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Fedule posted:It'll never stop amusing me that almost every case in every Danganronpa would be basically unsolvable if the culprit had just ambushed someone, knifed them, and just left the knife in the body and made a token effort to not get blood on their clothes. Only Sayaka Maizono even attempted this astonishingly sensible gambit, and only really stepped wrong by contriving it happening in Naegi's room - how did she think that would end? Naegi had her key and she his. But anyway, Leon turned it around on her, but he hosed up by trying to clean up the scene and by not loving noticing his own loving name being on the wall. Imagine if he hadn't done that; it went down in Naegi's room, he's holding one of Sayaka's possessions, and only his own word says otherwise. Mondo came close too, and was undercut by Togami being an enormous scheming poo poo, and even then was only finally undone by his own slip-up. Without those, that case goes nowhere. As if to underline this point, the very next case gives us the incredibly convoluted and immediately transparent Justice Robo gambit, and, well it was all downhill from there.
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Fedule posted:It'll never stop amusing me that almost every case in every Danganronpa would be basically unsolvable if the culprit had just ambushed someone, knifed them, and just left the knife in the body and made a token effort to not get blood on their clothes. Only Sayaka Maizono even attempted this astonishingly sensible gambit, and only really stepped wrong by contriving it happening in Naegi's room - how did she think that would end? Naegi had her key and she his. But anyway, Leon turned it around on her, but he hosed up by trying to clean up the scene and by not loving noticing his own loving name being on the wall. Imagine if he hadn't done that; it went down in Naegi's room, he's holding one of Sayaka's possessions, and only his own word says otherwise. Mondo came close too, and was undercut by Togami being an enormous scheming poo poo, and even then was only finally undone by his own slip-up. Without those, that case goes nowhere. As if to underline this point, the very next case gives us the incredibly convoluted and immediately transparent Justice Robo gambit, and, well it was all downhill from there. Considering the theme of Danganronpa is that someone is watching for whatever reason, I feel like Monokuma would intentionally throw in extra clues just to make the game interesting. The blackened winning is actually the worse case scenario for the mastermind in every game. Although in V3's case Tsumugi basically did just this except she hosed up by not destroying the evidence completely although you could argue it doesn't matter in the end because it was never about winning, it was about putting on a good game for the audience.
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If it were me, my plan would be to have someone I don't like get REAL mad at me, like outright yelling in front of people, an hour or two afterwards ask a couple people if they've seen my handbook because I can't find it, then that night quietly stab the poo poo out of someone unrelated and frame myself. I'm talking my clothes covered in blood hidden at the crime scene, the murder takes place somewhere I normally hang out, leave my student handbook at the scene, type up a note telling my victim to meet me at the spot, just make the sloppiest loving crime scene possible. Then at the trial: "I have a bad habit of leaving my room open! Anybody could have taken my clothes!" "My handbook went missing sometime after my argument with X!" "They typed the note because they couldn't imitate my handwriting!" Nobody EVER expects the Double-Unruse Ruse, you let them solve the mystery they want to solve, while the real mystery hides underneath  
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Danaru posted:If it were me, my plan would be to have someone I don't like get REAL mad at me, like outright yelling in front of people, an hour or two afterwards ask a couple people if they've seen my handbook because I can't find it, then that night quietly stab the poo poo out of someone unrelated and frame myself. Protagonist: Something's wrong. All the evidence is too convenient. HANGMAN'S GAMBIT: WHAT MADE UP BULLSHIT UNGUESSABLE PHRASE EXPLAINS HOW THE KILLER HID THEIR MOTIVE? _K_E_Y_S_E_R_S_O_Z_E_ "I've got it!"
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Oct 24, 2017 05:35
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is hangman gambit easier in japanese
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Tired Moritz posted:is hangman gambit easier in japanese From what I've heard, yes.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I might be alone in this but I'm not super fond of how convoluted the later cases get in DR2/3. Things like the weird Strawberry/Grape house mechanic, or the VR world in DRV3 feels a bit like 'well we gotta make it a different mystery somehow'. All the DR1 cases were fairly realistic-ish; Chp 5 was a bit convoluted but it's a pretty weak chapter anyway. I never saw it that way. It's probably because I played all main Phoenix Wright games and Ghost Trick. At this point nothing feels like it is too much anymore. 
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Mindblast posted:I never saw it that way. It's probably because I played all main Phoenix Wright games and Ghost Trick. At this point nothing feels like it is too much anymore.
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Danaru posted:If it were me, my plan would be to have someone I don't like get REAL mad at me, like outright yelling in front of people, an hour or two afterwards ask a couple people if they've seen my handbook because I can't find it, then that night quietly stab the poo poo out of someone unrelated and frame myself. You know, I was surprised that nobody ever thought to kill like, Naegi or Kirigiri or Chiaki. Like, either the person who does 80% of the crime solving or the person who supports them? I guess in DR the murders are very rarely out of malice or even just wanting to escape, but still, there's a few like that.
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Tired Moritz posted:is hangman gambit easier in japanese The words are shorter at least, but Ropeway is some stupid bullshit regardless of language
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My personal favourite Hangman's Gambit was Hajime trying to figure out what an elevator is
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Irony Be My Shield posted:V3: Kiyo's first kill pretty much amounted to that as well. It was entirely his greed in needing to see his original plan work that sunk him. Kirumi too. She did this whole fancy thing with the magic show, but if she’d just left a drowned Ryoma in his research lab she would have won. No fancy preparations, no inner tube or glove. Sure, she wouldn’t have had an alibi, but no one would. But that wouldn’t be very fun as a trial. Heck if she cuffed him behind his back so he couldn’t scratch the basin and took the cuffs off afterwards they might go for suicide. Oh, and yeah Hangman’s Gambit sucks. seesaw effect has a really easy first word and then, uh, guess the second based on the letters available. Qrr fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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I'll still always find it funny how much difficulty people had with On The Bone Meat. Er, I mean Bone The Meat On. No wait The Meat On Bone?
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HGH posted:I'll still always find it funny how much difficulty people had with On The Bone Meat. I got my first game over from that  I was also drinking heavily and couldn't remember which combinations I'd already tried, so that didn't really help.
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The way the question is framed and the available options makes you think you're trying to express an idea ("It's on the...") rather than just naming a single object. V3: "Ropeway" just seems like a weird translation choice, unless it's a more common word in the US. I think the only other context I've ever heard that word in is the Hakone Ropeway.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The way the question is framed and the available options makes you think you're trying to express an idea ("It's on the...") rather than just naming a single object. V3: "Ropeway" just seems like a weird translation choice, unless it's a more common word in the US. I think the only other context I've ever heard that word in is the Hakone Ropeway. I'd never heard the tearm "Ropeway" before, but after I had "rope", it wasn't a huge stretch. Seesaw Effect hosed my poo poo up though
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The way the question is framed and the available options makes you think you're trying to express an idea ("It's on the...") rather than just naming a single object. V3: "Ropeway" just seems like a weird translation choice, unless it's a more common word in the US. I think the only other context I've ever heard that word in is the Hakone Ropeway.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:"Ropeway" just seems like a weird translation choice, unless it's a more common word in the US. I think the only other context I've ever heard that word in is the Hakone Ropeway. It's not a translation choice, it's the word used in the original japanese.
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sockpuppetclock posted:I've literally never heard of anyone ever using the word ropeway. Even in the context of the case zipline is infinitely more appropriate than "ropeway" since almost all uses of ropeway imply a mechanism to create movement instead of being propelled by gravity, which is literally what ziplines do. Seriously this. I spent a solid 5 minutes wondering why there was no Z showing up. THEY EVEN HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF LETTERS
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:It's not a translation choice, it's the word used in the original japanese. It’s a classic translation choice - the choice to use a katakana word as-is, which is often the wrong choice and sometimes an outright translation error. Katakana isn’t English.
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At least you aren't an incredibly dense motherfucker like me. I gameovered to the hangman's gambit in Trial 6: What season are we on? 
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The second episode of slowbeef's Danganronpa V3 Visual Novel Book Club podcast is out, over here! (Polsy link to avoid spoilers in recommendations.) It covers chapter one up to the first body discovery and doesn't have any spoilers beyond that. (The first episode, covering the prologue, is here.) I'm enjoying it immensely; it's really interesting to hear everyone's theories and impressions as they go along. It's particularly interesting because a couple of the readers haven't played a Danganronpa game before, so they're not going in with the same set of expectations that a Danganronpa fan might. Spoilers for chapter one: I'm glad that a couple of the readers picked up on a romantic vibe between Kaede and Rantaro in his Free Time events, because I was wondering whether I'd imagined that. Rantaro was the first character I pursued in Free Time, and I got the bonus nail-painting scene in between his Free Time scenes. 'Oh, these two have some interesting chemistry; I wonder where this is going,' I thought. As it turned out, it was not going to good places.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:At least you aren't an incredibly dense motherfucker like me. I gameovered to the hangman's gambit in Trial 6: What season are we on? 
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al-azad posted:Ew x2! Give me Nekomaru/Teruteru/Hiyoko (basically anyone) over Miu, Sakura over Gonta, Kazuichi over Keebo, Gundam over Ryoma, poo poo I will take Peko over Kirumi! Peko!! No. That's wrong.
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Rith posted:The second episode of slowbeef's Danganronpa V3 Visual Novel Book Club podcast is out, over here! (Polsy link to avoid spoilers in recommendations.) It covers chapter one up to the first body discovery and doesn't have any spoilers beyond that. (The first episode, covering the prologue, is here.) I'm enjoying it immensely; it's really interesting to hear everyone's theories and impressions as they go along. It's particularly interesting because a couple of the readers haven't played a Danganronpa game before, so they're not going in with the same set of expectations that a Danganronpa fan might. Full game spoilers: One of them guessed that there was a second shot put ball  . I hope that one of them remembers when they bring it up in chapter 6.
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teruteru over miu? are you for real???????????????Rith posted:The second episode of slowbeef's Danganronpa V3 Visual Novel Book Club podcast is out, over here! (Polsy link to avoid spoilers in recommendations.) It covers chapter one up to the first body discovery and doesn't have any spoilers beyond that. (The first episode, covering the prologue, is here.) I'm enjoying it immensely; it's really interesting to hear everyone's theories and impressions as they go along. It's particularly interesting because a couple of the readers haven't played a Danganronpa game before, so they're not going in with the same set of expectations that a Danganronpa fan might. i heavily recommend that nobody watch slowbeef
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YoshiOfYellow posted:At least you aren't an incredibly dense motherfucker like me. I gameovered to the hangman's gambit in Trial 6: What season are we on? I got that one pretty trivially because I had the ability that filled in the first letter automatically. Because Hangman’s Gambit sucks.
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The worst Hangman's Gambit is "Schizo" because I'm pretty sure that's the wrong thing entirely.
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Dongicus posted:i heavily recommend that nobody watch slowbeef At the risk of this going to a massive derail: why
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Amppelix posted:At the risk of this going to a massive derail: why He's gotten kinda weird lately. Frankly, that whole crew (other than Diabetus, who I simply think hasn't been active on the internet much) has. Voidburger and Ironicus made the leap from 'interested in social justice' to SJW after Trump got elected, and beef started leaning in that direction too. This would be less of a problem if it didn't lead to being less funny in videos, which it has. e: I assume that's it at least. Maybe he's annoyed slowbeef sold out after being staunchly "LPing is a hobby" for so long.
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Dongicus posted:teruteru over miu? are you for real??????????????? I agree with that!
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Sea Sponge Run posted:The worst Hangman's Gambit is "Schizo" because I'm pretty sure that's the wrong thing entirely. Yeah that whole thing was a complete mess. Schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder are completely different conditions. Schizophrenia can sometimes cause people to have dissociative episodes, so I guess some people hear "dissociative" and, if you'll forgive me, associate the two, leading to this weirdly pervasive perception that the two are the same. On top of that, "schizo" is basically a slur so real good work on that NISA. Fedule fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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I mean the other problem with using Schizo in the hangman's gambit is that schizophrenia is a real thing while multiple personality disorder is more or less entirely fictional.
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Split Personality would have definitely made more sense, even if it would have been a bit on the long side.
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I've also seen just "split" suggested, although with one word at that length people might have trouble figuring out what answer the game wants.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I mean the other problem with using Schizo in the hangman's gambit is that schizophrenia is a real thing while multiple personality disorder is more or less entirely fictional. The kind of literally-multiple-personality disorder you commonly see represented in fiction, including of course Danganronpa, is indeed an outright fabrication. Dissociative identity disorder is very real, insofar as it is defined in the DSM and people have been and continue to be diagnosed with it. However, the actual hard particulars of it are notoriously difficult to semantically pin down, are beset by flawed or misrepresented research, and are generally poorly understood and hotly contested within the actual qualified community of actual psychologists.
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Cuntellectual posted:He's gotten kinda weird lately. Frankly, that whole crew (other than Diabetus, who I simply think hasn't been active on the internet much) has. Voidburger and Ironicus made the leap from 'interested in social justice' to SJW after Trump got elected, and beef started leaning in that direction too. This + but it's primarily that he's painfully unfunny and the dude has an ego problem.
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Sjw boogeyman aaaaaaa
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Tired Moritz posted:Sjw boogeyman aaaaaaa Don't you know that feminism caused the dinosaurs to go extinct?
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