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Hell yeah, glad you're enjoying it! We love hearing people's takes as they watch the first time, so  (but don't read too far into the thread or you'll hit spoilers).
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Yeah this thread plays very fast and loose with spoilers which makes it a tricky thing for newcomers to the show so if you're posting your first watch be mindful of that and post more than you read I guess.
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Jun 24, 2023 17:45
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Yes. It is well worth it to read this thread in its entirety after you finish the series. But I’d stay out of here until then.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:30
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Tampa Bae posted:I had finish a "legendary TV series" on my new year's resolutions this year and it was down to The Wire or The Sopranos. I picked The Wire because it was shorter. Hell of a first season, just finished the second and I've got almost no sympathy for any of the dock workers. They're all just dumb and unlikable in their own ways. Heard Season 3 was the best season so excited to start that tonight! Actually, season 2 is the best season in the show but you'll see that when you do a re-watch. 
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Jun 24, 2023 20:24
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Season 2 is the secret best season.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:45
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I did come around to season 2 by the end, even on my first watch (how can you not love frank sobotka, even if you don't exactly like him), it was just that initial "wait, what is this show actually about?" speedbump that threw me initially. And then once you know what the show's about, yeah, the second watch is extremely good. But if the OP didn't like it even by the end, then I guess I agree to disagree
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Jun 24, 2023 20:48
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Just imagine how much better and happier and healthier Ziggy would’ve been if he could’ve been a theater kid instead.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:55
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Tampa Bae posted:I've got almost no sympathy for any of the dock workers. They're all just dumb and unlikable in their own ways. Yeah, and you also think Thatcher was great and that unionization is for mugs, gently caress off. This was my take on my first season two watch as well, no harm meant my goon
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Jun 24, 2023 21:04
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MyChemicalImbalance posted:Yeah, and you also think Thatcher was great and that unionization is for mugs, gently caress off. Ziggy was so irredeemably dumb he really was just a theatre kid working a dock job
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Jun 24, 2023 21:12
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Frank Sobotka was valiantly fighting a desperate/doomed rearguard battle against the overwhelming force of capital, on behalf of his family both blood and union He may not have been perfect, but he didn't have to be to be a genuine working class hero
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Jun 24, 2023 21:34
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There's an irony that, in trying to protect the union, Frank ends up making a pact with the Greek -- arguably the show's purest embodiment of capitalism
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Jun 24, 2023 21:56
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Frank is the same as the people protecting the coal industry. Better to move on or get left behind.
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Jun 24, 2023 23:42
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Mu Zeta posted:Frank is the same as the people protecting the coal industry. Better to move on or get left behind. Easy for you to say!
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Jun 24, 2023 23:47
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Mu Zeta posted:Frank is the same as the people protecting the coal industry. Better to move on or get left behind. they dont facilitate human trafficking i dont think? frank sobotka (like pretty much everyone else in the show) was more than happy to sacrifice other people to preserve the systems he was comfortable in. awesmoe fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jun 25, 2023 |
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Jun 25, 2023 00:03
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Tampa Bae posted:
It's ok, he joins the Marines and sorts himself out
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Jun 25, 2023 00:29
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HootTheOwl posted:It's ok, he joins the Marines and sorts himself out drat straight
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Jun 25, 2023 00:37
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MarcusSA posted:drat straight It's also how Matteson learned to handle American Failsons
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Jun 25, 2023 00:55
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MarcusSA posted:drat straight At least my mum took me to Nascar.
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Jun 25, 2023 01:09
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Never thought I'd see "frank sobotka was the villain" as a take but here we are
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ilmucche posted:Never thought I'd see "frank sobotka was the villain" as a take but here we are Omar is Omar, I'm starting to feel sympathy for Aavon but Bubs, Lester, and Beadie are like the only three people who don't feel totally broken to me yet but there's still time. I'm coming into this series after Breaking Bad so I expect almost nobody to come out clean in the end
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Jun 25, 2023 04:41
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Mu Zeta posted:Frank is the same as the people protecting the coal industry. Better to move on or get left behind. If there's anything the wire teaches us, it's that everything happens because of your own individual choices and it's your fault for not making better ones.
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Jun 25, 2023 06:01
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I mean yeah it's best not to get involved with the Greek to save a dying way of life. Frank had more choices so I didn't see it as much of a tragedy as the kids in season 4.
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algebra testes posted:At least my mum took me to Nascar. Ray, your dad's a truck driver? awesmoe posted:they dont facilitate human trafficking i dont think? Frank was only ever game to sacrifice the property of businesses. When he learned about the human trafficking he was genuinely outraged but also realized he was an accessory to 14 murders and a whole host of other crimes. Once Vondas taunts him with other stuff they're smuggling in he realizes he's out of his element but knows he needs them to save his union. V-Men fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Jun 25, 2023 |
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Jun 25, 2023 10:25
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christmas boots posted:There's an irony that, in trying to protect the union, Frank ends up making a pact with the Greek -- arguably the show's purest embodiment of capitalism In the absence of class consciousness and revolutionary activity, all labour can hope for is playing one capitalist off the other. It's not an irony.
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Jun 25, 2023 11:55
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James Ransone is so good in Generation Kill. Underrated series imo.
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Jun 25, 2023 12:17
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awesmoe posted:they dont facilitate human trafficking i dont think? all coal miners do is dig tunnels. Think, OP, think!
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Tampa Bae posted:Sobotka wasn't that bad considering everyone else in season 2. The ultimate bad guy for me was Valchek, The Greek, Stringer, and that FBI high up I forgot the name of. Sabotka falls in with D for me as a good dude in the wrong place at the wrong time Eh, Sobotka still signs off on human trafficking (he just wants to be informed of it in the future so he can take extra precautions). Not to mention having no problems with the drugs/weapons trade that he also helps facilitate. And that's not even mentioning the all of the various petty theft, but that's pretty insignificant to being a willing participant in the slave trade. DJ_Mindboggler fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 27, 2023 20:22
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I don't think Frank knows about the drugs. The precursor chemicals are all done by Nicky.
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V-Men posted:I don't think Frank knows about the drugs. The precursor chemicals are all done by Nicky. His whole 'How Dare You Accuse Me, I Have SISTERS!' speech is complete bullshit though.
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CeeJee posted:His whole 'How Dare You Accuse Me, I Have SISTERS!' speech is complete bullshit though. Didn't Frank say no more girls? Or was it just no more dead girls? E: I wish there was a Frinkiac equivalent for this show Count Roland fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jun 29, 2023 |
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Jun 29, 2023 12:56
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He says he needs to know if there is anything alive in the cans going forward.
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Jun 29, 2023 15:01
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V-Men posted:I don't think Frank knows about the drugs. The precursor chemicals are all done by Nicky. The precursor chemicals sure, but didn't he know they were shipping in heroin and coke on the containers? Isn't that what the whole deal was from the get go with The Greek?
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Bird in a Blender posted:The precursor chemicals sure, but didn't he know they were shipping in heroin and coke on the containers? Isn't that what the whole deal was from the get go with The Greek? I think Frank didn't ask such questions
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Jun 29, 2023 15:32
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Bird in a Blender posted:The precursor chemicals sure, but didn't he know they were shipping in heroin and coke on the containers? Isn't that what the whole deal was from the get go with The Greek? I think that's why the Greeks cut a side deal with Nicky to bring stuff in. I think the deal with Frank was just boosting containers so they could sell the merchandise from the contained in some stores like Glikas's.
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Count Roland posted:I think Frank didn't ask such questions This was my recollection too. Doesn’t spiros say something like “now you want to know?” when frank confronts him about the women?
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V-Men posted:I think that's why the Greeks cut a side deal with Nicky to bring stuff in. I think the deal with Frank was just boosting containers so they could sell the merchandise from the contained in some stores like Glikas's. This is odd though isn't it. The Greek clearly isn't making most of his money from stolen cars. The drugs has got to be a very large part of his business if he's supplying a large portion of Baltimore. So before he reached out to Nick, what was he doing for the drugs? Although, the Greek said himself that the chemicals were produced right there in Baltimore, so he doesn't necessarily need a port connection in order to get the stuff.
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Count Roland posted:I think Frank didn't ask such questions Yea, I suppose this is correct. Maybe Frank just assumed it was stolen goods, or knew it was a little bit of both drugs and stolen goods, but just really didn't want to know.
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Count Roland posted:This is odd though isn't it. The Greek clearly isn't making most of his money from stolen cars. The drugs has got to be a very large part of his business if he's supplying a large portion of Baltimore. Honestly, I think it was as much about trying to establish a connection with Nicky as anything. He's a connection to the docks that isn't as high up as Frank, but he's morally flexible in a way that Frank isn't, and he's competent and dependable. There might be other ways to get it done, but it's nice to have that in your back pocket.
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Count Roland posted:This is odd though isn't it. The Greek clearly isn't making most of his money from stolen cars. The drugs has got to be a very large part of his business if he's supplying a large portion of Baltimore. I don't think the drugs actually belong to the Greeks. They are smuggling them for the Columbians(?) into Baltimore and then they get paid a fixed fee in cash and processed drugs for this service. There is that one scene where Eton and Spiros talk about the Columbians trying to shortchange them and in response they let the FBI counter terrorism unit find one of the containers full of drugs. It's an absolutely enormous load that is intended to be distributed across the east coast. The Greeks are way too small to handle these quantities.
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GABA ghoul posted:I don't think the drugs actually belong to the Greeks. They are smuggling them for the Columbians(?) into Baltimore and then they get paid a fixed fee in cash and processed drugs for this service. I don't know if we can say that if with any sort of certainty. The size of their operation is always a little bit of a mystery. Who knows who else they have working for them, especially considering they disappear after S2, only to reappear a year or two later doing the same poo poo they were doing before with brand new people. If all they're doing is moving trucks across the country, it really doesn't take that many people. Unload at the dock, separate out the various shipments, load back on truck and off you go. They're just wholesaling.
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