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Alder posted:Does DRv3 pick up after case 1? I'm struggling to focus on clearing the game several months later and all. i found the first two cases to be mediocre but it picks up in a big way for case three
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Alder posted:Does DRv3 pick up after case 1? I'm struggling to focus on clearing the game several months later and all. Finish case 1
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Dec 21, 2017 22:47
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Also for DR2, it took me until the start of case 2 to get into it. the beginning was very jarring. especially playing it right after dr1.
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Dec 21, 2017 22:48
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On DR3 case 3, it seemed like Korekiyo was going to claim that Tenko was possessed by Angie and then killed herself. I thought that's where his constant talk about the seance failing was going but he never really tried that out. Was that just me who thought he would try to make it go that way?
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Dec 21, 2017 22:59
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I found it very hard to like Nagito in DR2 because I pretty much concluded that he was a brainwashed Makoto from the very first meeting (on account of his name being an anagram of "I am Makoto Naegi" in Japanese and having the same voice actor and the same talent), and so I misinterpreted every piece of his character development as the writers needlessly drawing out the "reveal" that I was sure was coming. I held that belief right up until Makoto himself actually showed up, at which point I felt more pissed off at the writers for dropping in what appeared to be a massive red herring right from the very start. Maybe that's on me a little but I wish they hadn't set it up like that.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:16
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That is completely and entirely on you, buddy
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Dec 21, 2017 23:19
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Terper posted:That is completely and entirely on you, buddy I don't think it's entirely on me, the developers have outright stated that the things I mentioned were deliberate misdirection. Partly me for falling for it hook line and sinker but it wasn't like I was seeing something that wasn't meant to be there.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:28
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I thought they said the name anagram was a coincidence?Venuz Patrol posted:i found the first two cases to be mediocre but it picks up in a big way for case three  DR games are always a bit of a slow burn. The start of a new game isn't going to grab you as much as the full arc of an old game simply because of how the story arcs are set up.
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Haifisch posted:I thought they said the name anagram was a coincidence? A coincidence inside the Dangan Ronpa universe, I'm pretty sure they meant. They've certainly said they chose the name on purpose. https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/238707/Murder_school_Crafting_Danganronpa_to_surprise_players.php Kazutaka Kodaka posted:So you know, the character -- I don't know if it's necessarily an anagram in English, but if you move the characters [in "Nagito Komaeda"] around, it's "Naegi Makoto da." [Ed. note: meaning "It's Makoto Naegi," who is the protagonist of the original game.]
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Dec 21, 2017 23:38
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I liked the twist that Nagito was actually a good character instead of Naegi.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:38
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Nagito loving sucks, also Kokichi is above and beyond the worst character in V3, also Mondo Oowada is literally the worst character in fiction and I think less of anyone who likes him  It's Hot Take hour on Jabberwock Island and I'm serving them up fresh
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Dec 21, 2017 23:46
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You know I thought "oh yeah DR2 is like always, consistently better than DR1" but in replaying it holy poo poo is Case 2 stupid and bad, and also Hiyoko is The loving Worst on a level unlike anyone else in the series. It feels like every instant of playing 1 or 2 I'm constantly going "man I sure wish this were V3 instead of this game." Dangan Ronpa V3 is really good all.
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alcharagia posted:You know I thought "oh yeah DR2 is like always, consistently better than DR1" but in replaying it holy poo poo is Case 2 stupid and bad, and also Hiyoko is The loving Worst on a level unlike anyone else in the series. It feels like every instant of playing 1 or 2 I'm constantly going "man I sure wish this were V3 instead of this game." Dangan Ronpa V3 is really good all. I dunno, Hiyoko's still in V3, she just started pretending to be a witch, not sure it's an improvement really.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:55
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Xad posted:I dunno, Hiyoko's still in V3, she just started pretending to be a witch, not sure it's an improvement really. Hiyoko simply defused back into Tenko and Himiko for V3, that's why Tenko keeps trying to get back together with her
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Dec 22, 2017 00:01
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I like Himiko because I too am a lazy piece of poo poo.
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Xad posted:I dunno, Hiyoko's still in V3, she just started pretending to be a witch, not sure it's an improvement really. I completely forgot the witch was even a character, let alone she survived to the end.
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I thought V3's first case was the best first case of the series. It definitely pulled me in, especially the trial.
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Dec 22, 2017 00:21
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I saw her and immediately went "aw gently caress we have to solve a magic trick"
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Dec 22, 2017 00:22
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Xad posted:I dunno, Hiyoko's still in V3, she just started pretending to be a witch, not sure it's an improvement really. Don't insult Himiko like that, please. Danaru posted:Hiyoko simply defused back into Tenko and Himiko for V3, that's why Tenko keeps trying to get back together with her The only thing Mahiru was worthwhile for in the entire series is the conversation in postgame V3 where she and Tenko talk about how much boys suck and Mahiru's like "haha yeah boys suck" and Tenko is like "yes kill all degenerate males" and Mahiru is like 
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https://twitter.com/DRasvines__/status/943976244374327297 It's MAGIC
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I thought V3's first case was the best first case of the series. It definitely pulled me in, especially the trial. I think it might have been better if it happened later. I think the whole thing with "Kaede should have lived!" at the end was a bit presumptuous for an off the cuff comment. I mean I liked her because she was a female protagonist and she was cute, but it's not like she'd really had much time to establish a personality. Most of it comes from either free time events that you'd have to be on a second playthrough (or absurdly meticulous) to know about, or the reveals from the end. The whole first case kinda put me off the game, in that I felt a bit... Cheated? Like they rushed things. The reveal with "Woah, Nagito is off his rocker" engaged me more because we had an idea of what he was like, if only partially because he seemed to be a lot like Naegi, and then we got to deal with what he was ACTUALLY like. I don't think V3 is actively BAD (like I thought DR3 is bad and bring up whenever I get the chance  ) but I don't think it really reaches the same heights the other games do. The end game sequence is my favorite of the three games, so maybe it leaves people feeling more positively disposed towards it as a whole if they feel the same way. 
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Dec 22, 2017 01:16
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You say that comment is presumptuous, but they sure presumed right...
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This thing from the sound track should remind people why V3 is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRLZn28a77c (this mechanic was fantastic and was the highlight of every trial, no matter how flimsy the pretext)
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Climax reasoning made me cry 
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Cuntellectual posted:I think it might have been better if it happened later. I think the whole thing with "Kaede should have lived!" at the end was a bit presumptuous for an off the cuff comment. I mean I liked her because she was a female protagonist and she was cute, but it's not like she'd really had much time to establish a personality. Most of it comes from either free time events that you'd have to be on a second playthrough (or absurdly meticulous) to know about, or the reveals from the end. The whole first case kinda put me off the game, in that I felt a bit... Cheated? Like they rushed things. (spoilers through ch1 still) I like Shuichi, and I really like his development through the course of the game - he's probably the best written of the protagonists. But it does feel pretty disingenuous that they centred so much of the advertising around Kaede and having a female protagonist for the first time and then immediately killed her off, especially since the games have a history of killing female characters to further the development of their male leads. Given how few people survive this game I'm not too upset about it in retrospect, but it's still a writing decision that they made.
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I GOT A ROCK HARD RAGER
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Crossposting this from the general games thread now that I can post here without worrying about spoilers:cheetah7071 posted:I've been thinking about the ending a bit more and there's a few ways the villain's story doesn't add up. Combined with the weird lines that even the characters notice, I think there's a solid case to be made that the story as presented isn't actually what's going on, at least not in its entirety. The inconsistencies, off the top of my head: Someone in that thread gave some answers I wasn't satisfied with. I don't buy the expansion that Kaede was cosplayable because she wasn't fictional. Her actor wasn't fictional but Kaede, the person who wore those clothes, was. They also said the flashback lights have competence in the ultimate abilities but I remember Tsumugi saying the exact opposite of that.
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About talents: Miu and Angie's talents were probably faked. If you think about how Angie's talent functions (she makes sure no-one's watching, locks the doors then supposedly creates her art in a fugue state with no control over it) it would be very easy for the organizers to slip whatever she's supposedly making into the room while she's blacked out. I think this is why Kokichi took Rantaro's effigy. Similarly Miu creates her inventions by pulling 'all-nighters' and is a strong believer in doing things while asleep, so they could use the same trick there (which I think is how the blueprints worked - they were just things the organizers had ready built beforehand).
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Yeah some things fall into place if things are more scripted then I had assumed. My read was Tsumugi established the setting and characters but beyond that it was more reality TV where the interactions were unplanned. That's why she had to rely on blunt instruments like the motives. I also just remembered the necronomicon. It's possible that things were scripted enough that there was no chance it would ever be used but if it was less scripted they'd need a plan for that and I have no idea what it would be.
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Hiyoko owns and I refuse to hear any slander against her Case 2-3 spoilers: Having her get killed off when she was in the middle of resolving her character arc with Mahiru gone was real fuckin' bad though
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Irony Be My Shield posted:About talents: Miu and Angie's talents were probably faked. If you think about how Angie's talent functions (she makes sure no-one's watching, locks the doors then supposedly creates her art in a fugue state with no control over it) it would be very easy for the organizers to slip whatever she's supposedly making into the room while she's blacked out. I think this is why Kokichi took Rantaro's effigy. Interesting ideas, but given the powerful talents you can't fake as well because they happened right in front of everyone, like Keebo's and Ryoma's, I don't know why they would need to fake Miu and Angie. I think the detail you point out about Miu working during sleep is interesting though.
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cheetah7071 posted:Crossposting this from the general games thread now that I can post here without worrying about spoilers: Gonna be honest, I'd be surprised if the cospox thing was actually real. It sounds like a thing preplanned by her so that the class trial wouldn't keep starting with "but what if it was Tsumugi disguised as them" as well as a way to alleviate suspicion from her generally, I can imagine it's something either scripted or she can activate herself when needed. The way she's very forceful about proving it to Kaede makes me think it was really something she wanted to show off early.
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Tir McDohl posted:Interesting ideas, but given the powerful talents you can't fake as well because they happened right in front of everyone, like Keebo's and Ryoma's, I don't know why they would need to fake Miu and Angie. I think the detail you point out about Miu working during sleep is interesting though. Pretty sure Keebo is in fact a robot, but as people point out being a human level robot is impressive for the roboticist and not so impressive for the robot. And does Ryoma actually do Tennis on screen? Qrr fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Qrr posted:Pretty sure Keebo is in fact a robot, but as people point out being a human level robot is impressive for the roboticist and not so impressive for the robot. And does Ryoma actually do Tennis on screen? I was mostly referring to Ryoma's flash step, but I guess that is not necessarily because of his tennis skills Still, kind of a crazy anime skill to have if he's not supposed to actually be talented
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Got this for Christmas. I liked the ending, it did neat things to my suspension of disbelief. I think that getting the "this is a completely separate continuity from the first two games" caveat before you start playing is critical, because otherwise you have to digest that on top of the "this is fictional" twist. And the meta nature of that feels like it walks a razor's edge even so. The game also gets points for continuing the "it's always Junko, even when it isn't" gag, which I am unreasonably fond of. Miscellaneous commentary on stuff: I had been spoiled on Rantaro's talent by accident, so I was expecting him to stick around for way longer, but nope!  Personally, I really enjoyed Kokichi's wacky antics. Up until the fourth trial most of his interfering seemed to be just to mess with everybody a bit, without any real intent to sabotage the proceedings. Sometimes he made genuine attempts to help in the guise of his usual messing around, like the Insect Meet and Greet a.k.a. the second-funniest moment in the main game. He and Komaeda were good, complex characters in different rights, but the fact that he wasn't actually out to screw everyone over made him a big improvement in terms of likeability to me. I haven't seen anyone else mention the moment after one of the earlier executions where he said something like "happy or sad, hit the reset button on your feelings and you'll feel better right away!" Thinking about what that meant about his behavior gave me a few seconds of pause. Not a lot of talk about the Key of Love, which is honestly a great call on you guys' part. I was apprehensively curious about it and got it pretty soon after the casino area opened, only to immediately regret it when Monobear gave the explanation, only to unregret it when the first character it picked was Ryoma and all that happened was ~*tender hand-holding*~. 
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Bloody Emissary posted:Miscellaneous commentary on stuff:  Yeah, that was pretty illuminating, especially since that's literally what Shuichi makes him do right before Kaede's execution. Then he says that line in the post-execution scene.
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Realistically Kokichi letting Gonta kill is worse than anything Nagito actually does, though Nagito wanting to start killing in 2-1 is of course the craziest thing either of them do. Nagito wanting to kill off the entire class when he learns the truth is totally fair given that the Ultimate Despair are insanely evil and dangerous, worse than Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. I think after chapter 1 Nagito did nothing wrong even if as it turns out ending the killing game would have been the worst possible outcome (how could he have known tho)
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V3 chapter 3 i thought the magic show in c2 and the seance in c3 were done super well. I was really tense while both of the were happening wondering what was going to happen. The seance was actually p spooky imo
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Any time any videogame tries to do multiple characters singing (localised lyrics) while recording all characters' dialogue separately it completely ruins my ability to take events seriously. I don't know why writers would try to do this.
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Some quality content: https://youtu.be/uWn0FHImVFU
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