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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

rabidsquid posted:

also fighting that mini nemesis with jakes wrestling moves is absolutely awesome, and he was a memorable boss fight at the end of that first chapter. plus the fight finisher is a callback to the first fight


kind of funny what happens to RE games when you apply the criticisms of 6 to the earlier ones

There is a noticeable change from 1-3 and 4-6

The first three just use the story as an excuse for a survival horror game while 4-6 actually try and have plots.

To mixed success

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Caidin
Oct 28, 2011


Nemesis is your wily game long antagonist so him being a climatic fight you need to beat to get outta town makes sense, much like Birkin and to an extent Mr. X.
a gaint monster

Chris's driving motivation and villain in 6 was Carla but she died early so heres a giant skeleton thing that will destroy the world if nobody gets it. It's kinda weak.

Ryoga
Sep 10, 2003
Eternally Lost

I have always been a RE6 defender and I will agree that it isn't for everyone but to this day I cannot see how someone could like 5 but hate 6. I straight out could not stand 5 for a reason I still can't quite pinpoint, but 6 hit everything just right for me. I loved the fact that each character had unique gameplay mechanics while also not punishing you for using the AI as a partner (I don't think I ever saw he AI die let alone take damage and they don't use up your resources either). Combat is fast paced and encourages you on mixing up your approach with both melee and ranged options (Headshots do the most single hit damage, but you can get way more total damage by doing an arm/shoulder shot melee combo), the dodge/parry system is very rewarding and the freedom of your character's movement is the highest it has been in the series ever.

Sure Chris got to fist fight a boulder, but Jake could do this.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me



RE5 has problems, but it's mostly trying to be one thing, not three. It's pacing felt better at any given time, and it kept its systems light and intuitive, even if they were still a bit clunky. RE6 has some depth, but does a bad job of teaching a lot of its mechanics because it's in too much of a big drat hurry to get to the climactic action and is afraid to slow down in a well paced way.

To be fair, i haven't played RE6 since it came out but I've replayed RE5 fairly recently and it holds up, especially if you're co-oping at home with someone. Does RE6 do split-screen co-op? If my son and I could go through it together like we did RE5, I might consider a revisit.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

RE5 is fundamentally just 4 but a little more refined gameplay wise.

If you liked 4 I canít see how you would dislike 5. Unless you just like the story of 4 which some do I guess

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Yeah 5 is bad to me for a few reasons, especially after RE4, but it's still a well made, and in some spots excellently made game.


CharlestheHammer posted:

RE5 is fundamentally just 4 but a little more refined gameplay wise.

If you liked 4 I can’t see how you would dislike 5. Unless you just like the story of 4 which some do I guess

I'm in that camp honestly. 5's story didn't really grab me as much. You can feel how it got a little fractured from the decision to replace Jill with Sheva. Sheva herself was cool too though, they should have her pop up again at some point. I think part of is it that while 4 is a long game it keeps throwing weird new poo poo at you that's still related to what's going on, 5 feels padded in a few spots.

Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 29, 2020

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me



Have a Revelations game where instead of Jill and Chris, it's Sheva and Carlos.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010





CharlestheHammer posted:

RE5 is fundamentally just 4 but a little more refined gameplay wise.

If you liked 4 I can’t see how you would dislike 5. Unless you just like the story of 4 which some do I guess

5 had forced co-op and the partner AI really didn't stand up on harder difficulties. Also it got rid of inventory Tetris

Caidin
Oct 28, 2011


marshmallow creep posted:

Have a Revelations game where instead of Jill and Chris, it's Sheva and Carlos.

At the end of the game they both pull off their masks and the Revelation is that they were both Billy Coen the entire time.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



marshmallow creep posted:

Have a Revelations game where instead of Jill and Chris, it's Billy Cohen and Raymond Vester.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"

Tyrant works because heís the embodiment of everything going on with Umbrella and Weskers betrayal of STARS. When you fight Tyrant, youíre fighting Wesker.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?



CharlestheHammer posted:

RE5 is fundamentally just 4 but a little more refined gameplay wise.

If you liked 4 I can’t see how you would dislike 5. Unless you just like the story of 4 which some do I guess

There are more memorable moments in RE4's first hour than there are in 5's entire campaign.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG




Convex posted:

5 had forced co-op and the partner AI really didn't stand up on harder difficulties. Also it got rid of inventory Tetris

a forced AI co-op partner that you had to manage the inventory and ammunition of and who could game over you by getting hit by instant kill attacks.

RE5 is significantly different than RE4, imagine if Ashley just slowly stole bullets from you and could run into instant death QTEs and immediately die.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011




I'm a weirdo and put like 100 hours with my friend doing co-op raid mode in rev2, they should do more of that.

EvilBlackRailgun
Jan 28, 2007




Not going to lie I was one of the people that was hyper suspicious of 4 when it was announced. Obviously it ended up being an incredible game, but looked what followed it.

Thank god for 7 and the remakes.

Sheen Sheen
Nov 18, 2002


Iím comfortable saying that RE6 is one of the worst games Iíve ever paid full price for, and Iím glad that Capcom went back to the drawing board for 7 because 6 absolutely murdered any interest I had in the franchise.

Momomo
Dec 25, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole


RE5 and 6 have the problem that they spend a lot of time focusing Chris, the guy that has been in like four games to to this point and still has no actual personality. 5 is the same as 4 on paper but the actual execution could not be more different. Of course 6 also focused on Leon, but they seemingly forgot his action movie thing wasn't meant to be played entirely straight.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

I love RE5, probably even more than 4, but I think 6 is a mess even when really trying to like it.

The most memorable part of that game for me is the infested aircraft carrier. That part seemed to really knock it out of the part for me, although I remember it being extremely short.

man nurse
Feb 17, 2014

Oh yeah, that guy is totally straight. I saw a whole thing about him on the VH1.

I enjoyed 6 more than 5, and one of the reasons was no longer having to babysit your AI partner.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.


I don't know how they struggle so much to give Chris a personality or why they keep going back to him given that he's one of the most boring people in the series.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



The Chris DLC in 7 was hilarious because of the one instances where he totally could have just cut his teammate free and walked out the door with him but instead he just stands there stoically as his friend's head is slowly sawed apart.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition


Night10194 posted:

I don't know how they struggle so much to give Chris a personality or why they keep going back to him given that he's one of the most boring people in the series.

I think a lot of it is that Chris is the "safest" protagonist in the franchise by 2000-2015 reckoning; he's a 30- to 40-something white, brown-haired, buff guy with beard stubble and anger issues. In other words, he's a solid avatar for what used to be perceived as the primary international video game demographic.

It's unusual in that while Chris does have a personality, he tends to take center stage in stories where that personality's suppressed. He's burned out at the start of RE5 and just going through the motions, and for most of RE6, he's a big ball of mood swings and untreated head trauma.

In Revelations, Code Veronica, and the flashback chapters in RE6, you kinda get a glimpse of him under ordinary circumstances, where he's a solid, dependable guy with a bad temper (i.e. getting into a fistfight with Wesker at all) and a mildly dorky sense of humor, which again means he's basically just an audience surrogate.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Wanderer posted:

I think a lot of it is that Chris is the "safest" protagonist in the franchise by 2000-2015 reckoning; he's a 30- to 40-something white, brown-haired, buff guy with beard stubble and anger issues. In other words, he's a solid avatar for what used to be perceived as the primary international video game demographic.

It's unusual in that while Chris does have a personality, he tends to take center stage in stories where that personality's suppressed. He's burned out at the start of RE5 and just going through the motions, and for most of RE6, he's a big ball of mood swings and untreated head trauma.

In Revelations, Code Veronica, and the flashback chapters in RE6, you kinda get a glimpse of him under ordinary circumstances, where he's a solid, dependable guy with a bad temper (i.e. getting into a fistfight with Wesker at all) and a mildly dorky sense of humor, which again means he's basically just an audience surrogate.

Looks like you got to the ROOT of that character!

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



I was Chris for Halloween like 20 years ago and it fuckin' ruled because my actual name is Chris Rasa and I worked for the National Park Service briefly that summer so I had all of this official green and tan vest/tag pin/uniform stuff that said Chris R. on it.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Sakurazuka posted:

There are more memorable moments in RE4's first hour than there are in 5's entire campaign.

Eh, I think 5 has a lot of memorable moments. I can't say they're all positively memorable but I'm sure as heck not going to forget the moment that I got to the tribal village and was stunned that got into any game made that century.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



ImpAtom posted:

Eh, I think 5 has a lot of memorable moments. I can't say they're all positively memorable but I'm sure as heck not going to forget the moment that I got to the tribal village and was stunned that got into any game made that century.

Correct.

GUI
Nov 5, 2005



Every main character in RE is extremely boring outside of The Memes and not even RE2's Remake could remedy this despite its best attempts at improving the franchise's writing. I doubt 3 will be any different in this regard.

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009




GUI posted:

Every main character in RE is extremely boring outside of The Memes and not even RE2's Remake could remedy this despite its best attempts at improving the franchise's writing. I doubt 3 will be any different in this regard.

Claire's characterization of being extremely pissed at being in a Resident Evil game owns actually.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Yeah Iím always confused when people call Chris boring like that is something only he does.

The only real memorable characters are the villians but even they are just interchangeablely campy

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013



Sheen Sheen posted:

Iím comfortable saying that RE6 is one of the worst games Iíve ever paid full price for, and Iím glad that Capcom went back to the drawing board for 7 because 6 absolutely murdered any interest I had in the franchise.
Yeah, I think this is ultimately the best thing to come out of RE6 (and other disasters from the time like DmC). Capcom actually realizing that their approach from the late 2000s to the mid 2010s was A Very Bad Idea is something I didn't fully expect for them to come to. Capcom going further and applying those lessons across most of the company to make successful games is even more impressive. The last few years have definitely felt like Capcom did some serious introspective dives into how they approached the market and made efforts to right the ship, and I fully appreciate any company making that very hard choice.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Ramrod XTreme

Iím playing through 4 again and trying the Red9/(soon) Mine Thrower based on yíalls recommendations. Holy crap, even the first round of upgrades to the Red9 make it badass.

Also, Iíd forgotten how weak and helpless they made Ashley, especially compared to RE2make Claire. I just finished the chapter when you and Luis have to defend the village house. After the fight, I jumped out of the second floor window and ran off to grab ammo, and Ashley was screaming for help because I ďleft herĒ upstairs.

Guess she doesnít have stairs in her house.

EvilBlackRailgun
Jan 28, 2007




Zugzwang posted:

Iím playing through 4 again and trying the Red9/(soon) Mine Thrower based on yíalls recommendations. Holy crap, even the first round of upgrades to the Red9 make it badass.

Also, Iíd forgotten how weak and helpless they made Ashley, especially compared to RE2make Claire. I just finished the chapter when you and Luis have to defend the village house. After the fight, I jumped out of the second floor window and ran off to grab ammo, and Ashley was screaming for help because I ďleft herĒ upstairs.

Guess she doesnít have stairs in her house.

Ashley is closer to a taller Sherry than a Claire

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Ashley owned because you could find places to tell her to hide in until you finished dealing with stuff. She was extremely awesome for the time, escort missions in games in general were always pretty painful in comparison.

Also when the time comes for you to play as her there's no hesitation you're just stone cold incinerating dudes.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





Chris might suck less if the past decade and a half of video games wasnít a nonstop assembly line generating identical clones of Chris Redfield but it was so he sucks big time.

Leon Kennedy is kinda like Chris except funnier and more kissable, sorry Chris, get in the trash can

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!


CharlestheHammer posted:

There is a noticeable change from 1-3 and 4-6

The first three just use the story as an excuse for a survival horror game while 4-6 actually try and have plots.
What does plot mean to you? Because I'm really not seeing this divide.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.

Jake for RE8.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?



Chris owned in RE5 for being the world's buffest man and punching a boulder into submission. Also to me its canon that he screamed "SHEVA! Gimme an erb! I need an erb! gimme an erb!" every 2 seconds.

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

re6 owns and the worse thing about these remakes is how it brought out all the halfassed fans who hate re6 for attempting to try something new. i mean sure it has its problems and its no where near as horror as people would want but its fun and i've been through it all twice and i own 2 copies of it and by god im gonna go through it again one day. i really loved the character crossover bits and how everything interconnected, enjoyed it way more when i used the recommended chapter play order, it rocked.

jake also owns.

Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Mar 30, 2020

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

resident evil owns.

its funny to think we're at a point now where its a constant and expected thing, like mario.

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Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.

I think it's more appropriate to say that if you weren't into RE4, and definitely not into RE5, then you would never be into RE6. Additionally, if you weren't playing the games (including Revelations) you wouldn't really come into the games expecting the kind of poo poo it throws at you, so it makes the experience a lot worse for the impatient.

I absolutely love RE6, but most of the 20 chapters have some problems that also get in the way of the experience and I can see how. It bears mentioning the game was rushed to release, so it lacks the polish it needed. Jake & Sherry's campaign is packed right to the rim with instant death and QTE-related nonsense. Their Chapter 2 starts so strong but then becomes a series of enthusiastically raised middle fingers. Their Chapter 4 starts off with the second worst driving sequence in the game (second to the Snowmobile earlier in Chapter 2). Their Chapter 5 is entirely terrible except for the Ustanak at the end. Up until then it's a cross-over with Chris on moving platforms featuring the only killable enemies in that romp, and before that is a gigantic vertical puzzle chamber with unkillable regenerators. Definitely the worst part of the game by far, and it's completely out of touch with all the other content. It just exists to make sure all of the cast end up fighting against lovely enemies.

Jake & Sherry's campaign is also just way too short. Every time it starts getting super good it ends. Hence why their Chapter 3 is the best in the game. I get the theme of escape and being on the run for survival but it didn't come together.

Leon Chapter 1 is terrible to start with. Both as a player for the first time and as an introduction to the game at all. You can tell they had a lot of ideas that they wanted to try early on in development that did not get smoothed out. ALL of that university walking around with the idiot you have to wait on to progress is time wasting. Up until you manage to get out into the University yard, it's also forcing you to walk, disabling controls left and right; there are so many weird constraints that do not paint a good picture of the game. Once you get past that, it's one of the most fun chapters, and Chapter 2 (the cathedral part aside) is pretty drat good. Leon Chapter 3 is also decent. Then you get to the rushed aspects of Chapter 4 and 5 - both are essentially boss rushes, and the market of Chapter 4 and the Carla chase is pure tedium.

Chris' campaign is straight action with the least amount of monotony, but it's also pretty hard. One of the most annoying design decisions in the game is how bizarrely limited certain ammo types are. You can only carry 60 assault rifle rounds in one slot but 150 HG bullets in another? Methinks they forgot an extra 0. Compared to L&H and J&S, it feels the least rushed of them, delivering what the game's all about in a consistent manner. Of course it's not immune to some cheapness (Chapter 5, the run from the Haos) but eh. Chris 4, blasting through the big aircraft carrier is well set-up, kinda ties with Jake 3 for me.

Ada's campaign feels to me fairly solid. Must have been one of the first things they had gotten through painlessly before rush hour set in.

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