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This is 100% the news I didn't want to wake up to  Rest in peace, MKW.
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Omar goin' RIP, truly one of the best talents of our time.
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He was such a human actor. Even in trash like Battlefield 4, something about his eyes. He just looked hurt and real. Impossible to describe because there’s nothing like him to compare to. Just a totally unique one.
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Sep 7, 2021 14:17
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His performance in The Road was brief, but remarkable, full of terror and desperation. Without that the protagonist's actions wouldn't be morally unclear and the film wouldn't be as powerful. Watch the whole movie if you haven't. It'll ruin your afternoon and depress you, but it's really good. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwq0mgvC1eY
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Sep 8, 2021 09:06
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If you never saw the episodes he hosted on Vice's Black Market then you really should. The interviews he was able to get because he was him and respected for it are amazing and really show so much.
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Sep 8, 2021 23:40
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David Simon wrote a memorial to Michael k Williams for the nyt; it’s as good as you expect, and also touches a lot on why I think a lot of people struggle with season 2 initially, but are eventually won over once it clicks and they realize what the show is really about : https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/12/opinion/michael-k-williams-david-simon-the-wire.html?referringSource=articleShare quote:
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Really drat good article, it still hasn't really sunk in that he's dead. Others already mentioned it, but he was one of the best parts of the at-times uneven Lovecraft Country that came out last year, which is par for the course since he was usually one of the best parts of any show he was in no matter how good it was (or wasn't).
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Sep 13, 2021 00:25
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deoju posted:His performance in The Road was brief, but remarkable, full of terror and desperation. Without that the protagonist's actions wouldn't be morally unclear and the film wouldn't be as powerful. gently caress, i forgot about his turn in the road. it is a rare book ive read after watching a film adaptation that i really enjoyed. his performance is a big chunk of that. i wondered how mccarthty wrote his character vs how MKW performed it. such a brilliant performance e: only other one that comes to mind is no country for old men and anton. both adaptations seem super faithful, but mccarthy is a fairly stark author that doesn't leave a lot of room for imagination
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Sep 13, 2021 00:37
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Jerusalem posted:since he was usually one of the best parts of any show he was in no matter how good it was (or wasn't). one last time....RIP king, this didn't deserve you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKakC6Mz_rE
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That's too hosed about Michael K Williams. I knew he had some substance use issues at one time or another but I never knew heroin was part of it. Always thought it was coke and alcohol. God drat. He was really good in the stuff I saw him in. I was really impressed with his range, especially since he was an actor who could very easily have been typecast or one note performances. Since I now have access to HBO, I finally have Generation Kill locked and loaded (so to speak) but I just finished Silicon Valley and am not sure I'm ready for something that I know is going to be horribly loving depressing and serious right on the heels of a Mike Judge comedy. I was looking through reviews of GK and holy poo poo the AV Club gave every episode and "A", which I didn't even think was possible. So guess I'm headed off to a horrible war now after laughing at tech bros, office culture and geeks. Wish me luck. Is there a Generation Kill thread still active?
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If there isn’t, I personally wouldn’t hate it if we talked about it here, it’s a good show
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Or maybe a new David Simon appreciation thread? I'm not sure if that is TVIV's style.
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BiggerBoat posted:Is there a Generation Kill thread still active? I went to make one and then got distracted breaking out slang and jargon in episode one and gave up. TV IV > Generation Kill: David Simon's Other Never-Ending War Show or Generation Kill: Not Very Poggers
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After one episode, all I got is: Generation Kill: The Game is the Game Whoo boy this is gonna be a rough watch. If I like it and get into it maybe I start a thread EDIT: OK, 2.5 episodes in and the only thing that takes me out of this show is that god damned Cotton Hill is in it bitching about facial hair. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Sep 14, 2021 16:09
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Unfun fact, Sgt. Major Sixta was later arrested for child molestation. More-fun fact: the General Mattis you see pop up in the show is the same Mattis you probably remember from the Trump years. Might seem obvious if you're politically knowledgeable, but other people I've watched the show with weren't aware it's the same man. If you're up for a good companion piece even though it isn't a David Simon show, The Pacific pairs really well with GK.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:16
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PO-LEASE THAT MOOSTACHE
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Sep 14, 2021 19:31
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I only watched the show once, but one line that lives in my head rent-free is the reporter asking the raspy colonel if he's a smoker, and the reply "nope, just lucky I guess" I say that all the time whenever anything bad happens to me
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Sep 14, 2021 19:43
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deoju posted:PO-LEASE THAT MOOSTACHE Sixta was charged and convicted of molesting his step daughters iirc
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Christ, the sense of impending dread in GK is palpable. I mean...on top of all the other horrible poo poo so far. Which is dreadful enough. But it's loving with me in the way it's subverting my expectations since 4 episodes in and within the main cast, they've suffered zero casualties so far. A few times, I was expecting an IED, a booby trap, a sniper or a suicide bomb truck. I can't see them all making it out alive but then again that might be the play here where we just see the ptsd and psychological wounds, which is an ace Simon move. I was sure at least a few main characters would have bought it by now.. It's really good but it sure isn't Feel Good, especially in the wake of the Afghanistan withdrawal and the 9/11 anniversary. I may have timed this particular watch rather poorly. One of the main things throwing me off are all the acronyms since I'm not real up on military jargon but that's on me and I appreciate the show not dumbing that down. I wonder what CHUDS think of this. I bet they view it much differently than my take away so far. Really interesting watching Ziggy too in a much different role. I'm surprised there's actually not more carry over from The Wire and The Corner casts and, along those lines, it's odd to see so few black characters given Simon's track record there and knowing what we know about disproportionate military enlistment among minorities and how often they get put in harm's way.
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BiggerBoat posted:Christ, the sense of impending dread in GK is palpable. I mean...on top of all the other horrible poo poo so far. Which is dreadful enough. There's a reason why episode 1 opened with the training exercise. It tells you how they were trained and what they were expecting when they moved on Bagdad And why is so important that what they do has nothing to do with that. The tanks at the airfield? Abandoned. They're supposed to be the tip of the spear but they never get a chance to do that. They're basically hyped on Rocket Fuel (as Ziggy says) and looking to finally get to shoot something. Their unit was already in Afghanistan where it's implied they didn't get a "real" mission because Afghanistan didn't have a proper military. Next section I think it's beyond episode 4 And then they finally do and almost every time it's awful. Trombly kills some kids, the turret Gunner kills some rando who doesn't know what's going on. When they do encounter some real combat taking the bridge in the city they get stuck in a pothole and just abandon the mission. Also take everything I say with a grain of salt since I'm a POG of Iraq/Afghanistan and probably projecting like a lighthouse.
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BiggerBoat posted:Christ, the sense of impending dread in GK is palpable. I mean...on top of all the other horrible poo poo so far. Which is dreadful enough. While there were a few exceptions, the iraq insurgency with all the IEDs/suicide bombs didn't start until 2004. GK takes place during the March 2003 invasion, where the fighting was much different than what came later. Regarding race - I don't remember if it was in generation kill (or maybe Black Hawk Down) but -- and I'm not making this up -- swim qualification is one of the barriers for Black people joining elite units. I knew a lot of Black Marines at Parris Island/through SOI and in my company, but the swim Qual for recruit training is easier than Recon's. I can't guarantee this hasn't changed though, because I'm like 20 years out of date. Eason the Fifth fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Nothing like watching people on their first watch of the Wire and being so certain that Clay Davis is about to get comeuppance.
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christmas boots posted:Nothing like watching people on their first watch of the Wire and being so certain that Clay Davis is about to get comeuppance. Sheeeeeeeeeeee.....iiiitttt.
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Eason the Fifth posted:
I didn't read your spoilers since I'm not thru yet but...wait...swimming requirements were an obstacle for black soldiers being deployed on the front lines in loving Iraq and Somalia? But not in Vietnam? Not saying I don't believe you but that's hilarious. I mean...in a military intelligence kind of way. And as far as the casting goes, I'm just saying that I know that Simon has given a lot of really good black actors a chance to really shine so seeing a war movie of all things with a mostly white cast on the front lines kind of took me off guard. But Simon is really good at subverting expectations so that sort of checks out.
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BiggerBoat posted:I didn't read your spoilers since I'm not thru yet but...wait...swimming requirements were an obstacle for black soldiers being deployed on the front lines in loving Iraq and Somalia? But not in Vietnam? Not saying I don't believe you but that's hilarious. I mean...in a military intelligence kind of way. Sure it doesn't matter in Iraq but that's not the point.
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HootTheOwl posted:Marines are an amphibious landing force, so they need to know how to swim. True. I think there not being a point is kind of central to the message of Generation Kill. Even more so than The Wire where The Point was pretty obvious. The 2 shows cross over a little bit in terms of there being a bigger mechanism at work that traps the powerless but, to me anyway, GK seems to be going out of its way to show us how pointless war is in general and the Iraq war in particular. Also, The Wire had 5 seasons to delve into its message and deliver a web and/or layers to What's Wrong beyond "War is Bad" so there's that. Even though GK is more global in its reach and location, The Wire was more broad and had a larger scope of issues it looked at - at least for me. It sounds weird but that one old school Cotton Hill motherfucker obsessed with mustache lengths drove GK home for me as much as anything. The Wire showed us the socioeconomic mechanisms that drive society and define entire neighborhoods but GK, even though it touches on similar issues ("it was either join the marines or go to jail") seems to have a different slant to it. Both shows demonstrate the victims of wealth, power and politics. Could be that I just get different feelings from both because, while I have lived in "dangerous neighborhoods" in SF and Philadelphia along with having my issues with drugs, I've never brushed up real close to the military and its culture AT ALL so I relate differently on a personal level. I'm probably not explaining that very well but I get a different overall vibe and a Larger Message from GK than I did The Wire or The Corner and it's not entirely due to the global stakes and the scale of it. I'll weigh in more when I'm done watching it if anyone cares to read what I think. One thing I'll say about all of Simon's poo poo is that he casts really great actors, which is always nice. Nothing takes me out of a show or a movie faster than lovely acting and nothing sucks me in more than great performances. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Syrian Lannister posted:Sixta was charged and convicted of molesting his step daughters iirc Just to clarify, this is the actual guy and not the actor playing him.
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Syrian Lannister posted:Sixta was charged and convicted of molesting his step daughters iirc   Ugh
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Bird in a Blender posted:Just to clarify, this is the actual guy and not the actor playing him. That's an important clarification, thank you (I had honestly assumed you were all talking about the actor for some reason, even though now that I look at it, none of you said that)
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My bad, was walking into work when I sent it.
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Syrian Lannister posted:My bad, was walking into work when I sent it. Nah you weren't that vague, i just assume all actors are sex pests lately
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This is what happens when you don’t follow the grooming standard!
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Plus Rudy is playing himself and there's a few minor characters played by guys who were in the unit (though not playing themselves iirc) so there's some overlap. I did see an interview with the people the main characters are based on and its funny that all of them look a lot like their actors except Ray, who I assume Burns read the book and just got Ziggy in his head
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Jesus Christ that final segment or finale or montage or whatever you wanna call it. What a gut punch
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Because of this thread I'm less than ten minutes into a re-watch of Generation Kill. So far I'm convinced of one thing... Jon Huertas should be a loving star. Edit: ten minutes and seven seconds in and Officer Colecchio shows up. deoju fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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deoju posted:Because of this thread I'm less than ten minutes into a re-watch of Generation Kill. I never loving noticed that holy poo poo. Then I find that he was in the Marines so it all makes sense.
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Yeah, can't help but think that casting was a meta-commentary on the militarization of the police. Collicheo definitely saw the western as occupied territory, and he definitely gave off an ex military vibe. Look at his haircut. Police departments giving preferential hiring to ex military was policy for a long time, and contributed to the mess we are in. The first episode of GK also includes the embedded journalist being a colossal gently caress up. I kinda see that as a mea culpa for Simon being too preachy in s5.
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I just want to point out that while GK is an excellent show with a lot to say, it does not, in fact, depict "the victims of wealth, power and politics". For those are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, and not the members of the imperial power perpetrating unspeakable violence upon them.
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christmas boots posted:Nothing like watching people on their first watch of the Wire and being so certain that Clay Davis is about to get comeuppance. Y-y-y-you think I'm done!
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