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Midway through the game (end of ch.3), this is how I feel about the characters; a little curious if it'll change significantly over the back half of the game:
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Oct 13, 2017 04:08
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I won't lie, the ENDING SPOILERS ending kinda bums me out. I-I just like my murder mystery games, okay? I don't need to be bullied about my hobbies. I thought with all the meta breaking, there was going to be a way to somehow let the audience/player help the heroes. instead they just stop playing, which is pretty anti-climatic. it's kinda funny because I know a decent amount of people that only play for the dating sim part.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:27
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Tired Moritz posted:I won't lie, the ENDING SPOILERS ending kinda bums me out. I-I just like my murder mystery games, okay? I don't need to be bullied about my hobbies. I thought with all the meta breaking, there was going to be a way to somehow let the audience/player help the heroes. instead they just stop playing, which is pretty anti-climatic. If you think about it, the audience does help by not watching the game
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Oct 13, 2017 04:37
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Honestly the only thing I didn't like about the ending was the Epilogue felt kind of like a cop out and it would have been more honest if they'd just killed everyone, even though I might not necessarily have liked that either but that would have been the point.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:53
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if they're gonna make another DR, they can make it about a bunch of actors doing a killing game film. then they can't accuse us of enjoying despair porn or whatever
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Oct 13, 2017 04:56
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They could always (ending spoilers) go back and do one of the numbers that they skipped over in the v3 timeline, like dr17 or dr29 or whatever.
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Oct 13, 2017 12:37
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About Kokichi I see some people here talking about how he was good all along and I'm wondering if that's a common sentiment? I didn't get that at all from him. (Mostly I thought he wanted to win it, no matter what, and correctly concluded that the only way to win is to mess with monokuma.)
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Oct 13, 2017 17:44
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I don't think he's good exactly. He seemed to know about the true nature of the world they were in from a pretty early stage and acts like it's a game accordingly. He did want to destroy the game though, much like Shuichi ultimately did.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:55
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(End game spoilers) I absolutely loved the Kokichi reveal. Turns out he was just the badguy from a Saturday morning cartoon! He may have been an rear end in a top hat, but he wasn't an outright villain - his organization had a rule against killing. He liked watching people squirm and he hated being taken advantage of. Something interesting I learned from looking up the back routes I missed: If Shiuichi lies too hard in such a way that it threatens to throw the entire investigation off track, Kokichi chimes in with the actual truth. He's a jerk but he's not suicidal.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:16
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It seems to me like exactly what Kokichi actually believes about anything, beyond the smattering of facts we have about DICE, is completely open to interpretation, and I kinda love that? And not just in that he says a bunch of totally contradictory things before writing them all off as lies, but even in the things that he actually does, the reasons he has for doing them are juuuuuust ambiguous enough that you can convincingly argue that maybe he was really trying to help everyone, or maybe he really was just being a colossal dick for his own entertainment, or maybe he really was just a pathological liar who got very, very carried away, or whatever.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:30
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spit on my clit posted:If you think about it, the audience does help by not watching the game Yeah that's exactly how I understood it. I'm pretty sure the game mentions that too at some point.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:42
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Yes I think he's very open to interpretation; though him being GOOD I though it was stretching too far. I think what we can pin down for certain is that he hated monokuma, hated being put into a killing game, and wanted to stop it by his own rules and not monokumas. Personally I enjoyed him a lot. He had one of the best VAs that I've seen in a visual novel and that alone would have sold him. But he also was probably the most enjoyable character in trials over the 3 games. I didn't enjoy him as much out of trial, but in trial he was insane. Made Togamis nonsense from the first game seem laughably amateurish.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:45
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Something I consider about Kokichi's organisation - He is, in the original translation, not the Ultimate supreme leader. That's the english affectation - specifically he is the Super High School Level Supreme Leader. High school level - of course his organisation is 10 friends who commit misdemeanors and nothing more. He may be a great supreme leader - but he will always be a child first It's like a lot of the kids - a few of them have someone that they cannot beat yet, someone playing at the professional league - Sakura and Ryoma's rivals are built into their backstory. I like that, they aren't the best in their field, period - they are the best in their field in their peer group. They are just encouraged to ignore all other aspects of who they are in order to focus entirely on their one thing to their personal detriment - remember Sakura's concept art - a couple of years before DR1 she was fairly average build, she didn't Roid Up until she joined Hope's Peak.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:50
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rear end posted:Also I'm not sure why you'd ever play any Danganronpa game with English VAs. I remember the first game's English VAs being an abomination. DR2 and V3 are decent but the Japanese VAs are an amazing improvement. Do you understand japanese? If not, how did you even go through the nonstop debates? The text is so animated that half the time I would have no idea what it's trying to say before it's already gone if I didn't have voice acting.
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Oct 14, 2017 00:32
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There's only a couple lines I found sort of hard to read in non-stop debate with the JP voices personally. You can basically just skim any without blue/orange text anyways.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:13
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I thought the english VA was really good, actually. I even warmed up to Himiko's voice.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:15
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Ibram Gaunt posted:There's only a couple lines I found sort of hard to read in non-stop debate with the JP voices personally. You can basically just skim any without blue/orange text anyways. That seems like a real bad way to play the game, but I guess if you hate dubs that much I ain't stopping you.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:16
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Himiko would sound better if it wasn't so soft
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Oct 14, 2017 03:33
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Amppelix posted:That seems like a real bad way to play the game, but I guess if you hate dubs that much I ain't stopping you. I can read fast enough that it's never been a problem
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Oct 14, 2017 03:55
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Something cool I noticed on a second watch (Entire Game Spoilers!): The Ultimate Detective lab holds 52 case files that describe various murders. And this, of course, is the 53rd Danganronpa... But I'm not sure I like the implications of the earlier cases being "only drawings" while the later ones are photos. Re: Subs/Dubs, I found that the dub greatly enhanced my experience. Hearing filthy things from Miu's mouth, Kokichi's mean-spirited comments, Himiko's zero-effort voice...I couldn't imagine the game without them. And god Gonta is so boring in Japanese.
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Oct 14, 2017 06:28
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I played the game with Japanese voices, but upon watching some Youtube videos of the English voice acting, I have to say it's not bad and Kokichi's voice actor really does knock it out of the park.
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Oct 14, 2017 07:20
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I'm enjoying this so far but I'm on the Chapter 4 trial and it's infuriating how long it's taking them to figure out the "trick" to the virtual world, something that was obvious way before the trial even started. The second psyche taxi where it expected you to give technically wrong answers like "the river ends at the chapel" and "the signboard travelled against the current" was particularly annoying. There have been times when they've taken a little while to realise something obvious before but this is by far the worst. If I have to watch the animation of this signboard floating down the river one more time. "Shuichi, you already know the secret, right?" YES. Not reading this thread properly until I've beaten the game but how can you not like Himiko's voice? Her flat but strangely insistent "It's magic" is what sold me on her character straight away. il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Oct 14, 2017 13:58
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I also vastly prefer the Japanese cos its what I'm used to, although I could be biased because I can understand it and so have never had trouble with it (granted I played the game in Japanese when it first came out anyway and let me tell you that was a hard long wait for wanting to discuss it with more people who had actually played it instead of just read spoilers/crappy summaries or badly translated streams!) But I always just kinda found japanese kids with japanese names who are japanese and come from japan speaking in american accents really awkward anyway.  As someone who couldnt stand the english voices in DR1 to the extent that the english version was unplayable to me even as a curiosity, and found the DR2 ones only slightly better, I was also pretty surprised that the voices in this game are as good as they are when I watched a stream of a playthrough. To be honest the only voice I outright dislike is Shuichi's, because it just sounds like a completely different character to me. It's nowhere near as awful as Naegi's nasally nerd voice in the english DR1 - to be honest its not the voice itself that's bad, but whenever I could hear Shuichi's voice without seeing him I'd forget it was even him that was talking, because the voice was that disconnected to the character to me. I seem to be one of the only people on this thread who genuinely liked Shuichi (he's actually tied in second place in faves for me) and I'll admit a huge part of that was his original voice. His charm just vanishes with the english voice to me, so I guess i'm not that surprised people who played it in english found him boring. To me the most distracting thing about the english version isnt the voices though, it's the fact that they're all referring to eachother by their first names. I know that's what western audiences are used to, but its still kind of jarring given some of their personalities, and I would have assumed that the average person in the games target audience is already anime-savvy enough to know that that's just part of the culture. I mean didn't they do that with Persona4? and isn't there a love hotel event where two characters get really embarassed over finally calling eachother by their first names? What did they do in this part for the english version? On the plus side they're not shortening everyone's names into nicknames (I'm still not going to get over 'Ishimaru' becoming 'Taka' in DR1...)....except for Korekiyo. Is he the only one they do this with? I was really confused how everyone was referring to him as 'Kiyo'. Do the translation team have that little faith in their audience's ability to remember Japanese names...? It's a super anime game, surely the vast majority of the audience is used to Japanese names?
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Oct 14, 2017 14:04
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Nicknames are far less prevalent in this one. Korekiyo specifically asks you to call him Kiyo rather than his full name, K1-B0 also asks that everyone just call him Keebo just for ease of use.
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Oct 14, 2017 14:08
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It took me way to long to realise that Keebo sounds very similar to the Japanese word for hope.
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Oct 14, 2017 14:16
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And no, Persona has always had the characters refer to each other by first name in English too. As for your spoilered question, they use nicknames. Sweetchi.
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Oct 14, 2017 14:17
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Anyway, I'm up to the 6th class trial and I think I'll post some of my theories about how I think things can turn out: (Spoilers up to the 6th Trial, obviously): So the fact that the flashback lights can fake memories seems like a big deal. I think it's going to be revealed that at least some of the stuff everyone has remembered isn't real. In fact... I might go as far as to say that even their memories of the previous games as history are fake and that, actually, V3 exists in a universe where the Danganronpa games exist. Shuichi and the others are playing a "real" version of those games, and that scene at the beginning of Case 6 with that kid saying he's excited about something was watching this killing game on his phone. The scenes where Shuichi was hooked up to some headset machine haven't been explained yet. I'm feeling that this is all fake, the killings aren't real and this is indeed in a VR simulation. There was that scene at the end of Trial 5, where it looked like Junko was talking in the secret room with Motherkuma. I think this is Tsugumi cosplaying as Junko, and she will be the mastermind. The reason why she can cosplay as Junko and not get cospox is because Junko is a fictional character in the story of V3
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Oct 14, 2017 15:39
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Sakurazuka posted:I can read fast enough that it's never been a problem Yeah, I also know very basic Japanese and played with Japanese dub; it isn't that big of a problem. But only if you read fast.
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Oct 14, 2017 15:39
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HellCopter posted:Something cool I noticed on a second watch (Entire Game Spoilers!): The Ultimate Detective lab holds 52 case files that describe various murders. And this, of course, is the 53rd Danganronpa... This is a brilliant catch. Full-game spoilers: It makes sense that the early cases are 'drawings'; they're screenshots from the early Danganronpa games, back when it was an ordinary game series and the participants weren't flesh and blood. Torino posted:I seem to be one of the only people on this thread who genuinely liked Shuichi (he's actually tied in second place in faves for me) and I'll admit a huge part of that was his original voice. His charm just vanishes with the english voice to me, so I guess i'm not that surprised people who played it in english found him boring. I played V3 in English (having played 1 and 2 with the Japanese voices, just because I was already used to those voices for the characters), and I'm extremely fond of Shuichi! He might be my favourite V3 character. I wasn't sure about his voice at first, but I warmed to it. Chapter one spoilers: Then again, Naegi was my favourite character in the first game and Hinata was one of my favourites in the second (it's only hard to say with confidence that he's my favourite because Komaeda exists), so it's possible I just have a weakness for the protagonists. Something about spending so much time inside their heads, maybe. You could, if you were feeling uncharitable, argue that I have a weakness for the bland. Not all the English voices worked for me (I didn't get along with Tsumugi's in particular, and, like many others, I think I might have liked Himiko more with different voice direction), but one thing the Japanese version is missing out on is Miu's 'gently caress ALL Y'ALL' voice clip, so I don't regret choosing the dub. And, as some have mentioned, Kokichi is excellent. His voice actor is just having so much fun.
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Oct 14, 2017 16:03
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Honestly, you guys kinda sound like weeaboos
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Oct 14, 2017 18:28
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Tired Moritz posted:Honestly, you guys kinda sound like weeaboos excellent contribution, thank you
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Oct 14, 2017 18:33
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how is it not wrong though? if you like the japanese version because you just like the voices better, just say so instead of writing an essay about how JAPANESE PEOPLE WOULD NEVER USE FIRST NAMES SO CASUALLY yeah, that's how localization works.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:38
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OK I'm just finishing case 4 and if Monokuma doesn't kill Alter Ego Gonta - as the one who actually carried out the murder - instead of real Gonta I'm going to be mad. I was already thinking that real Gonta didn't technically kill anyone if he didn't transfer over properly so. Either way I expect case 5 to have the victim be Kokichi and the culprit be everyone (except Gonta). Also I've played all the main Dangan Ronpas and only learned that Japan uses last names recently. If they'd used last names it would have felt like a weird posh boarding school thing to me. Edit: Damnit. il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Oct 14, 2017 19:00
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il_cornuto posted:I'm enjoying this so far but I'm on the Chapter 4 trial and it's infuriating how long it's taking them to figure out the "trick" to the virtual world, something that was obvious way before the trial even started. The second psyche taxi where it expected you to give technically wrong answers like "the river ends at the chapel" and "the signboard travelled against the current" was particularly annoying. There have been times when they've taken a little while to realise something obvious before but this is by far the worst. If I have to watch the animation of this signboard floating down the river one more time. "Shuichi, you already know the secret, right?" YES. this is why Chapter 4 is the worst case.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:02
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Rith posted:This is a brilliant catch. Full-game spoilers: It makes sense that the early cases are 'drawings'; they're screenshots from the early Danganronpa games, back when it was an ordinary game series and the participants weren't flesh and blood. Endgame spoilers: Heh, I took the opposite interpretation. In SDR2, photos were used to imply fictional worlds, like in the arcade game, and the drawings were real life. So the first few cases are real, but the rest were all fictional.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:08
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Tired Moritz posted:Honestly, you guys kinda sound like weeaboos we're playing a japanese visual novel over here, thanks for noticing Anyway, it's just occurred to me that I finished the entire game and never found a single goddamn use of that "Reaction Voice" mechanic. What on earth is that for, why does that exist
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Oct 14, 2017 19:11
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il_cornuto posted:Also I've played all the main Dangan Ronpas and only learned that Japan uses last names recently. If they'd used last names it would have felt like a weird posh boarding school thing to me. We never really got deep enough in to properly discuss and decide on the matter but at the point when it was cancelled, the SHSL Translation Patch actually did have everybody on mostly last name terms (no honorifics though) with the observation that it did kinda lend the place an air of the elite boarding school. This wasn't really a direct decision on our part, merely the result of adapting Oren's LP into a draft to be worked on (and possibly helped in no small part by the fact that we'd all been thinking in last names since the LP started). I liked it. Maybe we would've changed it later. Maybe we would've kept it. In one of my discarded idea piles, Ishimaru called everyone Mr or Ms Last Name. It seemed really fitting.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:11
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Anyway, it's just occurred to me that I finished the entire game and never found a single goddamn use of that "Reaction Voice" mechanic. What on earth is that for, why does that exist literally no tutorial for it. well, it was amazingly useless in dr1.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:16
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Using last names would've felt perfectly fine I think, hell I still accidentally interchange last and first names all the time for the cast of the first two games because I read them before they came over here. I don't see every character doing that though. IE I totally see Miu still using first names because she just doesn't give a poo poo while I could see Gonta even going as far as using honorifics (despite them not being localized for anyone else) just because he wants to be a super gentleman.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:18
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Tired Moritz posted:Honestly, you guys kinda sound like weeaboos I prefer my VNs in the original Klingon
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