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This scene still makes me laugh even after so many rewatches https://youtu.be/uvwNPMX-mOQ?t=155
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I think this scene is funnier, all you need to know is Cheese shot an actual dog: https://youtu.be/LfsQaeIYWoY
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Aug 15, 2015 05:39
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What most amused me about String in community college is that to everyone else there he's just another random non-traditional student. None of them knew the guy on their group project was one of West Balitmore's most wanted drug dealers.
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Soylent Pudding posted:What most amused me about String in community college is that to everyone else there he's just another random non-traditional student. None of them knew the guy on their group project was one of West Balitmore's most wanted drug dealers. String getting offered some dope weed by his group project mate.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:23
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Soylent Pudding posted:What most amused me about String in community college is that to everyone else there he's just another random non-traditional student. None of them knew the guy on their group project was one of West Balitmore's most wanted drug dealers. Community: Season 7?
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Anyone watch Show Me A Hero last night? Not sure if it's appropriate to discuss the show here but there isn't a thread for the show yet.
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Aug 17, 2015 22:08
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Konstantin posted:I think this scene is funnier, all you need to know is Cheese shot an actual dog: Y'all some cold-rear end motherfuckers. 
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Aug 17, 2015 22:35
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Y'all some cold-rear end motherfuckers. What gets to me about this scene is that Daniels blows his wiretap and months of investigation for absolutely nothing - not only do they get nothing from it, but they put their targets on alert and end up further back than where they were when they started - and yet the end result for the top Brass is that Daniels is the golden boy again. Why? Because he allowed the Major who was getting chewed out by the Deputy Ops and Commissioner to demonstrate he was taking proactive steps to deal with crime even if achieved absolutely nothing in the process, and also showed he was a "team player" who was willing to sacrifice his own work for the benefit of a higher-up. Daniels knows it too, he's not happy about destroying the case and can only appreciate that the way he wrecked it has gotten him enough kudos that he can now rely on a lot more resources and support to.... start up all over again. theblackw0lf posted:Anyone watch Show Me A Hero last night? Not sure if it's appropriate to discuss the show here but there isn't a thread for the show yet. I haven't seen it, would love to hear if it was any good/interesting.
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Aug 17, 2015 23:23
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Jerusalem posted:
So far it's excellent. Best thing I've seen from him since The Wire. It also is the closest thing to a spiritual successor to The Wire we've seen. Might make a thread for it. Deserves exposure/discussion theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Aug 18, 2015 05:09
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I would love to talk about Show Me a Hero. I only watched Part 1 so far, but I thought it was good. Has some Wire elements too it, but it definitely has its own style, especially with the soundtrack, so much Bruce. I could make a thread too, but it would be super low effort, so if someone has more time to put something together, that would be great.
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Aug 18, 2015 14:05
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theblackw0lf posted:Might make a thread for it. Deserves exposure/discussion Please do. Excellent first two episodes though I'm a bit sad that it's only 6 episodes. The pace is pretty fast, with more time it could breath a bit more. You can feel that you're in the hands of master storyteller, there's something comforting about that. Whenever there's something that I don't quite understand or when I feel like why was this or that scene even here, I can just relax and know that it will all make sense in the end. Favorite little touch was the sound of the phone ringing over the election night.
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 don't read this spoiler Show Me a Hero has such incredible cinematography and Simon killing off Wasiscko at the end of the 5th episode according to a whole season review is so crazy steakmancer fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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Aug 19, 2015 07:15
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I'm looking forward to the bit where Yonkers is nuked by the Soviets. e: poo poo, I wish I didn't read his Wiki entry. That explains the opening scene...
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steakmancer posted:Show Me a Hero has such incredible cinematography and Simon killing off Wasiscko at the end of the 5th episode according to a whole season review is so crazy You should REALLY mention that your spoiler is for an unaired episode.
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theblackw0lf posted:You should REALLY mention that your spoiler is for an unaired episode. Yeah. That was lovely.
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steakmancer posted:
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Aug 19, 2015 21:06
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Wow, so ya that spoiler really sucked to read. Thanks.....
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Been burning through a rewatch of The Wire and just started season 5. One that thing stuck out at me is that when Carcetti and his advisers were talking about whether to take the $50 million from the state for schools, it was never discussed that not doing so could harm them not just with education but Carcetti's focus on reducing crime as well., which at the beginning of Season 5 we see happen. Did they just not realize at the time that it would have those consequences? And if so why didn't Carcetti and them realize it?
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theblackw0lf posted:Been burning through a rewatch of The Wire and just started season 5. If I remember correctly, Carcetti put his own ambition ahead of the city. The governor was only going to do the bailout if Carcetti faced public humiliation for taking the money, which would have damaged Carcetti's own plans of running for governor. I assumed he knew this was going to have consequences. Troll Bridgington fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Aug 20, 2015 00:28
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Troll Bridgington posted:If I remember correctly, Carcetti put his own ambition ahead of the city. The governor was only going to do the bailout if Carcetti faced public humiliation for taking the money, which would have damaged Carcetti's own plans of running for governor. Right, but reducing crime stats was one of the two things he felt necessary to win as Governor. So it seems really bizarre that they didn't discuss how not taking the money could affect that goal. It just seems they weren't aware of that possibility, which seems odd that they would miss it (especially Norman who would have used that argument to convince Carcetti to take the money)
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Troll Bridgington posted:If I remember correctly, Carcetti put his own ambition ahead of the city. The governor was only going to do the bailout if Carcetti faced public humiliation for taking the money, which would have damaged Carcetti's own plans of running for governor. Basically yeah. I think both Norman and Nerese agreed that taking the money would ruin his plans to rise. I think the idea was that Carcetti was only going to get one term as mayor, and if he didn't make governor by the end of that term he was screwed, so out went all his grand promises near the end of season 4. e: theblackw0lf posted:Right, but reducing crime stats was one of the two things he felt necessary to win as Governor. So it seems really bizarre that they didn't discuss how not taking the money could affect that goal. It just seems they weren't aware of that possibility, which seems odd that they would miss it (especially Norman who would have used that argument to convince Carcetti to take the money) A ton of weight was put on that $50 mil. Everybody seemed to think that taking the money would overshadow any good he did in terms of crime stats. Hard Clumping fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Hard Clumping posted:Basically yeah. I think both Norman and Nerese agreed that taking the money would ruin his plans to rise. I think the idea was that Carcetti was only going to get one term as mayor, and if he didn't make governor by the end of that term he was screwed, so out went all his grand promises near the end of season 4. But how not taking the money would affect crime stats wasn't discussed. It was all about the schools. I mean maybe they did discuss it somewhere but it was never shown, but from just watching the show it's easy to think it never crossed their mind.
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The lack of money wasn't supposed to affect the crime stats. It was just supposed to affect the crime.
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Just want to stress again that they didn't feel that it would negatively affect Carcetti running for Governor...... they felt it would negatively affect Carcetti running for Governor in two years. He hadn't even worked out the groove of Royce's rear end from the chair before he was aiming for the Governor's seat, and for him having to wait an extra four years was unthinkable. For all the things he said (many of them I'm sure quite genuinely) Carcetti's first and foremost concern was always his own career.
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Found this comment on Alan Sepinwall's blog from a guy who used to work in journalism. Pretty helpful reading for Season 5quote:Anonymous said...
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Jerusalem, you did an absolutely phenomenal job with the recaps (as well as everyone else), and picked up on tons of things I had never noticed before. However there's a really significant comment made by Whiting that you seemed to have missed. It's from this section on Episode 2. quote:At the Sun, Whiting seriously declares that he wants the schools story to focus on the "Dickensian" aspects. Others in the meeting note that it would be wrong to take a simplistic approach to the issue, there are many aspects to explain the difficulties and problems faced in education, including the parenting or lack of parenting of these children and other societal pressures outside of the school system itself. Gus agrees that the schools could use a good "beating" from time to time but if they really want to address the issues, they need to actually address the issues and not focus in on one particular issue as if it was the end-all and be-all. Whiting's responses are full of buzzwords like "tangibles", and he gets support from Scott who agrees that you probably don't need a lot of context to focus on a classroom. Gus retorts that you need context for EVERYTHING but his snarky attitude (particularly a venomous comment about Pulitzer bait) finally pushes Whiting too far, as he complains that he isn't simpleminded like Gus is trying to imply and he knows about the problems in the school system because his wife volunteers at one. He wants the schools project to focus on the schools, and he thinks that Scott (the only person who backed him) should be the one to write it. What you missed is Whiting's reasoning for simplicity. He's saying that's what readers want, and if you go too complex you lose people. As he says "who wants to read that?". And I could see why he might think that. Many people want to believe there's a simple solution to complex problems. It's disheartening to realize that the problems of our society involve a complex intricate web that one can't address through simple solutions, even though that's what politicians sell all the time. Also they want something easier to follow, and digestible. Yea he's totally in the wrong. But sadly he might be right that his approach will attract more readers. In fact I wouldn't be surprised these are some of the very same arguments David Simon heard from networks when trying to sell The Wire. Granted I haven't all your recaps after that episode, so maybe you cover that elsewhere. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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No that's a fair point, and if they'd handled the newspaper storyline with a little more detachment I think they could have made the argument from both sides - yes an overcomplicated issue might turn off readers, but isn't their job to make those complicated issues understandable/palatable to the readers instead of just presenting them with what they already want to hear? After all, they're supposed to be journalists, and the Sun is supposed to be informing the populace of what is going on, not just soundbites and easily digested faux-news. But then with competition from television and the growing internet, can they afford to hold themselves to the old standard or will that just be them rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic? Arguably the biggest problem with the newspaper storyline in season 5 is that almost without exception we don't get to see or hear anything from the perspective of the "bad guys". With the police, at least you get episodes/scenes where the top brass reveal the pressures they themselves are facing from those higher up, or the impossible job they have of trying to hold everything together with the budget they have etc. The newspaper editors are never shown as anything but shortsighted, arrogant and quite often idiotic. Even loving Valchek is shown to have political nous, these guys just come across as dummies (the worst case being when Gus schools Klebanow in front of the other journalists after doing his stand-up comedy bit while watching a press conference). The whole Pulitzer obsession seems to pretty obviously be their way of trying to either shore up their own job security or get the prestige to move to a more stable job (like Scott tries early in the season), which suggests they were just as under threat by the restructuring/lay-offs as everybody else.... but everything else seems to paint them as sitting in a bubble untouched by the ramifications of what was going on, because the season never shows anything from their perspective - the closest to their POV we get is from Scott.
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Yeah Scott always bugged me because he's the most moustache twirling villain in the entire series, and for that reason he's so uninteresting to me as a character. Also, show me a hero is great. With a few friendly faces in it. 
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The journalism plot was somewhat based on Simon's interactions with the two top editors at the Sun, and the disagreements he had with them. This is a really great article that goes into detail about their disagreements, and covers it in a more balanced way than Simon did, where you can see both perspectives. Granted Season 5 was fictionalized and a lot was exaggerated from what really went down, but it touches on many of the same themes. http://www.cjr.org/cover_story/secrets_of_the_city.php?page=all
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theblackw0lf posted:You should REALLY mention that your spoiler is for an unaired episode. The series is based on a true story. It's like spoilering Titanic. I mean, even the season previews trying to sell the show explained what the show was about and mentioned this. That said, it's really nothing like The Wire at all other than Simon being involved and it having overlapping social issues. Philthy fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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Philthy posted:The series is based on a true story. It's like spoilering Titanic. No offense to Yonkers, but I'm pretty sure the events of a character from there during the 1980s isn't as universally known a fact as arguably the most famous shipwreck in history.
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Minor season 5 question: why does Gus appear to have both his own office but also a desk out in the bullpen?
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gently caress me, I am still on the first viewing (just started series 4, taken about 2 weeks to get here and I don't watch a lot of TV normally) and I am all ready wanting to watch it all from the start. I just found out today that half the actors aren't even acting, many are just basically playing themselves. I wasn't in the least bit surprised. It is a total master piece and I think that has a lot to do with it. Are there other shows that have done anything like this?
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jiggerypokery posted:gently caress me, I am still on the first viewing (just started series 4, taken about 2 weeks to get here and I don't watch a lot of TV normally) and I am all ready wanting to watch it all from the start. I just found out today that half the actors aren't even acting, many are just basically playing themselves. I wasn't in the least bit surprised. It is a total master piece and I think that has a lot to do with it. Are there other shows that have done anything like this? Yeah, it's cool. A lot of the minor characters are just normal people, but even some of the characters that get lots of screen time are bona fide gangsters. snoop, for example And the guy who plays the deacon is an ex-drug kingpin.
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Ainsley McTree posted:And the guy who plays the deacon is an ex-drug kingpin. The inspiration for Avon even. In season 15 of the wire, Avon is released and becomes an actor in a critically acclaimed HBO tv series.
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Ainsley McTree posted:And the guy who plays the deacon is an ex-drug kingpin. Melvin Williams posted:I know more about murder than you know about that camera.
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Jerusalem posted:No offense to Yonkers, but I'm pretty sure the events of a character from there during the 1980s isn't as universally known a fact as arguably the most famous shipwreck in history. His point was that it's a real thing that happened, like the Titanic. That hardly constitutes a spoiler. Whether or not one is more widely known than the other is immaterial.
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And Jerusalem's point is that how widely known it is isn't immaterial at all? Everyone everywhere already knows the Titanic sank, I doubt even 1% of the people on this site know about what happened in Yonkers in the 1980s.
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Nice my spoiler was technically wrong
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Troll Bridgington posted:This scene still makes me laugh even after so many rewatches Konstantin posted:I think this scene is funnier, all you need to know is Cheese shot an actual dog: For my money, this is the funniest scene in the series, even though it skirts pretty close to being racist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrzpoUjJ_0g The delivery is so strong.
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