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Tired Moritz posted:Sjw boogeyman aaaaaaa
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Oct 25, 2017 05:33
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Cuntellectual posted:He's gotten kinda weird lately. Frankly, that whole crew (other than Diabetus, who I simply think hasn't been active on the internet much) has. Voidburger and Ironicus made the leap from 'interested in social justice' to SJW after Trump got elected, and beef started leaning in that direction too. lol
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Oct 25, 2017 06:31
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IceBorg posted:tenkoface.jpg It was probably better than continuing the previous conversation. 
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Oct 25, 2017 06:33
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Someone on the subreddit pointed out something that really changes in meaning after beating the game  (Full V3 Game spoilers) cut to commercial CUT TO COMMERCIAL
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Oct 25, 2017 08:31
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Seriously this. I spent a solid 5 minutes wondering why there was no Z showing up. What is the source of your avatar? I'm curious.
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Oct 25, 2017 10:25
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I'm glad everyone else has trouble with the Hangman's Gambits, I didn't do good with any of them. I'm pretty sure I'm a complete idiot with how much I got stumped with those. Not even including all the other parts of the game where I got stuck. Gave me an irrational hatred for Korekiyo since every single time he decided to bring up a point in a debate it was one where I was like "What goddamn truth bullet do I use"
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Oct 25, 2017 11:48
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Danaru posted:Someone on the subreddit pointed out something that really changes in meaning after beating the game
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Oct 25, 2017 11:55
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Just beat V3 last night. Super fun game, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a bit of sense. I feel like there was another ending planned and scrapped at some point where the whole meta/fiction element was actually a ruse by cyber-Junko to get the characters to continue the cycle of the killing game. Like, instead of being fictional they'd still be in cryo-sleep and reliving the killing game over and over with different personalities each time for Junko's personal amusement. How else could you explain Tsumugi physically not being able to cosplay as Kaede if she wasn't real in some way? This would also explain other elements like the Necronomicon being able to resurrect the dead and the "Truth of the outside world" being in NEO world, a VR program which itself was based on another, more advanced version of the same thing. Why V3 went in the direction they did kind of baffles me. Maybe they ran out of budget or people didn't like the original ending? I dunno, it was a fun ride either way I guess. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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Oct 25, 2017 14:19
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readingatwork posted:Just beat V3 last night. Super fun game, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a bit of sense. Kaede is a real person, even if her memories and such were fabricated. where as Junko/the DR 1-2 cast she turns into were 100% fictional, and in universe from a game/anime/whatever.
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Oct 25, 2017 14:28
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shapedlikeafriend posted:I'm glad everyone else has trouble with the Hangman's Gambits, I didn't do good with any of them. I'm pretty sure I'm a complete idiot with how much I got stumped with those. Not even including all the other parts of the game where I got stuck. Gave me an irrational hatred for Korekiyo since every single time he decided to bring up a point in a debate it was one where I was like "What goddamn truth bullet do I use" They are my least favourite minigame. I never actually bothered getting that skill that makes it easier (i think it gives you the first letter?) but I don't think it would have helped me very much. Just really badly translated. Sir Ilpalazzo posted:What is the source of your avatar? I'm curious. Found the source here: https://www.instagram.com/oxfruit/
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Oct 25, 2017 14:33
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readingatwork posted:Just beat V3 last night. Super fun game, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a bit of sense. The entire game is themed around truth and lies, and whether lies are just as valid as the truth. I think the game built up to the ending pretty well. If it was "Junko again, again!" I would've been mad. As for your other points, they could've grabbed a lookalike for the resurrected student and brainwashed them. And the truth of the outside world was originally just a flashback light but Kokichi conspired to put it in the virtual world.
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Oct 25, 2017 14:35
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readingatwork posted:Just beat V3 last night. Super fun game, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a bit of sense. It makes a lot more sense if you accept Danganronpa is a video game/show designed to entertain by partaking in the suffering of its characters. Tsumugi isn't even mad about being exposed because the audience (you) doesn't care about the lives of the characters, only the final result hope vs. despair and the machinations of Junko Enoshima. Shuichi's final plea is that despair is bad because it's suffering, hope is bad because the audience demands more, so the only way to truly end the killing game is for the audience to stop participating. The game was announced in 2015, maybe earlier. I really don't think there were any major changes or switches along the way.
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Oct 25, 2017 15:00
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HellCopter posted:The entire game is themed around truth and lies, and whether lies are just as valid as the truth. I think the game built up to the ending pretty well. If it was "Junko again, again!" I would've been mad. Oh I loved that they finally found a way for the villain to not just be Junko again. That part was amazing and Tsumugi is a great villain. I just think the execution has some issues. al-azad posted:It makes a lot more sense if you accept Danganronpa is a video game/show designed to entertain by partaking in the suffering of its characters. Tsumugi isn't even mad about being exposed because the audience (you) doesn't care about the lives of the characters, only the final result hope vs. despair and the machinations of Junko Enoshima. Shuichi's final plea is that despair is bad because it's suffering, hope is bad because the audience demands more, so the only way to truly end the killing game is for the audience to stop participating. Rewrites happen all the time as part of the normal development process. It's not something that they'd necessarily announce if they were happy with the final product. It's just a hunch though so I admit I could be talking out of my rear end. As for the final twist, having the whole thing be a game show is great but it creates a ton of questions that are never really addressed. For example, are the characters real people that are brainwashed? If so do you die for real if you're murdered? Why would you volunteer for that if the only prize is that you get to participate in the next killing game? Who is Tsumugi in all of this? Yes, she's basically the Ryan Seacrest of the show but does she have a home life? Does she get to go home between seasons? How did they find an actress willing to commit murder on live TV? Who's running this thing exactly? Is it legal? Where is this show taking place? Is the destroyed area around the academy an elaborate set? And so on, and so forth. DR is a series that's usually really good about these kind of details so the fact that they weren't addressed (and that there are lots of hints to the contrary) implies to me that the real life angle was added on later in production after a lot of the story had already been written. That's my crackpot theory on it anyways. BTW, just to be clear I think the game holds together well enough to be enjoyable. I just think some aspects weren't well executed and that the final chapter could have probably used one last draft.
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Oct 25, 2017 16:42
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Tired Moritz posted:Sjw boogeyman aaaaaaa i dont really care about what dumb poo poo he posts on twitter he sucks lol on topic: Is it confirmed any where that the epilogue is studio meddling or something? It really feels out of place. Dongicus fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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Oct 25, 2017 17:07
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readingatwork posted:Oh I loved that they finally found a way for the villain to not just be Junko again. That part was amazing and Tsumugi is a great villain. I just think the execution has some issues. Tsumugi mentions that the destroyed world is just a set, that they spent alot of money and time on making during the trial. The outside world is described as being perfectly peaceful and mundane, so DR exists in universe as a sort of way for people to get their bloodlust out by watching people murder eachother, makes sense why people would flock to be on it if their lives are so mundane and revolve around watching the show.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:13
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In addition, real Kaito implies that the winners become famous or something during his interview.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:26
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readingatwork posted:
Whole game spoilers There's a lot of in-game meta rewriting happening. Tsumugi is trying to build up to something and because of things going in ways she didn't plan (like Kokichi hijacking the exisals and pretending to be the mastermind) she keeps having to rewrite things. To keep everyone from just giving up on life she places them all as Hope's Peak students going up against Kokichi, a Remnant, even though that was never a memory he had and wasn't part of his intended backstory. When Shuichi finds the list of Gofer Project participants she suggests that Kaede's twin sister could be behind everything. They probably had a Kaede lookalike 'backstage' and if Shuichi had pressed that in the trial probably would have brainwashed her and brought her out as the mastermind. Instead, Tsumugi is cornered and tries to pretend to be Junko to go down the "it's Junko again!" road but Shuichi points out too many inconsistencies and so eventually Tsumugi just goes "gently caress it" and breaks the 4th wall because Shuichi poked holes in every single plot rewrite she could think of. Part of why I like the ending so much is enjoying how Tsumugi's control of the game's story gets derailed repeatedly and she can't get it back on no matter what she tries.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:28
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readingatwork posted:
Tsumugi says that she is the writer of Danganronpa and that she devoted her life to it during the trial. Team Danganronpa run the killing game and presumably try to justify it on the grounds that all the participants are "consenting". The ending is deliberately ambiguous on some level as Shuichi points out in the epilogue. You don't actually see the outside world so we can't know if Tsumugi is telling the truth or if she's a remnant of despair with an extremely elaborate scenario. But I think there are a lot of hints throughout the game that point towards backstories being manufactured (especially in free time events - Shuichi points out that Himiko obviously couldn't do any of what she claims to have done with her crippling lack of motivation, and that Kaito's story is very clearly not true even though he doesn't seem to be lying), so I'm sure that element is true and was always planned to be the case. I'm pretty sure Kokichi actually worked out the twist in advance judging from the evidence he gathered in his room and how he acts in chapters 4 and 5.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:29
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I didn't like how quickly the cast just stopped giving a gently caress about Kokichi after he died. It's really bizzare to see nobody really care about him. The game not bringing him up later is weird because of how much he embodies one of the games major themes. Not addressing that is really bad writing.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:46
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Dongicus posted:i dont really care about what dumb poo poo he posts on twitter Keebo saw some rubble moving, suggesting that the survivors were under there, and smiled when he saw that before he blew up the wall. If the epilogue was added later, then the scene before the credits was added later as well.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:49
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Dongicus posted:I didn't like how quickly the cast just stopped giving a gently caress about Kokichi after he died. It's really bizzare to see nobody really care about him. The game not bringing him up later is weird because of how much he embodies one of the games major themes. Not addressing that is really bad writing.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:49
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I mean, he did get Gonta killed. Nobody was going to get teary-eyed thinking about his sacrifice. A bigger question is, why doesn't Shiuichi get a little more upset about Maki conspiring to kill the entire cast?
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Oct 25, 2017 17:57
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I think he knew Miu was planning something though. Better Gonta than someone like Shuichi, plus he was acting in self defense, in a rather twisted way. Irony Be My Shield posted:You search his lab and room and talk about him a bunch in chapter 6 though? Sorry, I mean have the characters realise he wasn't this awful person and was just a stupid little kid trying to help everyone. They still shat on him even after his death.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:01
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The closest thing to a good thing Kokichi did was die, and even then he also got Kaito killed as a result. Kokichi is the third worst character in the series aside from Byakuya and Munakata 
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Oct 25, 2017 18:19
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Tsumugi mentions that the destroyed world is just a set, that they spent alot of money and time on making during the trial. drat I totally missed that. Thanks everyone for the breakdowns. That makes a lot more sense now.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:20
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Danaru posted:The closest thing to a good thing Kokichi did was die, and even then he also got Kaito killed as a result. Kokichi is the third worst character in the series aside from Byakuya and Munakata good lord that's an atrocious opinion
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Oct 25, 2017 18:24
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My favorite thing about Kokichi is that he took the statue of Rantaro to use as a room decoration. If he wanted to keep one to use as evidence it would have been easier to take the Ryoma one but no, he had to have Rantaro.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:40
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Danaru posted:The closest thing to a good thing Kokichi did was die, and even then he also got Kaito killed as a result. Kokichi is the third worst character in the series aside from Byakuya and Munakata That was Maki's fault
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Oct 25, 2017 19:14
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MonsterEnvy posted:That was Maki's fault If Kokichi didn't pull his whole "I'M THE MASTERMIND ALSO KAITO'S IN JAIL NOW" bullshit, Maki wouldn't have tried to kill him. Also she was completely justified in trying since he kept saying he was the drat mastermind, and killing him would end the game Maki Roll did nothing wrong
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Oct 25, 2017 19:45
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Danaru posted:If Kokichi didn't pull his whole "I'M THE MASTERMIND ALSO KAITO'S IN JAIL NOW" bullshit, Maki wouldn't have tried to kill him. Also she was completely justified in trying since he kept saying he was the drat mastermind, and killing him would end the game Actually, Maki wouldn't have tried to kill Kokichi if Tsumugi hadn't made that Flashback Light that made everyone think the game was about Hope vs. Despair. It's plain to see that plain old Tsumugi is ultimately to blame.
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Oct 25, 2017 20:14
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i've got my own question about chapter 5: did anyone else go through 95% of the trial convinced that both kaito and kokichi went into the squisher and the exisal was under elaborate autopilot instructions.
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Oct 25, 2017 20:35
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also chapter 5 spoilers: Was "strike-9" poison the actual name in Japanese, or is it a mistranslation of Strychnine?
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Oct 25, 2017 21:16
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Reveilled posted:also chapter 5 spoilers: Was "strike-9" poison the actual name in Japanese, or is it a mistranslation of Strychnine? The antidotes you see in the lab also have not-quite-right names ('harmlock' rather than 'hemlock', 'arsneak' rather than 'arsenic', 'night's hate' rather than 'nightshade'), so it seems to be intentional.
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Oct 25, 2017 21:41
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readingatwork posted:Oh I loved that they finally found a way for the villain to not just be Junko again. That part was amazing and Tsumugi is a great villain. I just think the execution has some issues. Going by the few interviews with series writer Kodaka, I'm satisfied with my view of the ending. Danganronpa isn't real, like at all. It's a video game and the audience is a proxy for the player. The Danganronpa community, and I mean the real life community, ravenously cosplays and creates fanfics about their favorite characters and rewrites the story changing who lives and dies. It's all a game, but on a meta-narrative level it's a game where the characters die for our enjoyment. I feel like the opening splash screens "THIS IS A WORK OF FICTION" and "DO NOT PIRATE THIS SOFTWARE," which are absolutely not in any of the other Danganronpa games, is evidence of this. In an interview with Kodaka he has a kind of passive aggressive response to a question about the fanbase saying that he's the "master of Danganronpa" and wants to do something else after working on it for 7 years. This is his plea to the audience: hope vs. despair is played out. The post credits scene is Shuichi recognizing a brighter future beyond the horizon, a literal hole into the real world as the camera zooms out from a birds eye view. And even if you were to take it at face value, it's the 53rd season of a television show. It's going to get stale and repetitive. Look at soap operas that have been running for decades like the infamous Dallas shower scene. Tsumugi is a copycat, one who takes her role very seriously, but her only goal is putting on an entertaining game. And that's what triggers Shuichi to battle Keebo. he wants to reject a happy ending. He wants to stop the game by making the audience bored of it. That's my interpretation but I'm also a huge fan of postmodern narratives. Like Metal Gear Solid 2 is still one of my favorite games and there's more than enough comparisons you can make to it. al-azad fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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Oct 25, 2017 22:20
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al-azad posted:This is his plea to the audience: hope vs. despair is played out.
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Oct 25, 2017 22:27
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Venuz Patrol posted:i've got my own question about chapter 5: did anyone else go through 95% of the trial convinced that both kaito and kokichi went into the squisher and the exisal was under elaborate autopilot instructions. Honestly its weird that it ended with Kaito leaving the Exisal and Shuichis logic being totally right. There are a lot of fun ways it could have gone after the vote, like Kaito revealing yeah, Kokichi climbed up onto the press and then we waited 2 minutes for him to die of poison before restarting the press and the camera. Whoops Monokuma you got it wrong. . Or if they never left the mech then after the vote Kokichi could have left the exisal and explained how he pressed the emergency stop and then restarted the press and never turned off the camera at all. Basically, there was no way for Monokuma to know what happened and they were surprisingly bad about leveraging that. The evidence fit any of the 4 possibilities, and since Kokichi was involved he could definitely have done extra pointless things to mislead the detectiving.
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Oct 25, 2017 23:02
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al-azad posted:I feel like the opening splash screens "THIS IS A WORK OF FICTION" and "DO NOT PIRATE THIS SOFTWARE," which are absolutely not in any of the other Danganronpa games, is evidence of this. If I recall they actually have that at the beginning of Ultra Despair Girls too.
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Oct 25, 2017 23:20
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Haifisch posted:Are there even that many fans who are really into DR for the hope vs despair thing and not the characters/mysteries? I always viewed hope & despair as cheesy excuses for why the plot happened, not the big draw to the game. It's the backbone of the series. The entire anime is devoted to explaining how a teenage girl brought the world to its knees and how the heroes flip it completely around by believing in the remnants' redemption. Qrr posted:Honestly its weird that it ended with Kaito leaving the Exisal and Shuichis logic being totally right. There are a lot of fun ways it could have gone after the vote, like Kaito revealing yeah, Kokichi climbed up onto the press and then we waited 2 minutes for him to die of poison before restarting the press and the camera. Whoops Monokuma you got it wrong. . Or if they never left the mech then after the vote Kokichi could have left the exisal and explained how he pressed the emergency stop and then restarted the press and never turned off the camera at all. In that case Maki would be the blackened and per the rules she would live and everyone die. Even if Monokuma got it wrong, there's nothing in the rules that says "this game is null and void, oops." And Kaito was on the verge of death, it was better for him to admit he was the blackened for Maki's sake. The point of the trial was to prove the game is a sham and the mastermind isn't omnipotent. This coming after everyone has mentally checked out.
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Blaine the Train posted:If I recall they actually have that at the beginning of Ultra Despair Girls too. You're right about the software piracy warning, but the "fiction" screen is only in this game. Seriously the best moment after the credits was when the splash screens looped around and I almost threw my Vita across the room like "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!"
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