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Torino
Mar 6, 2013

If I could find a way to put my own soul into a computer, that would surely create a true “strong AI”...

Kay Kessler posted:

I don't really know pianos but I saw a post going around that the music she plays during her execution is supposed to be really easy to play (black keys only) as a final humiliation.

That's true, the song is Der Flohwalzer (The Flea Waltz), also known as Neko Funjatta (I trod on a cat) in Japanese and one of the most typical 'literally anyone can play on a piano' songs. ('Chopsticks' is as example probably more well-known in the english-speaking world though.) I thought it added an extra layer of nasty to an already brutal execution myself.

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Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT
I played and enjoyed DR1 and 2 in English and will play this game in English. Hey hey

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
You monster...







kidding that's how I roll too.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Gonta's english voice is very cute

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
I've never understood the hate for the english voices, the only person whose voice I hate is Byakuya and that's because he's the loving worst everything

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


I don't really understand the English Monokuma hate because he sounds exactly the same as his previous outings to me.

I'm not saying people are wrong or anything but I don't hear it at all.

BlazeEmblem
Jun 8, 2013

Uh oh. Do I use Ariadne thread or Goho-M?

Sea Sponge Run posted:

I don't really understand the English Monokuma hate because he sounds exactly the same as his previous outings to me.

I'm not saying people are wrong or anything but I don't hear it at all.

It's the same voice actor, but he uses a different high pitch than in DR 1 and 2. He still uses the same low pitch, though.

Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.

Amppelix posted:

Does anyone agree with me on chapter 2 being the worst one in the game by far? Nothing interesting really happens in the entire thing. Shuichi spends time being the worst he ever is in the game, moping around, which doesn't help endear him to you coming off the chapter 1 twist. The whole motive videos business only amounts to the bug meet-n-greet with Gonta and Kokichi (which is great). The trial is also the worst one in the game, with painfully slow meandering towards the murder method, which you probably figured out mostly during the investigation, and no interesting twists to save it.

In short, there's not much of interest in the character writing portion and the mystery portion is pretty rote too.


I can intensely relate to any character that has some form of anxiety, so I found myself growing attached to Shuichi and relating to his fears throughout most of chapter 2. It also helps that Kaito is the Ultimate Bro and offers to help him out through training, and the difference it makes is pretty astounding.

I actually kinda liked the trial too, even if it's pretty easy to figure out

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

Sea Sponge Run posted:

I don't really understand the English Monokuma hate because he sounds exactly the same as his previous outings to me.

I'm not saying people are wrong or anything but I don't hear it at all.

It's the Mickey Mouse thing he does many times over the course of the game, feels like a different VA whenever it happens

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Following the end of the RPG mode, you are told you have unlocked some more content and given a prompt that says clear save data. I figured I did not want to clear my save data like I had for School Mode and chose no. Now I have to beat that boss again.

Fire NISA.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Swerve;

Amppelix posted:

I like usedpizza's streams. He has a laid-back attitude about it, doesn't read dialogue out loud (I know some people like that but I don't think you would), and is just bad enough at figuring out the mysteries that it's entertaining but not excruciating. Also his viewerbase is small enough to not be terrible.

Streams here and uploads his stuff on youtube here with a delay. He's beginning chapter 3 next.

He also has the entire rest of the series (including Ultra Despair Girls, brave soul) up if you're interested.

Been enjoying this. Any more like this guy? I looked into that other guy mentioned (who calls himself Trump for some reason) but I'm not a fan so far. Sadly, he and usedpizza are about the only streamers I've found who don't read dialogue.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Fedule posted:

Swerve;


Been enjoying this. Any more like this guy? I looked into that other guy mentioned (who calls himself Trump for some reason) but I'm not a fan so far. Sadly, he and usedpizza are about the only streamers I've found who don't read dialogue.

Oh my god, Trump played Danganronpa? :allears:

He's a Hearthstone streamer, and he picked it in the sense of "trump card". This was before Donald Trump's latest round of political came around.

LibbyM
Dec 7, 2011

Yeah Trumps being streaming so long that starcraft was still popular when he started (hence trumpsc). Unfortunate for him that donald trump became relevant again.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Fedule posted:

Been enjoying this. Any more like this guy? I looked into that other guy mentioned (who calls himself Trump for some reason) but I'm not a fan so far. Sadly, he and usedpizza are about the only streamers I've found who don't read dialogue.

Well there is IAteYourPie (https://go.twitch.tv/iateyourpie) who's in the same circles as usedpizza and also tremendously entertaining if you ask me, but he's only done DR1 so far. He'll get around to the rest eventually! In the meantime you could also watch his playthroughs through the Ace Attorney series instead, which are mostly highlighted on his channel (you'll have to scroll pretty far down (also a few games are missing for some reason))

Teratrain
Aug 23, 2007
Waiting for Godot

Sea Sponge Run posted:

I don't really understand the English Monokuma hate because he sounds exactly the same as his previous outings to me.

I'm not saying people are wrong or anything but I don't hear it at all.

Does the English Monokuma VA do the stupid Upupupu laugh, by the way? That laugh rules.

Oxygen Deficiency
May 19, 2008



I didn't realise the whole english vs japanese VO was a thing until I started reading this thread. I first experienced DR through oren's lp's with the japanese VO. When I picked up DR2 myself, I played it in japanese without thinking too much about it. And it was the same for DRV3. It wasn't a case of "THE ENGLISH VOICES ARE TERRIBLE" I just preferred it that way. I did go back and replay DR2 with english voices and I thought they were fine. I'll probably replay DRV3 in english at some point too but for the most part the japanese voice cast was really drat good. The only weak VA was probably Shuichis imo.

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe
Yeah, I'm only using Japanese voices because I got used to them in the series thus far so it's a little jarring to hear the English voices instead. I'll probably replay the series in English when I'm done with v3.

Torino
Mar 6, 2013

If I could find a way to put my own soul into a computer, that would surely create a true “strong AI”...

Tir McDohl posted:

It's the Mickey Mouse thing he does many times over the course of the game, feels like a different VA whenever it happens

In DRV3 at the beginning, english Monokuma is speaking in a ridiculously high falsetto that he didn't use in the previous games, and then inexplicably switches to a lower register later on. I dont really get it, because it's only at the beginning of V3. Jake pointed this out in his stream of it and was also confused by it.

It is my personal opinion that his English voice should have gone in a more Bugs Bunny direction but that's just me. :colbert:

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?
So I finished my play through of the game, and Im starting doing bonus stuff, but one casino item is still locked for me. Apparently its the super lucky button and googling how to unlock it has not helped at all. Anyone know how that gets unlocked?

Rith
Oct 10, 2012

YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!

The Black Stones posted:

So I finished my play through of the game, and Im starting doing bonus stuff, but one casino item is still locked for me. Apparently its the super lucky button and googling how to unlock it has not helped at all. Anyone know how that gets unlocked?

A bit of Googling finds someone saying you unlock it by... having 100,000 casino coins at one time, which I can tell you is untrue, because I've never had that many coins at once and I've unlocked it. I've definitely earned over 100,000 coins in total, though, in order to support the unhealthy love hotel habit the protagonist developed in my playthrough, so that might be it.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013
I'm going to update the student rankings this afternoon. If you want to be included in this round, post your rankings now!

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?

Rith posted:

A bit of Googling finds someone saying you unlock it by... having 100,000 casino coins at one time, which I can tell you is untrue, because I've never had that many coins at once and I've unlocked it. I've definitely earned over 100,000 coins in total, though, in order to support the unhealthy love hotel habit the protagonist developed in my playthrough, so that might be it.

Definitely not true. I currently have 160,000. Ive bought everything else and nothing. Ive still got some story stuff to go through again for trophies so I hope its tied to that.

Dongicus
Jun 11, 2015
This game has the best cast. the other two don't even compare.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Amppelix posted:

Well there is IAteYourPie (https://go.twitch.tv/iateyourpie) who's in the same circles as usedpizza and also tremendously entertaining if you ask me, but he's only done DR1 so far. He'll get around to the rest eventually! In the meantime you could also watch his playthroughs through the Ace Attorney series instead, which are mostly highlighted on his channel (you'll have to scroll pretty far down (also a few games are missing for some reason))

Pie did Danganronpa 2 a month or so ago, man that was good but nothing beats 10 minutes of the chat spamming The Hips

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


Dongicus posted:

This game has the best cast. the other two don't even compare.

I agree with that.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013
Rankings v2.0:

1. Kokichi
2. Kaede
3. Miu
4. Kaito
5. Maki (↑ 2)
6. Gonta (↓1)
7. Shuichi (↑3)
8. Himiko (↑1)
9. Ryoma (↓3)
10. Keebo (↓2)
11. Tenko (↑1)
12. Angie (↓1)
13. Kirumi
14. Rantaro (↑1)
15. Kirekiyo (↓1)
16. Tsumugi


A few insights about how the rankings have changed:
People seem a bit more accepting of Shuichi and Maki, placing both of Kaito's sidekicks higher than was initially apparent. Ryoma and Keebo, on the other hand, suffered strongly. In the end, these changes were fairly minor; there's a pretty clear consensus of who belongs on the top and the bottom, with Kokichi gaining an even bigger lead on Kaede than before and Tsumugi still rounding out the bottom. Angie remains the most controversial by far, but opinions about Tenko and Gonta turned out to be significantly more polarized than we first thought.

Also, the scores have settled into some larger breaks, which produced the following natural "tiers" in popularity:

Kokichi Tier:
Kokichi

Popular Tier:
Kaede
Miu
Kaito
Maki
Gonta
Shuichi
Himiko
Ryoma
Keebo

Controversial Tier:
Tenko
Angie

Unpopular Tier:
Kirumi
Rantaro
Kirekiyo
Tsumugi

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

Ah, to be so thoroughly disliked by the masses... this too is part of the beauty of humanity however.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
gonta dropping down is shameful

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

Tired Moritz posted:

gonta dropping down is shameful

That surprised me. The first round everyone seemed to agree he belonged somewhere in the positive side of the middle of the pack. This round have some very strong opinions, which raised his controversy and dropped him a rank, overall.

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
I'm still surprised Kaede is so much more popular than Shuichi. Looking back, Kaede was really one-note, and her free time events didn't really strike a chord with me either. She didn't exactly fall flat, but she wasn't fantastic either.

I get that people were excited for a female protag, but drat.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Haifisch posted:

I'm still surprised Kaede is so much more popular than Shuichi. Looking back, Kaede was really one-note, and her free time events didn't really strike a chord with me either. She didn't exactly fall flat, but she wasn't fantastic either.

I get that people were excited for a female protag, but drat.


First of all congrats on that chain of puns.

Character spoilers: All the characters are kind of one note for the first chapter because they haven't had time to develop, so I don't hold that against Kaede so much as I'd evaluate her first note versus the other characters' first notes. I'd also assume that a large part of Kaede's popularity comes not just from what we saw of her but also from the potential she had as a character. I'd have been much more interested to see how a character who is already motivated and self-confident develops versus "dude is insecure about his own self-worth until eventually he isn't any more", which is the same arc of the previous two protagonists. Kaede's role basically ends up getting filled by Kaito, she just gets a bump over him from actually having been the protagonist for one chapter. So it's partly female protagonist but also assertive protagonist too, I think.

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Reveilled posted:

Kaede's role basically ends up getting filled by Kaito
...and I'm one of the few goons who wasn't a huge fan of Kaito. :v: The "believe in yourself! believe in others! you can do it! rah rah rah!" bit doesn't do it for me unless it's executed very, very well. Although Kaito got minus points for taking it to the point of idiocy during the fourth trial.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Haifisch posted:

I'm still surprised Kaede is so much more popular than Shuichi. Looking back, Kaede was really one-note, and her free time events didn't really strike a chord with me either. She didn't exactly fall flat, but she wasn't fantastic either.

I get that people were excited for a female protag, but drat.


While kaede was one-note, it was a note that I enjoyed more than "Whiny emo bitch number 53", and they didnt really flesh her out because they were setting her up to be the first murderer. Shuichi really aggravates me because he's just such a wimp about everything except investigating and only really starts being not-a-bitch at the tail end of the game.

Haifisch posted:

...and I'm one of the few goons who wasn't a huge fan of Kaito. :v: The "believe in yourself! believe in others! you can do it! rah rah rah!" bit doesn't do it for me unless it's executed very, very well. Although Kaito got minus points for taking it to the point of idiocy during the fourth trial.

Kaito also annoyed the poo poo out of me because of the constant stream of "I'm going to solve everything right here! Shuichi, you're on!" At least try to put up an argument instead of getting pooichi to do it for you

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe
V3 Ch1 spoilers. The promotional video is simultaneously one of the creepiest and hilarious things this series has done.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


spit on my clit posted:

Kaito also annoyed the poo poo out of me because of the constant stream of "I'm going to solve everything right here! Shuichi, you're on!" At least try to put up an argument instead of getting pooichi to do it for you

I actually think that was Kaito being helpful. Shuichi felt guilty for his first detective case, then for Kaede, and for that matter Kitumi. Kaito was talking about taking the credit but in a sense he was taking the blame and the responsibility.

Basically it would normally be a jerk move but it was something Shuichi kind of needed.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Torino posted:

In DRV3 at the beginning, english Monokuma is speaking in a ridiculously high falsetto that he didn't use in the previous games, and then inexplicably switches to a lower register later on. I dont really get it, because it's only at the beginning of V3. Jake pointed this out in his stream of it and was also confused by it.

It is my personal opinion that his English voice should have gone in a more Bugs Bunny direction but that's just me. :colbert:

Ew no! DR3's Monokuma sounds like a Japanese Bugs Bunny and gently caress if I could accept it.

Nyek nyek nyek is just wrong!

Dongicus posted:

This game has the best cast. the other two don't even compare.

Ew x2! Give me Nekomaru/Teruteru/Hiyoko (basically anyone) over Miu, Sakura over Gonta, Kazuichi over Keebo, Gundam over Ryoma, poo poo I will take Peko over Kirumi! Peko!!

al-azad fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Oct 24, 2017

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

al-azad posted:

Ew no! DR3's Monokuma sounds like a Japanese Bugs Bunny and gently caress if I could accept it.

Nyek nyek nyek is just wrong!

I think he sounded like Toad from the Super Mario Brothers cartoon

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
I might be alone in this but I'm not super fond of how convoluted the later cases get in DR2/3. Things like the weird Strawberry/Grape house mechanic, or the VR world in DRV3 feels a bit like 'well we gotta make it a different mystery somehow'. All the DR1 cases were fairly realistic-ish; Chp 5 was a bit convoluted but it's a pretty weak chapter anyway.

I dunno, just things like 'sticking a katana into an effigy and make it spin to create a locked-room mystery' teeters between 'good mystery' and 'well that's just a thing that can only happen in a video game huh'.

Spinning Robo
Apr 17, 2007

ApplesandOranges posted:

I might be alone in this but I'm not super fond of how convoluted the later cases get in DR2/3. Things like the weird Strawberry/Grape house mechanic, or the VR world in DRV3 feels a bit like 'well we gotta make it a different mystery somehow'. All the DR1 cases were fairly realistic-ish; Chp 5 was a bit convoluted but it's a pretty weak chapter anyway.

I dunno, just things like 'sticking a katana into an effigy and make it spin to create a locked-room mystery' teeters between 'good mystery' and 'well that's just a thing that can only happen in a video game huh'.


However I'm a big fan of the idea of kiyo screwing up the trick like 5 times and running into the room to try again, progressively angrier and angrier

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Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
It'll never stop amusing me that almost every case in every Danganronpa would be basically unsolvable if the culprit had just ambushed someone, knifed them, and just left the knife in the body and made a token effort to not get blood on their clothes. Only Sayaka Maizono even attempted this astonishingly sensible gambit, and only really stepped wrong by contriving it happening in Naegi's room - how did she think that would end? Naegi had her key and she his. But anyway, Leon turned it around on her, but he hosed up by trying to clean up the scene and by not loving noticing his own loving name being on the wall. Imagine if he hadn't done that; it went down in Naegi's room, he's holding one of Sayaka's possessions, and only his own word says otherwise. Mondo came close too, and was undercut by Togami being an enormous scheming poo poo, and even then was only finally undone by his own slip-up. Without those, that case goes nowhere. As if to underline this point, the very next case gives us the incredibly convoluted and immediately transparent Justice Robo gambit, and, well it was all downhill from there.

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