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Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008


LiquidRain posted:

You have to get the cheapest phone from Virgin and then modify the IMEI of your Evo 3D to your crap phone's IMEI. That's how folks bring in their own phones to Ting.

Don't buy straight from Virgin, buy a used Samsung Intercept. It's literally garbage so they're dirt cheap but they have good IMEIs which is all that matters in this case.

Also you have to activate a phone on VMo & get some account info off it to tranfer onto your new one, which you can only do on an Android afaik.

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jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire


I just got bill-raped by ATT and I am finally getting off that loving service. I have been waiting due to not having a lot of money, but honestly a huge EVO purchase upfront is better than continuing to pay 80$ a month for the privileged of having the cheapest unlimited text message plan on ATT.

I've been putting this off since I want an actual decent phone, which looks like the EVO. However, you guys are intriguing me with the whole VM IMEI swapperoo, as I don't really like the idea of plopping down the VM-mandated list price for the phone. Is there anywhere I can read more on this?

Even on Amazon a sprint Evo 4G is only like $220. I just don't know if that $80 difference is worth the hassle, if it is a headache to do the whole IMEI thing.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008


Arcsech posted:

Don't buy straight from Virgin, buy a used Samsung Intercept. It's literally garbage so they're dirt cheap but they have good IMEIs which is all that matters in this case.

Also you have to activate a phone on VMo & get some account info off it to tranfer onto your new one, which you can only do on an Android afaik.

Wait, you can change the IMEI on your phone? So you could get a galaxy nexus and change the IMEI to a VM IMEI and use it on VM??

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008


Mister Fister posted:

Wait, you can change the IMEI on your phone? So you could get a galaxy nexus and change the IMEI to a VM IMEI and use it on VM??

In theory, although you'd have to use as Verizon or Sprint one since the radio still has to be compatible. Also, IMEI swapping is something that phone makers try pretty hard to keep you from doing, and you'd better make sure you either zero out the IMEI on the donor phone or never let it turn on it's radio ever because bad things happen when two phones with the same IMEI try to connect to the cell network at the same time and it's really obvious to the network operator so if that happens you'll get kicked off.

And like I said, you also need some info associated with your account to use data on VM, which is like 20 extra hoops to jump through and involves rooting both phones and using a bunch of utilities that you can only get from extra sketchy download sites. Oh, and pray your drivers work the first time or else that's several more hours of loving around. It's not really worth it, if you really want a GNex get a GSM one and go to TMo.

fralbjabar
Jan 26, 2007
I am a meat popscicle.


You can, it's illegal in the US and if virgin ever figures it out you'll get dropped faster than you can blink, but you can do it. However, I don't think bringing a phone not on virgin already would work very well, virgin does some sort of strange black magic with their sms/mms which apparently requires a virgin mobile specific rom to work on. If you swapped a virgin IMEI onto an evo 3d you could then simply flash the evo 3d with the stock evo v rom and it'll all work, but a nexus you'd have to figure out how to get messaging to work and you might have activation issues as well.

Edit: and beaten.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001



Guys getting a non-VM phone onto VM is extremely difficult, either borderline or fully illegal, and unlikely to work well due to the fact that VM uses different servers for data/mms than Sprint uses.

Besides all those above reasons, the whole discussion is kind of , please drop it.


jeeves posted:

I just got bill-raped by ATT and I am finally getting off that loving service. I have been waiting due to not having a lot of money, but honestly a huge EVO purchase upfront is better than continuing to pay 80$ a month for the privileged of having the cheapest unlimited text message plan on ATT.
Have you considered getting on Straight Talk, thus using AT&T's towers without giving them (much) money?

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire


Rastor posted:

Guys getting a non-VM phone onto VM is extremely difficult, either borderline or fully illegal, and unlikely to work well due to the fact that VM uses different servers for data/mms than Sprint uses.

Besides all those above reasons, the whole discussion is kind of , please drop it.
Ah, I didn't know about the legality of the procedure, but yeah it sounds like a pain if it is illegal.

quote:

Have you considered getting on Straight Talk, thus using AT&T's towers without giving them (much) money?

I'm on a lovely E71 that crashes at the drop of a hat, so I might as well just buy a new phone and saving an extra 10$ a month on VM than Straight Talk. Plus gently caress ATT forever.

Straker
Nov 10, 2005


Am I correct in assuming there is no way to make either my VM phone or prepaid TMo phone function as anything more than wifi PDAs while I'm in Canada for a week?

LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!



Straker posted:

Am I correct in assuming there is no way to make either my VM phone or prepaid TMo phone function as anything more than wifi PDAs while I'm in Canada for a week?
If your TMo phone is unlocked you could try Wind Mobile if you're in a large city, but even then it may not be optimal. :/ SIMs are $25 but they may want you to sign up for an account. Prepaid temp SIMs just don't exist here.

BlackFrost
Feb 6, 2008

Have you figured it out yet?



Nooooo I was literally JUST coming online to buy one! God drat it.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

BlackFrost posted:

Nooooo I was literally JUST coming online to buy one! God drat it.

Sucks. I got my order in Monday morning and it shipped late last night.

Straker
Nov 10, 2005


LiquidRain posted:

If your TMo phone is unlocked you could try Wind Mobile if you're in a large city, but even then it may not be optimal. :/ SIMs are $25 but they may want you to sign up for an account. Prepaid temp SIMs just don't exist here.

Yeah, I'm another OV + gnex guy... it's not that important to me, I'll be around family with phones, I probably won't even bother setting up GV for when I'm on wifi. Thanks though!

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

BlackFrost posted:

Nooooo I was literally JUST coming online to buy one! God drat it.

There's no reason not to try. I think the worst that could happen is that Samsung/Google can no longer get new shipments from the manufacturing facility. So they can probably still sell through their remaining stock. If they're still taking orders you should just go ahead; I'm sure they'd refund you if they end up being unable to fulfill it.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Well, the page says "Coming Soon" and only has a place to input your email for updates, so you can't really try ordering now.

BlackFrost
Feb 6, 2008

Have you figured it out yet?


Sir Lemming posted:

There's no reason not to try. I think the worst that could happen is that Samsung/Google can no longer get new shipments from the manufacturing facility. So they can probably still sell through their remaining stock. If they're still taking orders you should just go ahead; I'm sure they'd refund you if they end up being unable to fulfill it.

Yeah, as the guy above says, the page no longer lets you purchase it. The phone still goes for around $500 on all the other sites, too. drat it all.

I'll sign up for the email and hope for the best. I suppose I can't hate Apple for taking advantage of the patent system like that, but couldn't they have just waited like, one more week? Haha.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Yeah sorry 'bout that, I'm a bit behind on my internet this week

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

IF I JUST LICK ENOUGH BOOT LEATHER, BIG DADDY TRUMP WILL SURELY LOVE ME

Sir Lemming posted:

There's no reason not to try. I think the worst that could happen is that Samsung/Google can no longer get new shipments from the manufacturing facility. So they can probably still sell through their remaining stock. If they're still taking orders you should just go ahead; I'm sure they'd refund you if they end up being unable to fulfill it.
Google doesn't charge you until the product ships.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Ars Technica is reporting about this (they say the phone was pulled on Tuesday) and quote Google as saying it will be back in two weeks when they get Jelly Bean running on it.

Unfortunately, it also says that Google will be turning off the infringing local search function via an OTA update for all the phones out there.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

IF I JUST LICK ENOUGH BOOT LEATHER, BIG DADDY TRUMP WILL SURELY LOVE ME

Uthor posted:

Ars Technica is reporting about this (they say the phone was pulled on Tuesday) and quote Google as saying it will be back in two weeks when they get Jelly Bean running on it.

Unfortunately, it also says that Google will be turning off the infringing local search function via an OTA update for all the phones out there.
From what we know the OTA update isn't mandatory, and even if it is we have images for the current software version. For those who care this isn't going to change anything.

DEO3
Oct 25, 2005


Uthor posted:

Unfortunately, it also says that Google will be turning off the infringing local search function via an OTA update for all the phones out there.

How big of a deal is this? I was planning on ordering a Galaxy Nexus next month when my current contract is up and going with Straight Talk (thanks thread!), but since it will be my first smart phone I don't really know if 'local search function' is something that's important or not.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!


DEO3 posted:

How big of a deal is this? I was planning on ordering a Galaxy Nexus next month when my current contract is up and going with Straight Talk (thanks thread!), but since it will be my first smart phone I don't really know if 'local search function' is something that's important or not.

Unless you've got a lot of poo poo thrown around your disk space that you want to look for on a whim it's really not handy. I've never used the feature on both iPhone and Android because I usually know how to find something pretty easily. It's handy if you have a bad memory or you're searching for old poo poo on your phone.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Basically, if you search for something, it will search your files and apps in addition to the Internet. Like the guy above said, I never use it, but I am anal about keeping everything organized.

Straker
Nov 10, 2005


Well hey, my prepaid TMo gnex roamed onto Rogers just fine... 20 cents a text is reasonable for emergencies but not sure I want to find out how expensive $10/mb for data works out to in practice

moms pubis
Jul 9, 2011

by T. Mascis


Straker posted:

Well hey, my prepaid TMo gnex roamed onto Rogers just fine... 20 cents a text is reasonable for emergencies but not sure I want to find out how expensive $10/mb for data works out to in practice

$10 per megabyte? Jesus. Be sure to turn off automatic updating for all your apps. I wouldn't even try to gently caress with that.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Say 'Thank you, Ershin'.

Say it.




moms pubis posted:

$10 per megabyte? Jesus. Be sure to turn off automatic updating for all your apps. I wouldn't even try to gently caress with that.

Seriously. I've got a 1GB data add-on, and I get by on that (lots of wifi hotspots around here). Isn't there something similar you can do for your phone?

LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!



anakha posted:

Seriously. I've got a 1GB data add-on, and I get by on that (lots of wifi hotspots around here). Isn't there something similar you can do for your phone?
It amuses me that "Turn off Data Roaming" in the cell network options on Android isn't floated as the first response.

Enjoy your time here in Canada! Go check cell plan prices with a few spare minutes if you feel like having a laugh at our expense.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Straker posted:

Well hey, my prepaid TMo gnex roamed onto Rogers just fine... 20 cents a text is reasonable for emergencies but not sure I want to find out how expensive $10/mb for data works out to in practice

For that kind of rate, I would Droidwall the gently caress out of the phone and only allow google voice to go through.

When I was in china I had to do it. The carriers changed their policy once you activate a sim you can't change to a higher bandwidth plan until next cycle date. I don't know why would they do this. When I was in China 4 years ago they let you upgrade in the middle of the plan. But 4 years ago they only had edge.

tirinal
Feb 5, 2007


I don't see it mentioned in the OP, but apparently Simple Mobile is a thing? I'm visiting stateside in a bit and would like to get some mileage out of my Galaxy S3. Tmobile seems the best option unless I want to give AT&T money, which I have sworn never to do again.

Simple Mobile seems more popular than either StraightTalk or Tmobile's branded prepaid service, so I was curious what the deal was.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

tirinal posted:

I don't see it mentioned in the OP, but apparently Simple Mobile is a thing? I'm visiting stateside in a bit and would like to get some mileage out of my Galaxy S3. Tmobile seems the best option unless I want to give AT&T money, which I have sworn never to do again.

Simple Mobile seems more popular than either StraightTalk or Tmobile's branded prepaid service, so I was curious what the deal was.

Simple mobile uses T-mobile towers and basically have two different (non-blackberry) plans that come with data.
$40 Unlimited minutes/texts/"3G data"
$60 Unlimited minutes/texts/"4G data"

The $60 plan throttles you after 2 or 3 GB so it is identical to the $60 prepaid plan from T-mobile. The $40 plan throttles you the whole time to ~200kbit, which is more in the range of reasonable edge (2G) speeds, but you're not going to be downloading anything quickly. If you just want data for email and basic web (think mobile sites with nearly no images) then that would probably work, but it's not that great a deal.
If you don't want to give AT&T money you can get a straight talk SIM that operates on T-mobile towers for $45/mo that is identical to the straight talk plan for AT&T.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001



And for the record, it is mentioned in the OP.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

swarthmeister posted:

1) That's how it works in theory. I bought the SIM kit, and attempted online activation. Should've been simple, the steps aren't difficult or anything, but for some reason the page would just refresh rather than proceed when I clicked to submit the info. Anyway, I called up T-Mobile and described the problem to the phone support guys, and still managed to get on the "online only" 5GB+100min+∞text plan (probably because it was a new activation - ported the old number to T-Mobile later, after comparing coverage).

This is a month old, but I tried activating online, got a bad activation code error, called up TMobile, and they activated the phone with the $30/month plan no problem. They butchered my last name, but I updated it myself on the website.

I was a bit surprised to find Web Guard turned on for my phone by default, though. I randomly saw it while playing with the account settings. Be sure to turn that off unless you hate porn!

Straker
Nov 10, 2005


Yeah, I'm not playing with fire, leaving my phone on airplane mode and I have free wifi nearly everywhere I'll be anyway... just posted because I did get one incoming text as soon as I first turned airplane mode off, followed by an automated TMo "lol prepare to get hosed if you keep using your phone" text, and I thought it was interesting I could use it at all. Being a prepaid account, I assume they wouldn't let me go too far into debt anyway, presumably just whatever the latency is between Rogers and TMo's accounting systems? Though even an hour is scary as gently caress, that could be like $200 worth of data even at EDGE speeds if a stray update or two went through while I wasn't paying attention.

I did find it interesting that the TMo text said 20c per text sent, implying I could keep getting them for free, but not going to risk testing that, and my old OV still has my "real" number anyway, so not like I was planning on getting anything on my Nexus anyway.

And I'm actually Canadian myself, just have a green card and been living in the US for the last 4 years. It's amazing that any country has even worse phones, cell plans, cell networks etc. than the USA. but thanks liquid

Straker fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jul 7, 2012

uncola
Apr 21, 2002


I just switched from a verizon lte phone to t-mobiles $30 a month prepaid and an unlocked galaxy nexus. The plan is 100 voice/unlimited text and data up to 5gb.. I seem to be getting good coverage and hspa speeds. Is the data on this plan throttled at all or is it full speed until I hit 5gb?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001



It's all the HSPA+ you can eat until you hit the cap.

Jolo
Jun 4, 2007

ive been playing with magnuts tying to change the wold as we know it

This will sound like a really stupid question, but T-mobile's website isn't helping at all.

How do I PAY for a monthly prepaid bill? I have the $30 month plan through T-Mobile with 100 minutes. I bought a $100 a month prepaid card when I started the service a month ago and put it on the account. When it activated, $36 was taken from the $100 balance, leaving my account balance at 63.74. Instead of taking the monthly bill out today when it said my bill was due, I just don't have any data today. Going on to My T-Mobile on their website, I can see that my prepaid balance is 63.74, payment status is UNPAID, and my next charge date is blank (it was 7/8 until today). I can't find any option to pay the $30. It seems like all I can do is add more money to my account, which isn't necessary. What am I missing here?

Tremors
Aug 16, 2006

What happened to the legendary Chris Redfield, huh? What happened to you?!


Jolo posted:

This will sound like a really stupid question, but T-mobile's website isn't helping at all.

How do I PAY for a monthly prepaid bill? I have the $30 month plan through T-Mobile with 100 minutes. I bought a $100 a month prepaid card when I started the service a month ago and put it on the account. When it activated, $36 was taken from the $100 balance, leaving my account balance at 63.74. Instead of taking the monthly bill out today when it said my bill was due, I just don't have any data today. Going on to My T-Mobile on their website, I can see that my prepaid balance is 63.74, payment status is UNPAID, and my next charge date is blank (it was 7/8 until today). I can't find any option to pay the $30. It seems like all I can do is add more money to my account, which isn't necessary. What am I missing here?

I had this issue last month when my first renewal date came up. I had to call them to get it sorted out.

berzerker
Aug 18, 2004
"If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

Tremors posted:

I had this issue last month when my first renewal date came up. I had to call them to get it sorted out.

Also confusing is the statement in the terms and conditions that if you don't have 60 days' money in your account, they'll switch you to pay-as-you-go (ie not the $30 monthly plan). And yet that doesn't seem to have happened for me. Not sure how that's supposed to work.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

berzerker posted:

Also confusing is the statement in the terms and conditions that if you don't have 60 days' money in your account, they'll switch you to pay-as-you-go (ie not the $30 monthly plan). And yet that doesn't seem to have happened for me. Not sure how that's supposed to work.

My reading of that section is that if your account expires and you don't add money to renew within 60 days, it switches you to PAYG. You don't need 60 days worth of money in your account.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

Yeah seconding that you don't need 60 days worth. I add the exact $30 I need about three days before my time is up each month. I carry no extra balance on my account so 90% of the time I have the current month paid and a $0.00 balance and it's fine.

On the note of HDSPA+, I forgot how fast that poo poo is on a SGSII. I just got one off eBay and told Google to restore my apps and data. It nabbed 200mb in 5 seconds, and filled my notification bar to be about 4 pages long with the deluge of app installations.

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Jolo
Jun 4, 2007

ive been playing with magnuts tying to change the wold as we know it

How do the ten cents a minute for minutes past 100 work? Do they pull those out of your balance after each call you make with your 100 used up? These things would be clearer if there was some kind of invoice or billing documentation.

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