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Renegret
May 26, 2007

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Moogs posted:

Did anybody use a daycare that enforces regular nap times (like 0900 and 1200) for infants? I've never heard of them around here but my sister's daycare does that and it seems barbaric for a six month old...

lmao good loving luck pulling that off

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Jose Valasquez posted:

After several months of being relatively chill our 5 year old has started having some epic meltdowns again. , but it's been a major regression the last few weeks.

you might need to add more snacks, or might have ear infection, toothache etc, or his best friend at school moved away etc

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Count Roland posted:

What are the consequences you impose?

We try to keep them tied to the behavior as much as possible. If he is mistreating or throwing one of his toys he loses that toy for the day. If he is hurting someone he gets a timeout in his room until he can calm down, if he calms down enough to not be violent one of us will sit quietly with him during the timeout, but that usually doesn't happen. If he's trying to break something that isn't his then he loses one of his high value toys (currently his Yoto music player) or TV time.

He also gets a 1-2-3 warning to give himself a chance to calm down before consequences start.

Once he gets going though nothing short him spending 5 minutes trashing his room calms him down. Once he calms down we do a debrief with him to go over why the rules exist and what he could do differently, and he apologizes, but in the moment he just goes feral.

coronatae
Oct 14, 2012

Moogs posted:

Did anybody use a daycare that enforces regular nap times (like 0900 and 1200) for infants? I've never heard of them around here but my sister's daycare does that and it seems barbaric for a six month old...

Our daycare has shifted Patrón to a single nap at ~1 PM to prepare him for transitioning to an older kids' room/schedule. Otherwise it was basically, put em in the crib if they were acting sleepy. However, he was already 10 months when they started doing that and he's historically a pretty terrible napper. Even now his single daycare nap can be questionable.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
I think most toddler rooms are one nap so they generally get transitioned to that schedule before they move. Infants was mainly whatever suits the baby up until one year old for us.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

My kid is OBSESSED with the Arthur podcast. I need them to make more. They’re well made but we’re hitting the replay limit

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

My boomer mom is currently throwing a mini tantrum because I told her she couldn’t watch tv on full volume when the walls are paper thin and my 3 year old is trying to sleep. After she just admit she didn’t have her hearing aids so she’d need to really crank it up to hear anything.

She called my dad to bitch about it and I could hear the conversation crystal clear from across the house.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Democratic Pirate posted:

My kid is OBSESSED with the Arthur podcast. I need them to make more. They’re well made but we’re hitting the replay limit

link please. getting tired of dr Seuss after three months of it on the way to school in a row

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Dazerbeams posted:

My boomer mom is currently throwing a mini tantrum because I told her she couldn’t watch tv on full volume when the walls are paper thin and my 3 year old is trying to sleep. After she just admit she didn’t have her hearing aids so she’d need to really crank it up to hear anything.

She called my dad to bitch about it and I could hear the conversation crystal clear from across the house.

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF SPEAKING LOUDLY

Scapegoat
Sep 18, 2004

Hadlock posted:

link please. getting tired of dr Seuss after three months of it on the way to school in a row

Our daughter quite likes Theo and Matt which is ~10 min stories reading a bunch of kids books (including Cat in the Hat). No idea how jarring the Australian accent might be for you though. Our 3 year old insisted on watching the Karate Kid since it's one of her favorite stories.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/stories-from-theo-and-matt/id1585376475

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Hadlock posted:

link please. getting tired of dr Seuss after three months of it on the way to school in a row

It’s called The Arthur Podcast, should pop up on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It’s well produced and is set up like Arthur is recording a podcast as events happen.

Apparently the words to the theme song were buried deep in a vault in my brain, waiting to be reactivated

soupcon
Mar 26, 2025

Jose Valasquez posted:

After several months of being relatively chill our 5 year old has started having some epic meltdowns again. Hitting, breaking things, literally trying to flip tables.
We try all the recommended "authoritative" approaches, explaining why the rules exist, praising good behaviors, explaining consequences ahead of time... but none of the guides ever seem to have an answer for "what if that doesn't work" :negative:

What we're doing is obviously not getting through at this point...

We talked to a behavioral specialist about a year ago for an evaluation and they weren't concerned, and his behavior did improve, but it's been a major regression the last few weeks.

Similar situation with my daughter, no breaking things but extreme stubbornness/crying/meltdowns over things like eating, bedtime, anything she doesn't want to do. We thought we'd hit a golden period where she was mostly chill and could be reasoned with but that seems to have changed for reasons I can't fathom. I don't think there's been any real change in her environment - she had the flu recently, but the behavioural regression predates it.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Poop-talk, my 2.5yo had a week or two of shitted underwear before we finally caught him starting to squat and immediately got him onto the potty we kept in the living room. He dropped a massive poo poo in there and the switch flipped; he's only had a couple poop accidents in the ~2 months since then.

Getting that first poop into the potty required constant vigilance and a bit of luck, though.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

soupcon posted:

Similar situation with my daughter, no breaking things but extreme stubbornness/crying/meltdowns over things like eating, bedtime, anything she doesn't want to do. We thought we'd hit a golden period where she was mostly chill and could be reasoned with but that seems to have changed for reasons I can't fathom. I don't think there's been any real change in her environment - she had the flu recently, but the behavioural regression predates it.

Sounds like my 4 year old. We go through good, pleasant periods and then very delicate periods full of meltdowns about everything.

Last night was the breaking point for us listening to whining about Halloween candy. Every meal time goes fine for a few minutes but then my son starts whining about being done and wanting candy. Once we hit that point he won’t eat any more food and throws a tantrum about candy. Last night this played out and the whining and tantrum was excessive, so all the remaining Halloween candy went into the garbage and the garbage bag went straight to the curb side bin.

He was very angry but god drat my wife and I have had it with candy ruining every evening.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD
Bitching: my 17mo will NOT STOP SIGNING for things beyond my control. He wont walk until i turn the street lamps on. He wont eat until the cat thats meowing for my showering wife is in his view but the cat bolts if i pick him up to resume meowing for my wife.

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice
It’s wild how babies learn things. Kiddo went from purely focused on standing, he’ll scream if you leave him on his stomach for more than a minute or so, we’re confident he’s one of those babies who’s going to skip crawling entirely and go right to walking, to a baby who can sort of shittily push himself a foot or two in a chosen direction over the course of like two weeks. Then he takes a two hour nap, wakes up, and is crawling from toy to toy with wild abandon.

Thankfully, as soon as he started doing his lovely scooting we took all the bad stuff out from under the sink, installed cupboard locks, and put up a baby gate, so we weren’t totally flat footed. But we went from “i dunno, he’s kinda moving around but i don’t think he’s really gonna bother crawling” to “drat he is a baby on a mission and the mission is to crawl over to our cat and grab the fur” in the space of literally one nap.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

Coca Koala posted:

“drat he is a baby on a mission and the mission is to crawl over to our cat and grab the fur” in the space of literally one nap.

If hes like my kid, that will be his mission for the next 12 months. He knows to be gentle but the tail is Just. So. FLUFFY!!!

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

Just had a second kid but it’s my 3 year old that has been giving us the biggest headaches this week. Latest thing is staying up all night then wailing about it. Go the gently caress to sleep!

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Napping is where they put all that information together. We can do this as adults too but I think it just kind of doesn't come up as often

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Yeah when they sleep they get this Matrix-esque progress bar to learn a new skill but instead of flying a helicopter it's learning how to poorly climb a chair

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

SixFigureSandwich posted:

Yeah when they sleep they get this Matrix-esque progress bar to learn a new skill but instead of flying a helicopter it's learning how to poorly climb a chair

lol

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

Shoehead posted:

Napping is where they put all that information together. We can do this as adults too but I think it just kind of doesn't come up as often

I learned how to write python by napping at work.

Also i learned how to write python in order TO nap at work.

Now im the tenth best python programmer in the python thread (it has 9 regulars)

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice

CarForumPoster posted:

If hes like my kid, that will be his mission for the next 12 months. He knows to be gentle but the tail is Just. So. FLUFFY!!!

Yeah :sob: We work on "gentle hands" with him but seven month olds are not known for their "self-control" and "ability to understand that other living things exist". In the meantime, it would really help me out if the cat decided to like, move away when baby grabs his fur instead of just flopping next to him and purring about it.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
I'm spiralling over some school bullying stuff. My child is disappointingly the bully, accused by his friend. It feels like it went from 0 to 100 in a week. Only now I'm revisiting every weird look and "growing pains" conversation with the other kid's mum - of which there were plenty because they were/are mates and would hang out after school at both our houses regularly over a couple years. So maybe it's 10 - 100 but she was minimising their feelings and I trusted her minimising and didn't pick up how bad it had gotten until it was too late and the principal got involved.

The other complicated feeling is that I think the school missed communicating with us and I'm upset and mad about it! So two weeks ago when I'm picking up my kid I noticed the teacher having a quiet word with my boy in the doorway (a couple meters away maybe) and I walked over and invited myself into the conversation. That's when I first find out about specific events that stretch back at least a few days and possibly even a few weeks. It's long enough ago that they have organised and award for some other random kid for noticing and telling a teacher. But my kid obviously knew this was happening, and was apparently having lunch time detentions, feeling a lot of shame that his ND brain is choking up on and he's been displaying school refusal in the mornings and blowing up with bad meltdowns in the evenings and I had no context for it all so I was doing bad behaviour management stuff instead of processing feelings.

So now my kid is getting workshops on what good friendship behaviour looks like (ace!) and if it doesn't work out he could be suspended (very much less ace). And the other mum (allegedly, this is all coming from kids) has told her kid that she will remove *him* from the school if he plays with the boys and it's honestly doing my head in a bit because I know what it feels like to be the weird excluded kid and I know she's trying to protect him from trying to fit in, and I like the other mum and I obviously don't want to victim blame anyone but it feels like it's making restitution harder not easier.

It feels like I got a week to deal with feelings and behaviours I should have gotten a quarter for. It's welled up at the worst possible time of year with birthday, Christmas, end of year work stressors, end of school year transition, and my pre-existing tendancy to end up having a panic attack in a shopping centre stairwell to the beat of jingle bells.


And then my toddler's teacher chose that principal meeting day to follow up with me about "whether we've seen an OT yet" for his language delay that we don't actually think he has, because he's a 37wker who is only 2.5 and it probably is on the slower end of normal, but it's not meeting any checklist of "worry if" and we also don't have $400 to throw at a speechie just in case right now. (Edit to add it's probably ADHD like his bro but nobody will diagnose that until 6ish here)

Please can I have 24 hours of not being reminded everyone else thinks my children are broken. Thanks.

G-Spot Run fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 16, 2025

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

What is ND brain?
A 2.5 year old can be a bully? Aren't they kinda all jerks?
There are classes on how to be friends? Can these possibly be effective?

Sorry for all the questions, it sounds like you're having a hard time of it.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Count Roland posted:

What is ND brain?
A 2.5 year old can be a bully? Aren't they kinda all jerks?
There are classes on how to be friends? Can these possibly be effective?

Sorry for all the questions, it sounds like you're having a hard time of it.

There are two kids .. the 2.5 year old and the older school aged kid.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

I'm stupid and can't read

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
I probably shouldn't vent post when I'm being crawled on in the morning.
ND is neurodiverse, ADHD diagnosed, I've had concerns it's AuDHD for a while but his pediatrician/clinic hasn't been super engaged/helpful on that front. Everyone in our family is like this - we're 3/4 diagnosed.

2.5 yo is using less words than the teacher wants "we try to get them to speak in sentences and use better grammar" but he's loving 2.5 and he uses two word sentences reliably, three words occasionally, even the odd four word phrases but still a bit echolalia-y. He's communicating. He's playing. If he's any kind of autistic it's a high functioning/level 1 sorta deal. He's not at threshold for concern according to the checklists and while I do recognise he's slower to speak than his older brother I'm not actually worried? He understands okay. He doesn't *comply* though. It's all on trend for ADHD but he won't get diagnosed ADHD until he's past the much more variable toddler era of development.

8yo is getting in trouble for bullying. His friend is extremely afraid of bugs and he and another boy have been playing 'oh no there's a bug on you' gags for way too long. When they got noticed and in trouble for it it escalated into snitch accusations and - critically - it didn't stop them playing 'oh no it's a bug'. Then my ADHD impulsive boychild decided it would help to really convince him that a bee was there if he used his shoe to swat the pretend bee. :dumbbravo: He says it wasn't hard, but he's rough and tumble and friend is not. He is upset and ashamed and guilty because "everyone thinks I was trying to hurt him, but I was just trying to make him really believe it" and it's still bad and it's not the exoneration he was hoping for, but I do feel for him.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

keep going
My toddler has started mimicking the lyrics of the music I play and it's the funniest poo poo


YEAH

UH HUH

YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS

BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

Chillmatic posted:

My toddler has started mimicking the lyrics of the music I play and it's the funniest poo poo


YEAH

UH HUH

YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS

BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO BACK AND LELLO

Play bombs over baghdad

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

For a while, I was singing Sound of da Police with my then 2 year old son.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Count Roland posted:

There are classes on how to be friends? Can these possibly be effective?

How do you think kids learn how to be good at being friends? It’s a learned thing just like literally everything else kids do except poo poo, suck, breathe and sneeze. Anything can be taught and learned.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

How do you think kids learn how to be good at being friends? It’s a learned thing just like literally everything else kids do except poo poo, suck, breathe and sneeze. Anything can be taught and learned.

I think they learn by practice?

I don't agree that anything can be taught. Learning friendship includes difficult things like dealing with rejection, loyalty to some but not others, going through adversity together, etc.

And some lessons would seem to run contrary to what a school would provide. Like, don't snitch on your pals to the teachers. Is a teacher going to teach that?

Anyway, depending on the age ranges the class could still be useful, I obviously don't know the content. Just seems like a strange idea to me.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
And if learning by practice is unsuccessful, like in this case?

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

And if learning by practice is unsuccessful, like in this case?

What's unsuccessful? Two friends have a dispute. According to OP trouble went from zero or minimal to bad in a short period of time. Which happens in friendships. Usually the friendship survives though sometimes it doesn't. Either way the relationship is between the two kids and only they really know what's going on and it's up to them to resolve it, or not. Either way it's an important lesson in relationships eg if you treat your friend poorly you lose the friend.

But now the friendship is being managed by parents and the school. That isn't good training for future relationships that don't come with referees.

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice
There’s like a million episodes of kid’s tv shows about how to be a good friend, it’s absolutely something that gets taught.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Coca Koala posted:

There’s like a million episodes of kid’s tv shows about how to be a good friend, it’s absolutely something that gets taught.

Do they work?

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice

Count Roland posted:

Do they work?

Yeah, I would believe they do. Can you clarify a bit why you think "interpersonal relationships between six year olds" is a dark art that can't be taught, only intuited? Or maybe you have a cogent explanation for why relationship behaviors can be modeled in the wild, in the home, and in media but as soon as you move towards something resembling a classroom structure the learning mechanism immediately falls to pieces?

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

My kid is 12 and we've been talking about friendship and conflict management within friend groups and with peers that aren't friends and friendship dynamics since he was like.... Six?

How to be a good friend
How to handle it when a friend you otherwise like is being mean
What good friends look like and do and don't do, etc.

The topics and complexity definitely change as he's gotten older.

His elementary and middle schools have done stuff like this too for as long as I can remember... They have a whole thing called "social and emotional learning" that they weave into their days and weeks.

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Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

keep going

Dazerbeams posted:

For a while, I was singing Sound of da Police with my then 2 year old son.

:woop:!

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