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Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I thank God every day that KG3 continues to be a good sleeper, and am praying to that same God that when we have #2 that they are also a good sleeper.

Our kids rolled the Good Sleeper, Meh Eater, Bad Pooper attributes. The eating and potty stuff isn’t ideal but it’s much easier to face on a full night’s sleep.

A coworker’s kids rolled the opposite and she’s on 3+ years of bad sleep. The Good Eater attribute compounds the issue because the kids wake up demanding a 2am snack.

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Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
My first kid was a bad sleeper and still can’t make it a whole night in his own bed and my second kid is an awful sleeper!

The rate at which kids are turning my beard white is astounding.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

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Cat Army Sworn Enemy
My first kid was a terrible sleeper so we said, surely that means #2 will be better right?

#2 is even worse

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
I am a champion sleeper so I assume it's just good genetics :agesilaus:

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

My kid is a very good sleeper with the caveat that he’ll occasionally “wake up” and go balls out nuclear with rage. I used quotation marks because he isn’t really aware of his surroundings and it can be very difficult to snap him out of it, after which he goes from anger inferno to normal sad (sad about whatever was bugging him but also discomfort from screaming and writhing for 15 minutes to 2 hours, which is perfectly understandable)

All in all, I think we’re pretty lucky.

Lord Of Texas
Dec 26, 2006

Paying for the Good Sleeper trait at character creation uses up the rest of your attribute points. And is still the easy choice

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD
The epidemiologist i like posted a news segment he did regarding tylenol and autism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eedmplt5xeI

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011

Hadlock posted:

:same:

the fact that #1 was a good sleeper is largely why we are having #2

Naramyth posted:

The fools babby

I am the true fool because I foster kids and they multiply at my house whether or not my husband and I ever see each other or sleep even a single hour

I have a newborn and a thirteen year old and they are both the loving worst cockblocks. One sleeps noisily next to my ear and the other one yells like a hyena through the walls.

The toddlers sleep like angels :sparkles:

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Our 22 month old got frustrated during circle time at daycare, picked up his chair and threw it, hitting one of his classmates.

I'm told this is within the bounds of normal for 2, but I'm still worried. He doesn't have a sibling at home where we can stop this kind of behavior and model better behavior. And we talk a lot about gentle touches at home, but he's two and how much sticks is impossible to know.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Do you believe your kid threw the chair at the other kid on purpose? I think that’s pretty unlikely from what I observe of our 20 month old and his classmates. Sometimes they get excited or upset and they’re all just learning to pick things up and throw them so sometimes someone catches a book or a truck or whatever. If it’s just that kinda thing I wouldn’t worry about it.

We are trying to set boundaries around what can be thrown and what cannot but honestly for a 1-2 year old it’s gonna seem intensely arbitrary, boring, and difficult to remember.

Lord Of Texas
Dec 26, 2006

My 2 y/o hasn't thrown a chair at anyone but I wouldn't put it past her.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Spikes32 posted:

Our 22 month old got frustrated during circle time at daycare, picked up his chair and threw it, hitting one of his classmates.

I'm told this is within the bounds of normal for 2, but I'm still worried. He doesn't have a sibling at home where we can stop this kind of behavior and model better behavior. And we talk a lot about gentle touches at home, but he's two and how much sticks is impossible to know.

This seems like super normal 22 month old behavior. They call it the “terrible twos” both for the ferocious tantrums and the absolute lack of empathy. They now have a tiny toddler primate strength and enormous emotions. I would expect even a 35 month old (not quite 3) to get upset and throw chairs, but obviously at that point there would be a lot more language development and realization that they could hurt their classmates.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
So my kid apparently picked up the chair, hit the kid with it, then threw it. The teacher said it was more impulsive than anger, and that they were sorry after they realized the other kid was hurt. But yeah. Fun times.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Do you believe your kid threw the chair at the other kid on purpose? I think that’s pretty unlikely from what I observe of our 20 month old and his classmates. Sometimes they get excited or upset and they’re all just learning to pick things up and throw them so sometimes someone catches a book or a truck or whatever. If it’s just that kinda thing I wouldn’t worry about it.

We are trying to set boundaries around what can be thrown and what cannot but honestly for a 1-2 year old it’s gonna seem intensely arbitrary, boring, and difficult to remember.

i have a pretty epic video where it's story time and my daughter is facing left and the other girl is facing right and the other girl is... i dunno dancing? whatever 2yo do. she bumps my daughter once, nearly knocking her over, oblivious, and 5 seconds later does it again. the third time my daughter goes Goku and turns around and shoves her to the ground in a rage. someday I'll Photoshop a "WASTED" GTA3 thing over it and make the final shove slow mo

anyways long story short, yeah little kids are the ultimate tiny drunk people, they live in their own world, they probably thought it was cool to throw the thing; that a human was in the way didn't even register with them, and it won't next time either

a lot of research has gone into this, there's little to no point in giving them time out before they're N years old. i think 3yo is the absolute lower limit and that's probably a stretch

TL;DR if they're still making GBS threads their own pants multiple times a day, let it go

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD
Chairs are not for throwing. OUCH! Throwing hurts.

What can we do instead?

Go tell the teacher
Call them a bitch
Drink a cold drink
Get a hug


Mmm. That feels better.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Sep 24, 2025

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

CarForumPoster posted:

Chairs are not for throwing. OUCH! Throwing hurts.

What can we do instead?

Go tell the teacher
Call them a bitch
Drink a cold drink
Get a hug


Mmm. That feels better.

Checks out, this lines up perfectly with some of my old jobs

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Spikes32 posted:

So my kid apparently picked up the chair, hit the kid with it, then threw it. The teacher said it was more impulsive than anger, and that they were sorry after they realized the other kid was hurt. But yeah. Fun times.

Honestly as long as they feel bad or go through the process of learning what they did is wrong and do the appropriate motions it’s totally fine.

Meanwhile KG3 thinks physical injury is the height of comedy. I bashed my shin carrying him the other day and yelled ouch, which he repeated with great glee while laughing. An old lady did a face plant getting off the bus in front of us and he laughed in her face.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

CarForumPoster posted:

Chairs are not for throwing. OUCH! Throwing hurts.

What can we do instead?

Go tell the teacher
Call them a bitch
Drink a cold drink
Get a hug


Mmm. That feels better.



:perfect:

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"
generally they are just modeling behavior they see at home, my wife and i had to stop throwing chairs at each other as a result but sometimes miss it

incidentally you can buy pro wrestler leotards for toddlers - we send him to gymnstics in one that has a werewolf howling at the moon that says "beast mode"

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
My older son was a challenge in the months leading up to his fourth birthday. Lots of yelling, tantrums, throwing, hitting, and biting. As suddenly as it started it ended pretty much right at his fourth birthday.

I think he was anxious about changing classes at day care and his birthday party.

The twos were super easy. The terrible twos were not a thing at all for him, but 3 was hard, especially the second half of it. There was a period of time where my wife and I had to look at photos of him from the 2s to remind us we did actually like him.

Now he’s back to being mostly pleasant and a joy to have around and I don’t have to remind himself daily that I do love my son.

I guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t overthink or get worked up over a thrown chair.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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I remember in preschool I got mad that they told me I had to stop sniffing the little empty bottle of vanilla extract in the kitchen playset and help Nicholas clean up the Big Wooden Blocks so I took one of the big wooden blocks and smashed Nicholas in the teeth with it. That was not a good day for anyone.

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

JoseVI celebrated his 4th birthday by having an epic meltdown at daycare that involved throwing chairs and hitting the teacher

He chilled the gently caress out from having frequent meltdowns shortly after that (for now, his 5th birthday is next week so we'll see what wild poo poo he's going to do for that)

Emily Spinach
Oct 20, 2010

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It’s 🌿Garland🌿!😯😯😯 No…🙅 I am become😤 😈CHAOS👿! MMMMH😋 GHAAA😫
Our oldest just turned 4, and I've heard that described as "the loving fours" (as in, you hear about terrible twos and threenagers, but nobody warns you about the loving fours). I can also see her becoming more... mature? Self aware? Something like that, though. It's fascinating.

It's also interesting watching her develop something like empathy. The 2 yo vomited the other night (...all over me, which explains how I feel today), and big sister was relating it to the last time she had a stomach bug and learned how to throw up in a bucket. I asked her to grab a bucket and she got one that was actually useful.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Thanks for the stories and advice all, it really really helps. This is our first little, and he's got some history that makes me really nervous about possible long term emotional regulation issues

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees

CarForumPoster posted:

Chairs are not for throwing. OUCH! Throwing hurts.

What can we do instead?

Go tell the teacher
Call them a bitch
Drink a cold drink
Get a hug


Mmm. That feels better.



Also double post because this deserves it

:perfect:

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Emily Spinach posted:

Our oldest just turned 4, and I've heard that described as "the loving fours" (as in, you hear about terrible twos and threenagers, but nobody warns you about the loving fours).

We prefer the Fascist Fours. Ours has tantrums and whines as much as the POTUS.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Mad Wack posted:

generally they are just modeling behavior they see at home, my wife and i had to stop throwing chairs at each other as a result but sometimes miss it

incidentally you can buy pro wrestler leotards for toddlers - we send him to gymnstics in one that has a werewolf howling at the moon that says "beast mode"

You can't just say this and not link it

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Hadlock posted:

I'm curious to see if the AMA, who, etc endorses this

narrator: WHO did not endorse the Tylenol-autism link

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

Xand_Man posted:

You can't just say this and not link it

your wish is my command :D


when he was a baby we had him in this


what's the point of being a parent if you can't dress your kids in awesome outfits

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Do they come in adult sizes? My, uh, friend would like to know.

E: gently caress yeah, they do!

Elissimpark fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Sep 25, 2025

midori-a-gogo
Feb 26, 2006

feeling a bit green
Well, never say posting doesn't change anything. Now he's super cooperative and we've had two days of no accidents - I guess something just clicked. Grateful for this break from the smell of piss

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
I bought a minivan yesterday and I am very, very hyped to pick it up in about two weeks.

I am quivering with anticipation thinking about opening sliding doors in a tight parking lot.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Wildtortilla posted:

I bought a minivan yesterday and I am very, very hyped to pick it up in about two weeks.

I am quivering with anticipation thinking about opening sliding doors in a tight parking lot.

I hope it's a Honda Odyssey, I love that dumb big car

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
Got a Sienna for the hybrid mpg. If it weren’t for that, I would’ve gone with an Odyssey.

coronatae
Oct 14, 2012

I had a very humbling moment yesterday morning when I walked out of daycare and didn't know which giant white SUV was mine.

Patrón woke up at like 4 for a bottle and per my spouse, he was wiiiide awake. Real mad about being put back to bed, resisted soothing. At around 6 I said gently caress it I'll go get dressed for the day and drop him at daycare right when they open. After I was dressed and ready he was finally back to sleep :argh: I did let him sleep another hour but being awake that long meant that I walked into work looking all kinds of tired and hosed up, to the point where coworkers asked if I was ok.

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

coronatae posted:

I had a very humbling moment yesterday morning when I walked out of daycare and didn't know which giant white SUV was mine.
I had a worse moment when JoseVI was still a baby

I had to send a picture to my wife to make sure I had the right kid because I didn't recognize the clothes lol

Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck
I’ve definitely done double takes when the daycare has to switch clothes for blowouts!

c355n4
Jan 3, 2007

Wildtortilla posted:

Got a Sienna for the hybrid mpg. If it weren’t for that, I would’ve gone with an Odyssey.

Sienna gang! Did you get the 2nd row captain chairs?

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Fruits of the sea posted:

My kid is a very good sleeper with the caveat that he’ll occasionally “wake up” and go balls out nuclear with rage. I used quotation marks because he isn’t really aware of his surroundings and it can be very difficult to snap him out of it, after which he goes from anger inferno to normal sad (sad about whatever was bugging him but also discomfort from screaming and writhing for 15 minutes to 2 hours, which is perfectly understandable)

All in all, I think we’re pretty lucky.

We've been dealing with this for a week or so, between midnight and 1-ish. Seems like it might be "confusional arousal" which despite what you'd think isn't a fancy name for this situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2djHEIxPVs

Anyway it's been tough: "I want papa! No papa! No papa! I want mama! No mama! I want to go on mama & papa's bed! No get up get off mama papa bed! I want to go in the living room! Nooooooooooooo" and so on. He eventually calms down and can be snuggled back to sleep. Putting him on my shoulders and playing "find that little bear" (https://www.amazon.com/Good-Night-Little-Bear-Golden/dp/0307986241) has quieted him down twice, but once he comes off the shoulders he's likely to get worked up again. Last night we went into the kitchen, turned on the lights, and I offered him various snacks (which he refused, but calmly)... this also only worked while we were actively doing it, but I think the total tantrum time may have been reduced a bit.

Apparently trying to calm a kid who's experiencing a confusional arousal can make them even more upset, so if he wakes up again tonight at about the same time, we're going to hold off going into his room and see if he goes back to sleep after 5 minutes instead of kicking off a 30 minute battle.

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Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

c355n4 posted:

Sienna gang! Did you get the 2nd row captain chairs?

Yep. Didn’t get the second row middle seat. Can’t be too picky with Siennas right now, new or used. With that said we got exactly what we wanted - a green, AWD, base XLE.

My 4 year old is going from next to no room in my outback to all of the room in the Sienna. I’m excited for him. Those sliding second row seats also mean more leg room for me! :getin:

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