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Lord Dekks
Jan 24, 2005



Athropos posted:

Thinking of it Im not sure if I usually get a post with that monitor. These days hardware is so fast that that you barely have time to see anything before Windows starts loading.

I brought my system to a technician today and we tried many things.

1. We tested with another monitor and still there was no signal on DVI, but we had a signal on VGA and the computer would boot normally (went on the desktop and whatnot). So that rules my monitor out as being the culprit.

2. We then tried each individual card in another machine, and they would have the same behavior (no signal, 100% fan speed constantly).

3. We then tested a random PCI-E card in my system and that card would output DVI just fine. Which means I didnt fry my PCI ports or my motherboard somehow.

So that leaves me with two dead 680 GTXes, one of which is brand new. What the hell. I still can't imagine they're fried or had a critical hardware failure. Would it be possible it might still be software related? Something with the bios they put on these cards loving up when I tried SLI? I've been using the first 680 since June and it worked perfectly fine before trying SLI, now both are dead.

Hopefully this won't sound patronizing, and assume you probably did, but you did turn the PSU off before putting the second card in right? I ask because once I was fiddling inside my machine, had it powered off but didn't actually switch the PSU off and got a nice smell of blue smoke (although luckily everything still worked fine).

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Animal
Apr 8, 2003


Squibbles posted:

The cheap Korean IPS's doing do image scaling, so if the video card isn't doing the scaling to native resolution then the monitor won't show anything. My nvidia 570 does do scaling but as the poster above said, not all cards do. Perhaps it's a problem with the 670 not scaling?

I have a 670 and a Korean IPS. No issues showing POST. No issues ever.

Wozbo
Jul 5, 2010


Agreeing with dekks on ps issue. Sounds like you may have fried something. Or maybe it wasnt powerful enough to drive the two (I think 700 w)?

Athropos
May 4, 2004

"Skeletons are Number One! Flesh just slows you down."


To Dekks: I did unplug the system and switch the PSU off before adding the second card. But I'm actually Im starting to think I hosed up when I first started powering the cards. I'm going to copy paste what I posted in my tech support thread because it might be higly relevant and in sync with that Dekks said.

"I recently switched from a 650w modular corsair PSU to another 750w modular corsair PSU. When doing SLI, I noticed I needed to add 2 more modular PCI-E cables to power it, and I used stupidly the cables that came from my old PSU (a single 6 pin connector that goes into the PSU and splits into 2 6 pin connectors) before rectifying the situation and using the cables that came with the right PSU (2 individual 6 pin to 6 pin connectors)."



as opposed to



I think 750w is enough for SLI, these cards arent as power hungry as they seem. I might have hosed them up with this cable stuff though. Modular PSUs be damned. I'm an idiot.

Athropos fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Dec 7, 2012

DaNzA
Sep 11, 2001

:D


Grimey Drawer

Accidentally replied your other thread instead of this

You should always distribute the load on your PSU with multiple plugs instead of using a splitter and plugging it into one single port on the PSU anyway.

Also using the same cable from old psu might always be risky if they changed the pin out etc on the PSU itself. With a different pin, it means your cards will get fried as soon as you power it up.

Athropos
May 4, 2004

"Skeletons are Number One! Flesh just slows you down."


DaNzA posted:

Accidentally replied your other thread instead of this

You should always distribute the load on your PSU with multiple plugs instead of using a splitter and plugging it into one single port on the PSU anyway.

Also using the same cable from old psu might always be risky if they changed the pin out etc on the PSU itself. With a different pin, it means your cards will get fried as soon as you power it up.

It's ok, I wanted more exposure since I was pretty desperate.


I think I used not only the wrong cable, but also the wrong connector slot. The PCI-E connectors in the 750 PSU are coded blue and I used a black one. I just hope I didnt do any other damage. EVGA is offering me a RMA but I'm afraid it might happen again for some reason. I'll use the right connectors this time.

Athropos fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 7, 2012

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007






I've always loved tech demos. Even the most graphically intense production games generally use graphics techniques that were bleeding edge 5-10 years ago, and shown off in tech demos back then.

Here are some examples of older real-time tech demos that blew people's socks off when they came out, but would be pretty uninspired today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ0ycLo3PFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv8cYrGG220

Even things as recent as a few years ago aren't all that impressive any more (but still really cool):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMbFQVLhMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br3rMKApGNI

So, what's new? Well, here are a few of the best looking demos I've seen recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI1_quVr_3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXyztq_0uM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUcutZTObfM

I'd love to see some other new stuff if I may have missed, if anyone knows of anything particularly impressive.

Joink
Jan 8, 2004

What if I told you cod is no longer a fish


I find those tech demos completely inferior to something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTJrmGzpEI in every way.

Another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcbj7ksqwE

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP



You do realize that the Tech Demos are real time, don't you?

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret


Lipstick Apathy

Anyone else having issues with the GeForce Experience tool from Nvidia? It's been stuck on scanning for games since last night and I have no idea if it's doing anything at all (though presumably it's not working). I couldn't find out how to sign up for the beta so I was surprised it ran at all - is this why it's not working?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008



Joink posted:

I find those tech demos completely inferior to something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTJrmGzpEI in every way.

Another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcbj7ksqwE

And once more features are in graphics cards 64kb/4kb demos will be even crazier.

Animal
Apr 8, 2003


Rigged Death Trap posted:

You do realize that the Tech Demos are real time, don't you?

The ones he posted are, too. I think his hidden point is that they are more impressive because they are 64k tech demos. (thats the size of the whole file, impressive, but still graphically inferior)

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


Joink posted:

I find those tech demos completely inferior to something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTJrmGzpEI in every way.

Another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcbj7ksqwE

The actual exes:
Panic Room (64KiB)
Elevated (4KiB)

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Dec 7, 2012

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007






Well, if we're comparing demoscene stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFXIGHOElrE

Joink
Jan 8, 2004

What if I told you cod is no longer a fish


Don't get me wrong I love myself a good tech demo to flex my graphics card. But they rarely ever translate into "this is what future games will look like". They merely serve as a showcase of specific features new hardware have. Game engines today are more about scalability, and if the developer wishes, highend shader effects and textures.

What is becoming more popular now is modders taking the extra step to improve the graphics of their favorite games. Good examples high res texture packs and Post Process Injectors.

My current gaming past time is playing pCARS: http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnew...ity-gallery-42/ Ingame shots.
Skyrim: http://www.asot.es/2001/09/skyrim-mods.html
GTA4: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?...480297&st=32460

Guni
Mar 11, 2010


Hey goons! So I've recently built a new PC. I have a Sapphire 7870GHZ OC GPU (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...oducts_id=19778) and I'm experiencing poor (at least I think) performance in Sleeping Dogs and Saints Row 3 (the only two games I have atm, heh). I tried installing the updated drivers and I swear after I did that is when I started getting poor performance, but I'm not really sure how to fix it exactly.

For example, Sleeping Dogs used to run on high at ~60fps with some occasional dips to lowest ~50, but now on medium it runs at 60fps with somewhat frequent dips to 50fps and the occasional to 40fps. I mean I could be wrong and this is correct performance for the card and I guess that's fine, but it seems a little low to me.

If the rest of my specs matter they are:

i5 3570
H77M
8GB RAM
Also, running catalyst 12.10

Edit: monitor resolution is 1920x1080

Guni fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Dec 9, 2012

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Guni posted:

driver stuff
Try the Catalyst 12.11 Beta 11 drivers, they specifically call out improvements in Sleeping Dogs.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Dodoman posted:

Anyone else having issues with the GeForce Experience tool from Nvidia? It's been stuck on scanning for games since last night and I have no idea if it's doing anything at all (though presumably it's not working). I couldn't find out how to sign up for the beta so I was surprised it ran at all - is this why it's not working?

Mine is working fine. I just pointed manually to the steamapps folder, ea games/origin folder, and the other games you want optimized.

Although i'd like to say that in borderlands 2, fullscreen windowed is the superior option.

Guni
Mar 11, 2010


Alereon posted:

Try the Catalyst 12.11 Beta 11 drivers, they specifically call out improvements in Sleeping Dogs.

Thanks! Updating them now, what is 'CAP2'? I notice that to make Far Cry 3 better you must install it and I wonder (though I don't play it, at least yet) should I also install it?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Guni posted:

Thanks! Updating them now, what is 'CAP2'? I notice that to make Far Cry 3 better you must install it and I wonder (though I don't play it, at least yet) should I also install it?
Catalyst Application Profiles package, yes install that as well.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

Anyone have experience with buying a video card from Amazon warehouse? They currently have some EVGA cards I've been looking at on Newegg for much better prices, and generally other stuff I've gotten from the Warehouse has been as good as new. I'd assume that the EVGA warranty would apply exactly the same as if I bought a card off Newegg or regular Amazon. Right?

VVVVV--- Thanks. Sounds like something to avoid.

McCoy Pauley fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Dec 12, 2012

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

McCoy Pauley posted:

Anyone have experience with buying a video card from Amazon warehouse? They currently have some EVGA cards I've been looking at on Newegg for much better prices, and generally other stuff I've gotten from the Warehouse has been as good as new. I'd assume that the EVGA warranty would apply exactly the same as if I bought a card off Newegg or regular Amazon. Right?
No, you're buying used product just like from anywhere else. In the case of EVGA, you get the basic RMA-only warranty, not the one that applies to products purchased new.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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-RX designations carry a less than 1 year warranty depending on the card. Check that part number!

E: Who's running the GeForce experience beta software? Its basically cloud sourced "optimized" settings, but in practice they seem contradictory. For example, nvidia advertising touts TXAA support for ACIII but the recommended setting is "high". The setting high is the below TXAA .

incoherent fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Dec 12, 2012

Wozbo
Jul 5, 2010


Support != recommended?

axeil
Feb 14, 2006


Alereon posted:

Try the Catalyst 12.11 Beta 11 drivers, they specifically call out improvements in Sleeping Dogs.

Are these drivers still having issues with weird artifacts in DX9 games in the new 7xxx series? I had to go back to the 12.6 Catalysts to play Skyrim without large angry black boxes everywhere. There was a long thread in I think the D3D message board about the bug and a lot of games had it, but I haven't checked it lately.

Jan
Feb 26, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

axeil posted:

Are these drivers still having issues with weird artifacts in DX9 games in the new 7xxx series? I had to go back to the 12.6 Catalysts to play Skyrim without large angry black boxes everywhere. There was a long thread in I think the D3D message board about the bug and a lot of games had it, but I haven't checked it lately.

Is this seriously a thing?

I'm actually in the middle of support and RMA procedures with MSI for one of my 7850s because I'm getting occasional warping polygons. I have one trouble-ish test case in Skyrim where I can get it to happen reliably when wearing a certain suit of armour... Also happens in Borderlands 2, incidentally both games are DX9. And it only seems to happen when in Crossfire, or in single GPU but only with one of the GPUs.

If it was happening on both GPUs I'd tend to lay the blame on drivers, since it does seem to have started after a particular driver upgrade, but it doesn't seem to happen on one of them. I'm going to have to put the "good" one back in and double check...

Edit: I captured a Youtube of this delightful GPU experience. Note that this is actually a really pathologic video capture, like the artefacts wanted to show off for the camera or something. It's normally more subdued but definitely noticeable.

Edit 2: Welp. Put the other GPU back in, loaded my Skyrim test case, same poo poo. Hooray ATI!

Between that and the lovely driver russian roulette, I'm pretty sure this is the last time I'm using ATIs. I'd never had this much trouble with nVidias. I don't even know why I strayed from them at this point... Probably because of Fermi. But seeing as that's all over and done with...

Jan fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Dec 13, 2012

spasticColon
Sep 22, 2004

In loving memory of Donald Pleasance

Yeah I'm having issues with each of my HD7850 cards in each of my systems especially with Skyrim and Batman: Arkham City. This article here sums up the main problem I'm having even with newest beta drivers:

http://techreport.com/review/24022/...le-in-windows-8

With Skyrim I get graphical glitches and the stuttering unless I play the game in windowed mode then I just get graphical glitches.

And with that, I'll be switching back to nvidia when I upgrade again.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006


Jan posted:

Is this seriously a thing?

I'm actually in the middle of support and RMA procedures with MSI for one of my 7850s because I'm getting occasional warping polygons. I have one trouble-ish test case in Skyrim where I can get it to happen reliably when wearing a certain suit of armour... Also happens in Borderlands 2, incidentally both games are DX9. And it only seems to happen when in Crossfire, or in single GPU but only with one of the GPUs.

If it was happening on both GPUs I'd tend to lay the blame on drivers, since it does seem to have started after a particular driver upgrade, but it doesn't seem to happen on one of them. I'm going to have to put the "good" one back in and double check...

Edit: I captured a Youtube of this delightful GPU experience. Note that this is actually a really pathologic video capture, like the artefacts wanted to show off for the camera or something. It's normally more subdued but definitely noticeable.

Edit 2: Welp. Put the other GPU back in, loaded my Skyrim test case, same poo poo. Hooray ATI!

Between that and the lovely driver russian roulette, I'm pretty sure this is the last time I'm using ATIs. I'd never had this much trouble with nVidias. I don't even know why I strayed from them at this point... Probably because of Fermi. But seeing as that's all over and done with...

Yeah here's the thread, it's 29 pages long now: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=368290&page=1

bend it like baked ham
Feb 16, 2009

Fries.


Here's a quick link to a slashdot article from yesterday about latency problems in new AMD cards:

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/...-graphics-cards

The source article goes into the whole FPS vs. latency thing.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

Can anyone help me figure out the difference between two different EVGA 660 ti cards -- the 660 ti FTW Signature2 and the regular 660 ti FTW?

I'm looking at them in a comparison chart on Newegg, and the only relevant difference I detect (with my admittedly untrained eye) is that the Signature2 has a slightly faster clock and 2 fans instead of 1. I assume this is slightly better. But also, it's $20 cheaper. Am I missing something, or is the Signature2 both slightly better and cheaper?

Boten Anna
Feb 22, 2010



Jesus christ, every time I mention I go nvidia because they have good drivers with few serious problems and every ATI I've had has had obnoxious showstopping driver issues at some point I get "Gosh, this isn't 2003 anymore, Anna!" and then something like the above happens.



My 670 is still rockin' and the only issue I've had is with the old version of FFXIV crashing every few hours simply because they never bothered to QA with the 600 series because they were busy making an entirely new engine, the alpha version of which runs perfectly at max settings.

Just... ATI's drivers are bad. I hope they some day stop being bad but I haven't seen that happen yet.

Rawrbomb
Mar 11, 2011

rawrrrrr

Boten Anna posted:

Jesus christ, every time I mention I go nvidia because they have good drivers with few serious problems and every ATI I've had has had obnoxious showstopping driver issues at some point I get "Gosh, this isn't 2003 anymore, Anna!" and then something like the above happens.



My 670 is still rockin' and the only issue I've had is with the old version of FFXIV crashing every few hours simply because they never bothered to QA with the 600 series because they were busy making an entirely new engine, the alpha version of which runs perfectly at max settings.

Just... ATI's drivers are bad. I hope they some day stop being bad but I haven't seen that happen yet.

For anecdotal evidence the other way, I had 6 NVidia cards blow out in 2007-9 between me (2) my friends (4). I also had non stop crashing issues. I moved to ATi/AMD and never looked back

edit: I didn't a word.

Rawrbomb fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Dec 14, 2012

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 28, 2011



I hadn't seen this discussed here, but RadeonPro is looking pretty good as it gets developed. The current version has added the ability to force ambient occlusion (HDAO only), as well as injector-less SMAA and FXAA. Highly recommended over CCC.

Dominoes
Sep 20, 2007



I'm switching to nvidia because ATI can't get their poo poo together on vsync with multiple monitors.

vv What do you mean?

Dominoes fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Dec 14, 2012

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 28, 2011



Dominoes posted:

I'm switching to nvidia because ATI can't get their poo poo together on vsync with multiple monitors.

Funny you mention that, I don't know about multiple monitors, but RadeonPro has some frame-limiting/smoothing... thing (idk the exact setting, I'll look here in a minute) that supposedly makes micro-stutter better than SLI on two Nvidia cards.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004




The last ATI card I had was an ASUS 5850 and it was a great card that I'd have no reason to complain about whatsoever if not for the cursor corruption bug that has been going on with ATI for like a decade now

That card was apparently popular with bitcoin miners or something because I sold it after over a year on ebay and almost broke even

Ryuga Death
May 14, 2008

There's gotta be one more bell to crack


Fun Shoe

edit: wrong thread

Dominoes
Sep 20, 2007



gggiiimmmppp posted:

The last ATI card I had was an ASUS 5850 and it was a great card that I'd have no reason to complain about whatsoever if not for the cursor corruption bug that has been going on with ATI for like a decade now
Is that where the cursor will turn into staticy vertical lines? I didn't realize that was a video card glitch.

bend it like baked ham
Feb 16, 2009

Fries.


I could use some help with a system I cobbled together recently. I'm running an old 6850 hooked up to a 1080p TV. I don't have an alternate monitor I could use for testing right now.

I'm having a problem with bunch of older games (see CoD screen cap below) where as soon as the game starts the TV seems to kick into 1024x768 while the game is actually rendering in a higher resolution, the result being that you can only see the top left corner of the image.



I've tried alt-tabing into Windows and changing the desktop resolution back to 1920x1080, then going back into the game, but it just reverts back.

As far as I can tell I've disabled all image processing/scaling on the TV. This is also only a problem on games that predate HD. I've tried playing with the "enable gpu scaling" and "enable ITC processing" options in Catalyst, but no dice. Any ideas?

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kuddles
Jul 16, 2006

Like a fist wrapped in blood...

Local Resident posted:

Here's a quick link to a slashdot article from yesterday about latency problems in new AMD cards:

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/...-graphics-cards

The source article goes into the whole FPS vs. latency thing.
I was going to post that. Of course both the AMD and Nvidia fanboys are going nuts but the real point of the article is that current benchmarking comparisons of just listing the average or maximum FPS don't tell the whole story about how well a card works on particular games.

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