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I’m only two episodes into my rewatch and I can’t believe how many times I echoed the “wait til episode 4” thing when this show is great from the very beginning and really not that hard to follow in the slightest. And it’s not like memory really helps because I haven’t seen these episodes in 10 years. e: wow this post seems really douchey when I come back to it. also it undoubtedly helps that I’m aware of which characters will become important later in the series and which won’t. Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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Slightly off topic but when reading through this thread (great job to everyone btw) someone posted an essay by Simon talking about how everyone imagines they'd be the one that got away if they were poor but argues that's a complete fantasy; but now I can't find it. Does anyone have that link?
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# ? Jan 16, 2018 17:35 |
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Jerusalem posted:I think the Barksdales were always going to fall - any group that gets that big is gonna start drawing attention, and increasing territory means increasing "staff" which just ups the potential for things to get sloppy/hosed up. Stringer had the right idea that they reach a certain size and then use the money to go legit and become untouchable, but he approached it the wrong way with that same McNulty mentality of "I'm the smartest guy, I don't need help" and just left himself more exposed. Plus Avon would never have given up his power/reputation for legitimacy, any more than Marlo was able to even after he "won" - and of course as has been noted many times, Stringer wouldn't have gotten to that position where legitimacy was possible if if hadn't been for Avon doing "the other thing". Cheese might have been the vehicle through which Joe got betrayed but ultimately Marlo would have found some other way to stick it to him anyways. It was always going to be a mistake to bring Marlo into the fold of the co-op. Marlo was a leader, not a follower. He would have seized on any advantage he could get over Joe. Marlo made the same mistake with Michael, though. Michael had too much of an independent streak in him to remain unfailingly loyal to Marlo. Marlo wanted Michael in the fold because of his fearlessness and willingness to step to anyone (both attributes Marlo strove for himself) but ironically those same attributes prevented Michael from having the same type of company man style loyalty that Chris, Snoop, and O-Dog had. At any rate if Avon had stayed out of jail and maintained his muscle it's unlikely Marlo would have been able to compete with him after the high rises went down. Avon with Slim, Wee-Bey, etc plus a much larger war chest would have been enough to drive Marlo from the streets. Even as diminished as Avon's organization was by season 3 he was still about to execute a successful hit against Marlo right up until the police raided the warehouse. And that was with Avon without his best hitters.
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# ? Jan 16, 2018 19:11 |
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I forgot about “Count be wrong, they’ll gently caress you up” and now I’m broken inside
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# ? Jan 17, 2018 01:10 |
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Yeah it is a good point to remember that Marlo survived the end of season 3 by pure luck, because Slim had his location and Avon was coming with an army to wipe him out when the police raidedStashAugustine posted:Slightly off topic but when reading through this thread (great job to everyone btw) someone posted an essay by Simon talking about how everyone imagines they'd be the one that got away if they were poor but argues that's a complete fantasy; but now I can't find it. Does anyone have that link? Jerusalem posted:It has been said before, but anybody who hasn't read The Corner and Homicide: A Year In The Killing Streets owes it to themselves to do so. In The Corner in particular, Simon will reach points where he somewhat abandons the narrative/"characters" (it is a non-fiction account of real people after all) in order to go on lengthy asides/tirades about the complete failure of various elements of Government/society, puncture holes in many "common sense" solutions/beliefs and remind everybody just how hosed up things are. SERIOUSLY. Buy these books and read them.
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Ginette Reno posted:Cheese might have been the vehicle through which Joe got betrayed but ultimately Marlo would have found some other way to stick it to him anyways. It was always going to be a mistake to bring Marlo into the fold of the co-op. Marlo was a leader, not a follower. He would have seized on any advantage he could get over Joe. Respectfully disagree. Prop Joe was in the game for a long rear end time and he did it by staying humble and staying alert. Cheese was his weak spot because he was family. One has to assume that Joe didn't have all that many lieutenants that he kept on such a loose leash. One of the themes of The Wire for me is that while things are cyclical, they are not repetitive- certain old ways of doing things, social norms, etc., exist for a while and then they are used as weapons by those desperate or underhanded enough to wield them. Think of Bunk's speech to Omar about the way things were when they were growing up and how things have gotten so much worse, or the attempted hit on Sunday, or Omar being unable to see a child as a deadly threat. Times do change and whatever code of conduct exists out there, it's just another way for someone to get at you. This is one of those moments for me- Joe values family and his old fashioned ways are his undoing. Cheese was THE way to get to him. EDIT: Charles killing him in the end is so satisfying because the viewer wants to believe there is a code to the street. To some degree there is, but it's only as powerful as the sum total of all who choose to practice it. Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Unzip and Attack posted:Respectfully disagree. Prop Joe was in the game for a long rear end time and he did it by staying humble and staying alert. Cheese was his weak spot because he was family. One has to assume that Joe didn't have all that many lieutenants that he kept on such a loose leash. One of the themes of The Wire for me is that while things are cyclical, they are not repetitive- certain old ways of doing things, social norms, etc., exist for a while and then they are used as weapons by those desperate or underhanded enough to wield them. Think of Bunk's speech to Omar about the way things were when they were growing up and how things have gotten so much worse, or the attempted hit on Sunday, or Omar being unable to see a child as a deadly threat. Times do change and whatever code of conduct exists out there, it's just another way for someone to get at you. You don't think Marlo would have eventually found a way anyways? The minute Joe brought Marlo into the fold he sealed his doom imo. It was just a matter of when. Cheese was a definite blind spot, and probably the worst one Joe had, but Joe was hosed from the start imo because he made the same mistake Stringer did of trying to control Marlo by bringing him into the fold. Marlo was never going to bow to anyone else. Joe thought he could earn some respect and loyalty from Marlo by teaching him the business, but as Marlo said he wasn't made to play the son. Avon understood Marlo because he was the only who thought anything like him.
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# ? Jan 17, 2018 02:48 |
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I think Joe had way more support than Marlo did among the rank and file, and would have won in an open war with Marlo. The only way for Marlo to get to Joe was through Cheese, because the show gives us no indication that anyone else in the entire co-op would have turned on Joe. I mean poo poo, Joe was so popular that Cheese gets blasted months later in pure retribution by someone who wasn't even one of Joe's guys. Marlo pulled a definite coup when he got to Cheese, and I just don't think Marlo would have been able to pull it off any other way. I don't think Joe doubted that Marlo was dangerous or would come at him- he just didn't think Cheese would be the rat.
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# ? Jan 17, 2018 05:19 |
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I don't know if Marlo would have done it via open war but if he did I'm not sure how many would have rallied to Joe's defense. Most of those other dealers were likely terrified of Marlo. Regardless of how he did it I just think it was inevitable he'd have found a way. He wouldn't have stopped trying if his attempts with Cheese didn't bear fruit. He would have succeeded eventually I think.
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# ? Jan 17, 2018 05:42 |
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Looking up the ages of some of the actors and man it's insane that Idris Elba was only 29-30 during season 1. And Andre Royo was 33-34. drat.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah it is a good point to remember that Marlo survived the end of season 3 by pure luck, because Slim had his location and Avon was coming with an army to wipe him out when the police raided SERIOUSLY. Buy these books and read them. [/quote] Yes a million times yes. I tell everyone I know that The Corner should be on their bucket list.
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# ? Jan 22, 2018 19:11 |
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Picked up Homicide. I haven’t finished a book in awhile due to ADHD and whatnot, so I’m excited to start this and put it down. For all the non-subtitled foreign speech, I’m surprised there’s been no fan project to translate what’s being said to get an idea of what’s being discussed in front of people. Not just the Greek and crew, but Baba Jani and his co-worker. EDIT: 4th season always bums me out on a rewatch. Just knowing where everyone lands, such a downer. Boywhiz88 fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Whenever Baltimore PD makes the news, especially for poo poo like this, I instinctively mutter "God drat it, McNulty." Baltimore Police Officer Indicted On Charges Of Misconduct, Fabricating Evidence (NPR) EDIT: Corrected URL. Thanks for the catch, Whiz Palace. animeluva1 fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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goddamn fuckin Ziggy is such a dipshit
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# ? Jan 25, 2018 17:40 |
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animeluva1 posted:Whenever Baltimore PD makes the news, especially for poo poo like this, I instinctively mutter "God drat it, McNulty." Here's the article. And it's not really a McNulty-level screwup, more like a shitbag beat cop thing, like something Walker would do before he robbed some kids.
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Whiz Palace posted:Here's the article. And it's not really a McNulty-level screwup, more like a shitbag beat cop thing, like something Walker would do before he robbed some kids. Yeah that’s more a walker or colichio thing. Mcnulty, for all his faults, wasn’t dishonest or corrupt to the detriment of the community, as far as I can remember (season 5 is um...a gray area, I guess)
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# ? Jan 25, 2018 19:32 |
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Weird when you get to the end of season 2 and there are 2 musical montages in 2 episodes (not including the end-season one, these are in eps 10/11)
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah that’s more a walker or colichio thing. Mcnulty, for all his faults, wasn’t dishonest or corrupt to the detriment of the community, as far as I can remember (season 5 is um...a gray area, I guess)
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:*bunk hearing about copycat killer face* Ok, very dark gray
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Mcnulty was well-intentioned at the very least, he believed he was acting in his community's interest, I don't think walker could hide behind even that.
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# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:03 |
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The thing that really gets to me is:quote:Former Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis had suggested it was also possible that officers were simply re-creating the finding of drugs that "they had already discovered, in order to document their discovery with their body-worn cameras on. But then underneath that I read: quote:Davis was fired last week, as Baltimore's mayor criticized him for failing to reduce the city's homicide rate. And I just get angry all over again for different reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt0xkap-m6Y
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Escobarbarian posted:I’m only two episodes into my rewatch and I can’t believe how many times I echoed the “wait til episode 4” thing when this show is great from the very beginning and really not that hard to follow in the slightest. And it’s not like memory really helps because I haven’t seen these episodes in 10 years. On my 3rd rewatch and up to the gently caress, motherfucker, gently caress me, fucker episode.
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# ? Jan 26, 2018 01:10 |
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I just pulled out season 3, and I'm cracking up at (s03e06? spoiler)Shamrock taking the minutes at the co-op meeting because he read it in Robert's Rules of Order. E: This is a rewatch so don't sweat it, I appreciate it. Gonna fix the spoiler up here just in case. puppets freak me out fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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And of course later on Stringer thinks he's doing it again, but he's just doodling because he's bored Edit: Just realized I wasn't sure if this was a rewatch or you just got to season 3, so spoilers to be on the safe side
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 09:55 |
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Season 3 is really loving funny. I think maybe it is my second favourite after all.
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puppets freak me out posted:I just pulled out season 3, and I'm cracking up at (s03e06? spoiler)Shamrock taking the minutes at the co-op meeting because he read it in Robert's Rules of Order. It's been a while since a watch but wasn't it string who told him to do it or did Sham pick it up himself.
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Escobarbarian posted:Season 3 is really loving funny. I think maybe it is my second favourite after all. What was your read before? It's 43215 if you want to be right
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Yeah it’s either 43215 or 42315 depending on how I’m feeling
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 16:56 |
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It’s definitely 4 then 3, and 5 as the worst. 1 and 2 are about equal for me.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 17:01 |
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Guys guys guys it's all totally subjective.... wait wait, you didn't order it 4-2-1-3-5? You motherfuckers....
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 22:20 |
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The Ringer's done a short excerpt from the upcoming oral history of the show, dealing with season three in particular. My favourite part is how Aiden Gillen got the role of Carcetti: “Okay, this is the deal. You were Bob Colesberry’s last casting call, so whether we really wanted you or not, we had to give you the job.”
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Jerusalem posted:Guys guys guys it's all totally subjective.... wait wait, you didn't order it 4-2-1-3-5? You motherfuckers.... As long as everyone agrees on 4 and 5 we can be cool about this. If not I'll loving cut you.
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Orange Devil posted:As long as everyone agrees on 4 and 5 we can be cool about this. Pretty sure Simon prefers 5 to 1
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Milo and POTUS posted:Pretty sure Simon prefers 5 to 1 Who the gently caress does he think he is
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 23:42 |
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Milo and POTUS posted:Pretty sure Simon prefers 5 to 1 Well what does he know? Plus he's noted as a haver of bad opinions about capitalism and what is to be done about it. He gets so close to really getting it, but he's just not quite there.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 23:42 |
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Ive been told he likes to suck the dick of capitalism.
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:06 |
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Season 2 is the best season of the show and it’s not even close.
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:28 |
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The official ranking is: 4 2 (rewatch) 3 5 (good parts) 1 2 (first time) 5 (including newspaper and serial killer plot)
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# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:31 |
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Season 4 is the greatest season of television in history. Which makes this the greatest scene in the history of all of television: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U God I love this scene.
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Milo and POTUS posted:It's been a while since a watch but wasn't it string who told him to do it or did Sham pick it up himself. I'm not sure if there's any earlier mention of it, it's more of an offhand comment, the implication being that Stringer told him off camera to read it because that's how he thinks legitimate businesses do things. Stringer sees Shamrock taking notes and asks "What the gently caress is this." Shamrock answers "The Robert Rules say we gotta take minutes at a meeting. These the minutes." I'd just never caught it before and found it really funny. Also, drat near any ranking of the seasons is right as long as season 5 is last. Not because it's bad, it's just less fantastic. We doing spoiler tags in this thread? puppets freak me out fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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