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This conversation is straddling the real and the fictional, so I'm going to state my central point clearly. gently caress Trump. Vote for his democratic opponent in the 2020 presidential campaign.
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I forgot. We the Trump brothers. No... the CHUMP brothers.
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deoju posted:This conversation is straddling the real and the fictional, so I'm going to state my central point clearly. If we are doing this I would rather people support and vote for a sane 3rd party candidate so we can at least ATTEMPT to kill the 2-party system that is doing us so much good. In bodymore murderland.
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I’m voting for Tony Gray.
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Hasselblad posted:If we are doing this I would rather people support and vote for a sane 3rd party candidate so we can at least ATTEMPT to kill the 2-party system that is doing us so much good. In bodymore murderland. The Russians leveraged attitudes like this in to a Trump victory. A few thousand votes shifting from Stein to Clinton in a certain states and we wouldn't be in this situation. The time for purity tests or protest votes is the primary.
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I mean the Democrats could have not run a very lovely candidate probably would have done more
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Yes, but the didn't. And they might not next time, stil vote for them.
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Guys, could you please take this conversation to D&D? Please? 
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Enough with the politics.
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Sobotka 2020 Wrong for the right reasons. I'm Frank Sobotka and I approve of this message.
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The wire is about how capitalism must be destroyed
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I was king of rooting for Stringer
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Stringer is really fascinating because on my initial watch he definitely felt like he was in the right and that Avon was a detriment/holding them back from actual real success. Later views quickly start showing up all kinds of little things where you see that Stringer has completely misjudged things, or that there are incredibly obvious elements in place that - however unfair they might be - can't be resolved in the painless, theoretical fashion he would prefer and can best be resolved by Avon's methods (horrible as they might be). Both were at their best when they were a united team, but also when Avon was the clear #1. Stringer's first thought in season 1 when they get a whiff of the police looking at them is to isolate Avon because he recognizes that Avon is the "King" and must be protected by them, even at their own expense. Avon for his part accepts these limitations placed on him because he knows Stringer is making the right call. The moment Stringer was left at the top even in a transitional phase, he stopped working in perfect concert with Avon and began thinking of how HE would run things. Sure, still to Avon's benefit, still bending the knee etc but now he was trying to set the direction for the organization instead of Avon and that was never going to work out.
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I think Stringer's entire arc is best summarized when Clay Davis tells him he doesn't belong in either the street or business. He is Icarus.
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Stringer thought that because he had the "right" solution to the whole drug trade thing that everybody would fall into line, and for the most part they did. But I'm pretty sure part of the reason was due to the size of the Barksdale organisation and primarily them having the cocaine hookup through the greeks. In the abstract he was absolutely right that there's no need for the various crews to be killing each other over some corners but good luck changing poo poo.
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In a show that goes out of its way to show that the more things change the more they change the same, Stringer never had a chance
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Another thing that you don't (or at least I didn't) notice until your second watch, is how massively stringer overinflates his competence. The guy takes a macroeconomics class at the community college, making him the most highly-educated among his peers, and it goes right to his head. The "market saturation" scene illustrates it pretty well (i think, anyway; I actually don't know enough about economics to tell if he's full of poo poo or not and the comments seem divided) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkLuncXw-P4 He's not dumb, obviously, by any means, but he has more confidence than competence and doesn't realize it.
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As an aside, why is it that characters in The Wire use the word "police" as an unmodified noun? "I am a police", for example, or "he is a good police". Is that some kind of authentic, Baltimore-specific thing or did they make it up for the show? Because while I've heard that pronunciation before, "pō-lēs", I've never elsewhere heard it used as an unmodified noun. What's up with that?
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MrBling posted:Stringer thought that because he had the "right" solution to the whole drug trade thing that everybody would fall into line, and for the most part they did. But I'm pretty sure part of the reason was due to the size of the Barksdale organisation and primarily them having the cocaine hookup through the greeks. What Stringer didn't recognize is what it takes to take the top spot. I mean, he was there for Avon's days of scratching and clawing his way to the top, but he was not responsible for making the decisions that led to it, Avon was. So Avon sees Marlo and immediately understand that this guy has what it takes to rise on the streets and become a threat, but Stringer refuses to accept that the street operates under it's own rules. His business ideas are ok in practice, once you are already firmly at the top but it also leaves you open to a Marlo-like personality because that's just what the street responds to. If you're name isn't "ringing out" on those corners, nobody gives a poo poo about you or fears you and there will always be a Marlo to come take them from you. That's the two sides of it, Stringer trying to convince himself and Avon that your Name or how many corners you control isn't important anymore, and Marlo showing them exactly what a person can do if they are singularly obsessed with their Name being whispered on every corner.
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Yeah, the Bawlimer accent is interesting. Also when McNulty follows Stringer to his Community College class the lecture is about price inelasticity and supply and demand, basic Econ 101 stuff. He's thinking about the game as a business but is still learning the fundamentals. To his credit he answers the question correctly though. BTW, drugs are just about the most inelastic product there is. Addicts will buy the roughly same amount no matter how high the price goes.
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Avon cutting off Stringer with,"It's not about that part right now, it's about the other thing" is such a great demonstration of his understanding (and Stringer's lack) that there is a time for business and a time for fighting. Not to say that Stringer wasn't right to want to do business without killings bringing down the heat, or that Avon was right to blindly insist on holding tight to those corners when they had no product to sell, but in general I feel that Avon was more capable of moving between stances which is part of what gave him his success. Hell, he gets out of prison and meets those same smooth talkers that did a number on Stringer, and within 10 seconds he's picked up that they're just looking to milk him and walks away (helped by being horny as gently caress).
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at that point, bell and barksdale were comfortably rich and would never have to work again with a legitimate income to support that. I dunno if either of them were capable of walking away, but there was zero reason for them to actually be in the drug-trade by then. they seemed to be addicts in their own way, to the power and the prestige. 'just a gangster, I suppose.'
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I have this printed out and framed in my apartment.
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Just finished the series, and I'm really happy about the positive ending for Bubbles.
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Stairmaster posted:The wire is about how capitalism must be destroyed You would think so, but then Simon himself thinks if capitalism is just regulated correctly that it'll be fine. Which is so weird an opinion for him to hold when you look at the work he's produced. Also, Stringer could've run one hell of a copy shop.
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Stairmaster posted:The wire is about how capitalism must be destroyed The Wire is about Reginald "Bubbles" Cousins navigating addiction, betrayal, corruption, danger, and probably another word for every letter in the alphabet, on the way toward eventually getting his life back on track to be at peace with himself and make amends with people he cares about.
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Bubbles walked up those stairs and sat down at the table for dinner 
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Jerusalem posted:Bubbles walked up those stairs and sat down at the table for dinner The happy ending for the good guy of the show. 
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It's a fine line between heaven and here
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Addamere posted:Just finished the series, and I'm really happy about the positive ending for Bubbles. Poor Dukie though. There can be only one. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wti3_cXeF4k
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Binged Homecoming over the last few days (very much my poo poo, no similarities to do with The Wire though) and noticed a familiar face making a cameo:
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She plays/played the mom of the (drug dealer) main character in Snowfall, too.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:She plays/played the mom of the (drug dealer) main character in Snowfall, too. She played a nun or something in Dexter. Hey everybody. Been a while.
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escape artist posted:Hey everybody. Been a while. The train may be slow, but it comes in the end 
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It's been about four or five years. How can I get my Brother Mouzone back?
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escape artist posted:It's been about four or five years. Pay the man the money
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algebra testes posted:Pay the man the money I know, but I mean, does any still have it or can they find it so I can do just that? ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:It's a fine line between heaven and here
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