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Fair. It implies other UDs were either dead, given different info, or incapable of figuring out what shuichi figures out, but that all can work.
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Interesting detail found while replaying Chapter 6: one of the audience members says they've "waited three years for this," which is probably a nod to the period between the releases of UDG and V3, but that implies there's also a significant gap between killing games in-universe. I wonder what happened to Rantaro between the previous season and V3. Did they just lock him up until the next game? No Wave posted:Clearly something went off the rails, and Keebo's malfunction was part of what went wrong for Tsumugi. What made succhi choose neither hope nor despair when no one else in previous seasons would? Was the reveal that DR was a show something she only did in the special Keebo season? She seems surprised by Shuichi's actions as well as the audience's choice, so no other UD ever thought to do this before... what made Shuichi special? Was being the weakest UD ever, and needing to lean on Kaito, a part of it? Shuichi says as much during the trial, yeah. I guess there also wasn't anybody in the previous seasons who cared about ending the game enough to reject both options on the off-chance that the audience would end it after their suicides, or maybe they weren't fully convinced that the audience existed or would respond to that kind of tactic. The audience participation gimmick meant that the "hope or despair" vote would answer those questions, after all, and it wasn't present in any of the previous killing games.
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v3>1>2>>the anime>hangmans gambit>ultra despair girls e: the nagito OVA was good
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They were so annoying but the Monotaro/Monophanie subplot was hilarious to me for some reason. Mostly the idea of each of the students watching this in their dorm room and having no idea what to think, it's so inappropriate to their circumstances in so many ways.
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No Wave posted:They were so annoying but the Monotaro/Monophanie subplot was hilarious to me for some reason. Mostly the idea of each of the students watching this in their dorm room and having no idea what to think, it's so inappropriate to their circumstances in so many ways. Especially with Himiko getting way into it
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kidcoelacanth posted:I've had the Monokubs BGM on repeat for a solid day now ONE
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IS ALL THAT REMAINS OF A ONCE POWERFUL NATION SHOWTIME! Easily the best song in the entire series. Monokub segments would go on for far longer than they should just so I could listen to it
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:What is this Nagito OVA? A twenty-minute "episode" that came with the limited edition of V3. You can watch it with English subs here.
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Bloody Emissary posted:A twenty-minute "episode" that came with the limited edition of V3. You can watch it with English subs here. So I watched this and, I guess this makes more sense if you've seen the anime? Because I've only played the games and didn't really understand any of that.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:So I watched this and, I guess this makes more sense if you've seen the anime? Because I've only played the games and didn't really understand any of that. You don't need to know much about the anime, aside from a few cameos from there. For an explanation: This is set between the end of DR2, and the final episode of the anime, where the DR2 characters were revealed to have all gotten out of the Neo World Program. This was all a dream of Nagito's, preventing him from waking up. Hajime sent in an Alter-ego version of himself as Izuru to snap him out of it. Everyone then boards the ship that takes them from the real Jabberwock island to the setting of the final episode of the anime. The only things that watching the anime might clarify are Hiyoko grew up during the two years that they were there, Hajime woke everyone up from the Neo World program (though the anime only mentioned it, this showed how he did it), why they are getting on a boat, and that Nagito's left hand, which he had replaced with Junko's hand, has now been swapped out with a robotic hand
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Something that really disappointed me with the end of DR2 was that the whole "you guys mutilated yourselves in reall hosed up ways" never really paid off. The worst anyone got was Nagito's hand replacement and a missing eye. I was really expecting them to just be hosed up when they reached the other side.
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I wouldn't pay attention to DR3 or that OVA. Revealing that the DR2 class 2 was brainwashed undermines the whole reason for DR2 to exist, there was no reason to have the class bond in the friendship simulator if rolling back their memories would have been sufficient to make them normal. DR2 implies that their characters were fundamentally flawed and the friendship simulator was needed to make their psychologies safe to have in the world (chapter 2, we see that the class was responsible for multiple murders at HP before Junko was a thing). Confession i haven't watched either and turned that OVA off after five minutes because everyone besides mikan was boring No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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I vaguely recall hearing Kodaka didn't write DR3, just supervised it, so maybe that's why it fell under the rule of "all danganronpa EU material is awful beyond words".
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Cuntellectual posted:I vaguely recall hearing Kodaka didn't write DR3, just supervised it, so maybe that's why it fell under the rule of "all danganronpa EU material is awful beyond words". A lot of it is awful, but that's unfair to DR0 and DR:If. And maybe DR:Kirigiri, but I haven't been keeping up with that.
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fractalairduct posted:A lot of it is awful, but that's unfair to DR0 and DR:If. And maybe DR:Kirigiri, but I haven't been keeping up with that. I kind of include if as being part of DR2, or you can say it's the exception that proves the rule. I didn't particularly like DR0, though. Roth posted:DR:IF owns and is why Mukuro is one of my favs I liked her characterization in it a lot more than in DR3, that's for sure!
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Something that just occurred to me WRT the chapter 1 twist in V3. Danganronpa has a really bad habit of killing off female leads/love interests for major characters, doesn't it? Kirigiri lives, but Chiaki dies *twice* and Kaede dies in V3. Arguably Chisa could count if you'd consider her a female lead for the prequel part of DR3. Maizono is a borderline example, too, as she's set up as being the female lead. I guess Mukuro in DR IF lives, too? In hindsight, maybe Kaede getting fridged wasn't as unexpected a twist as the writers thought it'd be.
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It's pretty easy to expect something in hindsight, that's for sure.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's pretty easy to expect something in hindsight, that's for sure. Fine, 'maybe it wasn't as unprecedented as the writers thought it would be.'. Happy?
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No Wave posted:i don't think "unprecedented" is a writing goal I once read a thing about the ending to the US version of the TV show Life on Mars, where the american writers apparently told the guy who wrote the British version "there's a twist you'll never see coming" and the original writer pointed out that a surprise isn't always pleasant. And then of course it was like the worst twist ever, so.
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I thought the Chapter 1 reveal was really stupid and disappointing, but I'm sure that particular point has been debated endlessly since the game came out.
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About the V3CH1 twist: I'm a big fan of unreliable narrators so it is pretty hard to sneak one past me. She could hang out with anyone from the beginning, already had multiple people crushing on her and something horrible happens to your sidekick in the first chapter of these games, but the narrative was screaming it wasn't Shuichi even though it had to be him or Kaede. I really wanted the trap to have been set up by Miu's drone but accusing her didn't work, so I sighed and resigned myself to losing my fun and optimistic MC.  The twist makes for what is probably the strongest moment of pathos in the game and it is all downhill from there until, like, the very end. I appreciate it because it is a hell of a motivation for the MC but I'm still disappointed by it.
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Is there any special dialogue if you make any decisons in chapter one based on what you find out at the end of the game?
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Nope. You can't make any special callouts or accusations.
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No Wave posted:i don't think "unprecedented" is a writing goal Every DR game starts with turning your expectations about on their head in a major way. Killing off the apparent lead counts, but I just thought about how when it comes to main trios, 2 of the guys (Sakakura in DR3 and Kaito in V3) died and one of the girls (Kirigiri) lived. You can count Nagito as dying in DR2, but I personally don't as he doesn't ACTUALLY die anyways. Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset about how PROBLEMATIC this is or how SEXIST Kodaka is. I just think it's kind of disappointing.
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Uhh I'm not sure what your point is, because Maki lives in V3 and both Kirigiri and Togami survived in DR1. There's gonna be some stuff to pick apart in the writing (Kiyo is a pretty obvious example) but I'm not sure survivor gender ratio is a really important one.
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Le epic early mindfuck isn't delivered for its own sake. It's to disorient the player as much as the characters are disoriented, and I think all three games do an excellent job as that (in DR3 I didn't think there was an actual mastermind until chapter 6 - I discarded the idea entirely). The games are about telling a nice story. Pointing out that cute girls die in the games doesn't really indicate anything... and yes, it's generally upsetting when they do die. No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:Uhh I'm not sure what your point is, because Maki lives in V3 and both Kirigiri and Togami survived in DR1. Does Maki even count as one of the main characters in V3? She never actually... Does anything. Kaede dies in chapter 1 and still manages to do a lot more. She's only barely more important than the other girl who survived whose name I can't even be bothered to remember. Like I said, my point isn't about how problematic the survivor gender ratio is per say. It's more articulating part of why I didn't like V3 as much as the first two games, because it's not as clear to me as why I think the anime is utter garbage. Tired Moritz posted:i wished togami died tbh Well, Kodaka DID say he tended to prefer to kill off characters he liked, so maybe the writing staff agrees with you. 
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Considering she has important roles in every chapter except 1 and 4? Yeah, I'd say she's a main character. She's a suspect in chapters 2 and 5, heavily contributes to the investigation in 3, and 6 is again obvious.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Considering she has important roles in every chapter except 1 and 4? Yeah, I'd say she's a main character. She's a suspect in chapters 2 and 5, heavily contributes to the investigation in 3, and 6 is again obvious. I put her more on the level of Gundam or Aoi in that she's relevant for a number of chapters but only ever particularly key in one or two; Which is to say, she's not unimportant or just there for laughs like witch girl or Souda but also not one of the characters the game is most centered on. You can argue that and I won't entirely disagree with you or anything, but she's more background noise in my memory. When someone does an LP here, maybe I'll change my mind.  On a different V3 note, are there any characters who people changed their mind about after going through their free time events? I ended up liking a few characters more in 1 and 2 after doing all their events, but didn't really see most of them for V3. That probably contributed to my negative view on most of the cast, but I also didn't feel compelled to see any of them.
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Cuntellectual posted:On a different V3 note, are there any characters who people changed their mind about after going through their free time events? I ended up liking a few characters more in 1 and 2 after doing all their events, but didn't really see most of them for V3. That probably contributed to my negative view on most of the cast, but I also didn't feel compelled to see any of them. Tenko's events made me dislike her even more than I already did. Especially when you get to the "reason" she hate guys and it's the stupidest loving thing.
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Cuntellectual posted:On a different V3 note, are there any characters who people changed their mind about after going through their free time events? I ended up liking a few characters more in 1 and 2 after doing all their events, but didn't really see most of them for V3. That probably contributed to my negative view on most of the cast, but I also didn't feel compelled to see any of them. Miu's events definitely endeared me to her, and actually getting her underwear during the last FTE was hilarious. I was sort-of-fond of Angie before hers, despite the cult stuff, but afterward? Ehh.
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Recent chat reminded me of this fanart piece I find hilarious (Spoilers for all games and the anime)
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Cuntellectual posted:I put her more on the level of Gundam or Aoi in that she's relevant for a number of chapters but only ever particularly key in one or two; Which is to say, she's not unimportant or just there for laughs like witch girl or Souda but also not one of the characters the game is most centered on. I found Himiko bland on my initial playthrough, but her FTEs made her rather endearing to me so I'm glad she ultimately lived. And regarding Maki, I think even if she doesn't "do" anything, I'd totally put her as a main character. She's one of the only characters that gets a real character arc, even if most of it is contained in a stereotypical anime romance with Kaito that Shuichi just happens to play witness to. But she comes out of a self-imposed shell, has a compelling backstory, gets to experience her universe being ripped asunder, you know the usual stuff .
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I want to hang out in this thread but I'm at the end of the first game and literally everything is a spoiler.
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Pegnose Pete posted:I want to hang out in this thread but I'm at the end of the first game and literally everything is a spoiler. Run away! Or hurry and finish everything so you can join us.
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