we have different priorities, I guess. Twiin fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Aug 2, 2012 |
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Aug 2, 2012 16:25
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Every symbol, from the Cross (the Crusades), to the Crescent Moon (9/11, the Taliban) and the hammer and sickle (USSR, Germany, North Korea and Cuba, to name a few) has the potential to insult somebody. I'm sorry for your family, but if we start arguing about every symbol that is associated with negative things we'll end up with nothing. EDIT: Just in case, I'm not from the US, I own no Confederate or Nazi clothes nor do I plan to get any.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:33
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Non Serviam posted:Every symbol, from the Cross (the Crusades), to the Crescent Moon (9/11, the Taliban) and the hammer and sickle (USSR, Germany, North Korea and Cuba, to name a few) has the potential to insult somebody. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I suspect. Comparing the cross and crescent -- symbols so old that no one agrees when they were first used -- to the flag of the Confederate States of America is myopic to the point of absurdity. And the confederate flag is far from the biggest use of symbolism steeped in racial violence that the industrial scene has to contend with, anyway.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:45
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Non Serviam posted:Every symbol, from the Cross (the Crusades), to the Crescent Moon (9/11, the Taliban) and the hammer and sickle (USSR, Germany, North Korea and Cuba, to name a few) has the potential to insult somebody.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:50
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Twiin posted:We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I suspect. Comparing the cross and crescent -- symbols so old that no one agrees when they were first used -- to the flag of the Confederate States of America is myopic to the point of absurdity. Since you don't want to refer to religion, the case of the hammer and sickle is much easier. About 100 million people were killed as a direct result of communism and many more were enslaved by it; yet nobody raises the alarm when we see Rage Against the Machine using Che Guevara images or when bands use DDR uniforms. I don't want to continue derailing the thread and, I agree, we'll have to agree with the fact that we will disagree on this.
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Aug 2, 2012 19:38
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Non Serviam posted:Since you don't want to refer to religion, the case of the hammer and sickle is much easier. About 100 million people were killed as a direct result of communism and many more were enslaved by it; yet nobody raises the alarm when we see Rage Against the Machine using Che Guevara images or when bands use DDR uniforms. I'm not pro-communism but at least it's an ideology that started with the idea of making people's lives better. Yeah, it spun way out of control from what Karl Marx believed in, but at least the root of the idea was meant to be positive. The Confederate States of America seceded from the union to defend landowner's rights to own black people as slaves and treat them as property. There's no positive core to it's founding. There's no reason to celebrate the confederate flag unless you are for the oppression of black americans. Even when supposedly "legit" groups and organizations use it today, there's a bit of wink-wink nudge-nudge about it.
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Aug 3, 2012 01:46
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Non Serviam posted:Since you don't want to refer to religion, the case of the hammer and sickle is much easier. About 100 million people were killed as a direct result of communism and many more were enslaved by it; yet nobody raises the alarm when we see Rage Against the Machine using Che Guevara images or when bands use DDR uniforms. Can't make an omelette without killing a couple million Kulaks.  Also the hammer and sickle was, and is, more of a general communist symbol used by everyone from hardcore authoritarian Stalinists to libertarian Council-Communists and everything in between. The Confederate flag is a really specific symbol of racism and slavery. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Aug 3, 2012 |
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Aug 3, 2012 02:56
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LabyaMynora posted:I'm not pro-communism but at least it's an ideology that started with the idea of making people's lives better. Yeah, it spun way out of control from what Karl Marx believed in, but at least the root of the idea was meant to be positive. Though I understand the general point. A communist symbol is a lot less shocking to me than a Dixie flag. I'm not sure why it is, and I think that maybe I should treat communist symbols as a bad thing. But my differential treatment might might come from possibly having some some sympathies for communism that I don't for fascism or Southern nationalism. This is why I like industrial music, by the way. You can't have discussions like this about indie rock.
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Aug 4, 2012 06:47
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Yeah but the Communist and Socialist parties are the most popular parties and organizations in the world, and for the most part the hammer and sickle represent a form of empowerment and liberation for people who are downtrodden or oppressed. While Europeans may have thought fascism was a good thing, they knew what fascism was, and accepted it despite that. Fascism (according to Mussolini's "What Is Fascism?") specifically rejected workers' power, democracy, and was very nationalistic as well as expansionist. This isn't just how the 'theory' of fascism played out when actually put into practice, this is specifically what it was meant to be from the beginning. I have no ideological qualms with not being offended by a hammer and sickle, simply because it stands for a general liberation for the masses (whether attainable or not); while images like the Confederate flag and the Swastika, while possibly holding special meaning for the (white) people who wave it, still represent racism, slavery, and genocide.
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Zaiquiri posted:Yeah but the Communist and Socialist parties are the most popular parties and organizations in the world, and for the most part the hammer and sickle represent a form of empowerment and liberation for people who are downtrodden or oppressed. While Europeans may have thought fascism was a good thing, they knew what fascism was, and accepted it despite that. Fascism (according to Mussolini's "What Is Fascism?") specifically rejected workers' power, democracy, and was very nationalistic as well as expansionist. This isn't just how the 'theory' of fascism played out when actually put into practice, this is specifically what it was meant to be from the beginning. I have no ideological qualms with not being offended by a hammer and sickle, simply because it stands for a general liberation for the masses (whether attainable or not); while images like the Confederate flag and the Swastika, while possibly holding special meaning for the (white) people who wave it, still represent racism, slavery, and genocide. I didn't want to continue with this topic, but since I have to post something else I might as well go for it: 1. No, they represent class struggle and, as 100 million dead prove, they represent a genocidal ideology. You can't judge things by their theory, but by their practice. Nazism and Fascism also looked for the "liberation of the masses" and, just like marxism, had very specific "masses" it wanted to liberate and other specific "masses" it wanted to enslave. 2. Fascism and Nazism were, in the eyes of their proponents, "good things". You're making a moral judgement as to how "they must have known it was bad", even though that's obviously not the case. These people really thought that Nazism and Fascism were going to be good for them. They were, clearly, wrong, but history is not made up of Disney villains who do evil for the sake of evil. 3. While I agree that the swastika is, clearly, an ideological symbol, I don't think that the Confederate flag falls in the same group. Chances are most people who use it have no ideological connection with racism or slavery. Aufzug Taube! posted:This is why I like industrial music, by the way. You can't have discussions like this about indie rock. A new interview with Nachtmahr was posted. He dodged the Faderhead question... http://www.metalblast.net/2012/08/nachtmahr-interview/
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Aug 6, 2012 13:22
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Non Serviam posted:I don't want to continue derailing the thread No lets derail more about how hundreds of different symbols can be interpreted as offensive to many different people around the world in different countries at different time points in the history of humanity. OR just to keep on this stupidly dodgy topic, that people find the confederate flag supports racism against black people.
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Aug 6, 2012 16:30
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How about we all listen to the Icon of Coil track instead!
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Aug 6, 2012 16:53
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All this edgy bullshit regardless if it's sinscere, in charecter or what the gently caress ever, it's just all old-hat recycled boring as motherfuck. None of this has any real spirit behind it, there's no personality, these people took cliff notes just to get chicks and piss off dad. I concede I'm not really an "industrial" fan because I'm a rock guy and also liked the actual new-ground breaking industrial stuff from when people listened to records.Doctor Claw posted:Hey bud, I remember you had some really good industrial music you made online. Can you link me again? Sure, have a promo thing and some tunes: http://youtu.be/uNv5RQRKOaU http://youtu.be/xJ46giSZV0I You think I should start a kickstart for this or would that be too shameful?
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Aug 6, 2012 20:48
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Put some tracks on bandcamp, I'd buy it (because it sounds pretty good).
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Aug 7, 2012 06:14
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Apparently the new AirMech soundtrack by Front Line Assembly is finished and Leeb says it's one of his favorite works thus far. They're also starting the production of the next FLA album now, and Leeb posted:The plan is to ditch the guitars, go back to the roots and make hard modern EBM style music, but with a twist.  Excited about the electronics, not excited about the "modern EBM" part - although I do think Leeb should be able to make it interesting. Personally I just want another Civilization because it is the Best Album.Quirk posted:You think I should start a kickstart for this or would that be too shameful? Why would it be shameful? Do it if you think it'd help you.
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Aug 11, 2012 06:22
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:
Agreed. While definitely not their hardest or most experimental.. it did have some of their best production and melody. I'd love to hear something like that, except maybe a tad darker. Just not EBM or something predictable.
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Aug 11, 2012 16:06
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I gotta move across Canada, so I'm selling stuff. Is it kosher for me to post a link to this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3500464 ?? If not, uh, Dessau rules!
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somethingwicked posted:How about we all listen to the Icon of Coil track instead! I'm kind of in two minds about this. On the one hand, I've loved Icon of Coil for over a decade (note to self: gently caress, I feel old) On the other hand, things have changed since they last released an album and parts of this somewhat remind me of Faderhead, which isn't a good thing. Although in a club, I'd enjoy dancing to it regardless.
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:Apparently the new AirMech soundtrack by Front Line Assembly is finished and Leeb says it's one of his favorite works thus far. They're also starting the production of the next FLA album now, and Oh thank god for that. IED was the most disappointing thing I've ever experienced in my whole life. In other potentially disappointing event news: INFEST IN A FEW DAYS 
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Furret Basket posted:In other potentially disappointing event news: INFEST IN A FEW DAYS FUUUUCK Y- Well okay yeah maybe. But there's at least five bands that I really want to see! (well okay, exactly five bands that I want to see) But also some DJs who are not the usual local ones so might in theory play some tracks I've not heard in a club like a hundred times. And curry. [insert something about THE SCENE]
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Welp. I was taking a friend to Infest but he's got an ear infection so he can't make it. Instead I'm taking  my mum. This is gonna be interesting.
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Furret Basket posted:Welp. I was taking a friend to Infest but he's got an ear infection so he can't make it. Is she into EBM?
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Aug 22, 2012 12:46
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I took her to a Grendel gig once, she didn't think much of them but really liked Modulate who were supporting. It shouldn't be too bad. I'm just worried that she wont be able to manage the whole weekend. Poor mummy is getting old. [edit] Anyway, if anyone wants to say hi during the weekend I'll be the girl with the non-synthetic green hair walking around with a "normal" looking 49 year old. Babby Sathanas fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Aug 22, 2012 |
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Furret Basket posted:Anyway, if anyone wants to say hi during the weekend I'll be the girl with the non-synthetic green hair walking around with a "normal" looking 49 year old. I'll be the morbidly obese greasy cheeto-smeared brony in a fedora, goatse t-shirt and utilikilt who runs up to you shouting incredibly offensive internet slogans and asking about stairs. (Okay, I don't look like that and won't say those things, but I'll say hi if I see you)
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So uh, I saw Covenant tonight. The Breakup opened. I'm not familiar with them, but while they were really uneven, I think they have potential. Two chicks, one guy. The guy clearly does the programming, but the women seemed talented enough and at the very least were really into it. Not just eye-candy. One played a guitar occasionally which I wish was mixed higher. Their best songs were the ones that the woman singing was most dynamic on. The middle of their set was just sort of dull. Covenant started out so strong. But it started wearing down, and Eskil had to go backstage for whatever reason at one point while Daniel Myer and the other guy (not Joakim) awkwardly played rave tunes. They "went back to the archives" and played a couple of tracks from Dreams of a Cryotank. I didn't know the first one off-hand (not Theramin), but the other was Edge of Dawn. They played Stalker from Sequencer. They played Bullet, Call the Ships to Port and We Stand Alone from Northern Light (would loving kill to hear Monochrome one day), and several tracks from Skyshaper and Modern Ruin. For the encore they played Tension from Europa, and that was the only track from that album! They didn't play anything from USM, including Dead Stars! I don't give a poo poo about Dead Stars per se. It's a great song, but they have such a fantastic repertoire. I just thought it was a strange thing to omit.
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Everytime I've seen Covenant they miss at least one track that you would expect to be a core part of the setlist and piss off a large percentage of punters.
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