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Eason the Fifth posted:Also House of Cards (though I'd argue it's great through Season 2), and The Crown, and Boardwalk Empire. Prestige TV overstays its welcome unless it's brave enough or smart enough to improve on the premise every season, like The Wire and Breaking Bad. Boardwalk Empire is amazing up to the end of season 2, than it becomes just good (though the last season might be a little bellow)
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Lid posted:Isn't that the rule for Legion and True Detective too? I heard True Detective S3 was good but I haven’t seen it yet. I mean, sure, similarly, Westworld S3 is better than S2 strictly speaking but that still isn’t saying much.
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Oct 27, 2023 17:33
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True Detective is a little different since its an anthology and so the lesser later seasons don't detract from the original, while Westworld was clearly setting up for something and then fell on its face
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Oct 27, 2023 17:38
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Pirate Radar posted:I heard True Detective S3 was good but I haven’t seen it yet. I mean, sure, similarly, Westworld S3 is better than S2 strictly speaking but that still isn’t saying much. 3 is very good. 2 is actually pretty good in places but it came after season 1 so it’s not allowed to just be a B- for a lot of people.
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Oct 27, 2023 17:56
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Xiahou Dun posted:3 is very good. 2 is actually pretty good in places but it came after season 1 so it’s not allowed to just be a B- for a lot of people. TD season 2 was also really, really bad in places. The highs were pretty good and the lows were embarrassing. Anyway I can sort of understand contemporaneous reviews saying early episodes of The Wire were complicated and dull - it was, compared to almost anything, and they had no reason really to give it the benefit of the doubt and assume everything would come together. Unfortunately for them and fortunately for us it did, and now their takes get to be preserved forever in the 'look how wrong you were' hall of fame.
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Oct 27, 2023 18:13
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I remember reading a piece about S1. Several of the actors were relating a sort of launch party, where a few of them got together to watch the show as it was first aired. When they saw how it had been cut they basically said "well that's it we won't be back for s2" because it was such a slow burn. They just assumed it wouldn't be popular enough to be brought back. Then the season progressed and their opinions changed.
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Oct 27, 2023 18:36
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Pirate Radar posted:I heard True Detective S3 was good but I haven’t seen it yet. It's ok. I liked it, but it didn't have the "hmm, i'm watching something special" quality that s1 had. scoot mcnairy was really good in it
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Oct 27, 2023 20:37
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Lid posted:Isn't that the rule for Legion Counterpoint, season two ended with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frf0HepcB7w And season 3 had this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIO7svIZzyI E: TD was a great s1 An ok S2 that needed to be a handful of fewer episodes A good again S3 that was almost there. We'll see how s4 shakes out.
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Oct 27, 2023 21:08
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HootTheOwl posted:Counterpoint, season two ended with this: It also had every single character, bar the twins, becoming repugnant people with a very contradictory and unsympathetic view of rape double standards so that there was no one left to care about. The surrealism couldn't offset that it's writing, plot and characters became so awful there was no one to care about along with everyone acting as the plot demanded rather than previously established characters identity.
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Oct 28, 2023 01:01
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Yeah, both the scenes posted above I loved, but they were among the very few highlights of Legion season 2 and 3 which couldn't overcome some really dumb (and sometimes extraordinarily distasteful) plots, subplots and character beats.
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Oct 28, 2023 01:06
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The only parts of legion I understood were the singing and dancing and everything you're talking about happened during talky time so it went completely over my head
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Oct 28, 2023 01:10
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Xiahou Dun posted:3 is very good. 2 is actually pretty good in places but it came after season 1 so it’s not allowed to just be a B- for a lot of people. I did think that the resolution of 3 was so goddamn dull though. Mahershala Ali was loving incredible though. Dexter, was always a B tier show to me. Showtime was a B tier network to me [TP:TR not withstanding]. Weeds was decent for a couple seasons but never brilliant. Dexter was a step up over Weeds. Having just watched Six Feet Under before Dexter originally aired, I was 100% behind whatever the hell Michael C. Hall was doing. RARE, VINTAGE SCIENCE FICTION AND HORROR BOOKS! Help me recover from back surgery! escape artist fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Oct 28, 2023 |
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Dexter would have been fine if they just ended after 2. I know everyone likes the Lithgow season but...eh.
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GoutPatrol posted:Dexter would have been fine if they just ended after 2. I know everyone likes the Lithgow season but...eh.
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Oct 28, 2023 03:28
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We did get the Surprise Motherfucker line though
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Lid posted:Isn't that the rule for Legion and True Detective too? Whatever happened to Legion?
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Oct 28, 2023 18:44
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Hasselblad posted:Whatever happened to Legion? It got three seasons and came to it's conclusion. Personally, I liked it even though it definitely had some issues and I can see why some people bounced off hard at the end of season 2. Third season was...weird and had some good parts and some bad. I only watched it once so I might rewatch it.
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Oct 28, 2023 19:27
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been watching top boy this week and at least in season 1 it bears a lot of resemblance to the wire s1+3. not just in the the subject matter but the schematics of the main conflict are basically the barkdales vs marlo. it even has a snoop.
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roomtone posted:been watching top boy this week and at least in season 1 it bears a lot of resemblance to the wire s1+3. not just in the the subject matter but the schematics of the main conflict are basically the barkdales vs marlo. it even has a snoop. That’s been on my list to watch for a while. I need to just watch it already
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Oct 29, 2023 00:02
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Ithle01 posted:It got three seasons and came to it's conclusion. Personally, I liked it even though it definitely had some issues and I can see why some people bounced off hard at the end of season 2. Third season was...weird and had some good parts and some bad. I only watched it once so I might rewatch it. The ending of season 2 REALLY soured me on that show. Season 3 was an improvement in some areas and a regression in others, but the thing that really irritated me is that the season starts with the main character saying,"This is my plan, this is what I intend to do" and another character very correctly saying,"This isn't a solution, this is just you running away from your problems so you don't have to face up to the responsibility of admitting what you've done" and then the resolution of the season is the main character doing the thing he said he was going to do and everybody treating it like it was the right and good thing to do. I can't understand why they would have that conversation in the first episode unless it was an act of self-sabotage by the writers for a resolution they weren't happy with, but I have no idea if that was the case or it was just bad/inconsistent writing. The latter is sadly probably far more likely.
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Oct 29, 2023 00:15
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I didnt even make it to the end of season two. Once the episode inside of Sydmey's mind happened I noped the gently caress out because I could see the writing on the wall.
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Oct 29, 2023 04:16
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Tony Phillips posted:The first time my wife and I tried to watch The Wire we got through the first episode and just weren't up for it. I had read way too much about the show to give up on it, but we were just so drat confused about what was going on and who was who. I think it's an accepted rule that the Wire only clicks with the majority of viewers after the "gently caress" scene.
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Oct 29, 2023 10:15
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Alhazred posted:I think it's an accepted rule that the Wire only clicks with the majority of viewers after the "gently caress" scene. hah. Yeah that's probably true isn't it. Might as well link it, for fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ksTY6Dvf0
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Oct 29, 2023 12:34
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It's episode 3 because that has Omar debut, the stash robbery scene, and the chess scene, which is the moment the show shows its meat on the bones.
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Oct 29, 2023 19:15
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I watched The Wire three years ago and the moment the show felt ‘different’ and got me hooked is in one of the earlier episodes when white police are beating a black guy senseless. Kima sees what’s happening and then joins in on the police brutality. It’s such a memorable and harrowingly accurate scene.
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Oct 29, 2023 19:36
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Rollie Fingers posted:I watched The Wire three years ago and the moment the show felt ‘different’ and got me hooked is in one of the earlier episodes when white police are beating a black guy senseless. Kima sees what’s happening and then joins in on the police brutality. It's so well done too, if I'm remembering it right, she runs from across the other side of a field, with an urgency that makes you think she's running to try and stop it, but she's really just pumped about being able to beat on someone. I think the inciting incident is that one of the hump cops was trying to push Bodie around and Bodie punched him back, or maybe just pushed him; it was a wound that a fitter cop would have likely easily endured
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Oct 29, 2023 19:44
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is there anything more pathetic than a violent police officer
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I think the guy everyone was beating on was the guy who shoved Pogue or Mahone into disability.
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Rollie Fingers posted:I watched The Wire three years ago and the moment the show felt ‘different’ and got me hooked is in one of the earlier episodes when white police are beating a black guy senseless. Kima sees what’s happening and then joins in on the police brutality. Here comes Kima! She's smart, she'll get those knuckle heads to stop! Oh- ohhhhh
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Count Roland posted:Here comes Kima! She's smart, she'll get those knuckle heads to stop! It's a great reversal of what you expect from tv shows. Definitely a scene that shows how The Wire is a lot different than what you would expect from a 'cop show' and also why it has aged better than other cop shows over the years.
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withak posted:I think the guy everyone was beating on was the guy who shoved Pogue or Mahone into disability. Are the cops names really Pogue and Mahone?  "Pogue mahone" is the phonetic spelling of the Irish phrase póg mo thóin, which means "kiss my rear end"
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escape artist posted:Are the cops names really Pogue and Mahone? Was never into them but huh. Today I learned something about The Pogues.
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Update: Apparently it is Polk and Mahone, but I feel like they would have been ok with the mistake. I always figured it was an unsubtle joke from the writers.
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Edit: gently caress, beaten. Mahon is the one Body clocks. Polk is the other one who ends up Evidence Control in season 5.
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Tony Phillips posted:Was never into them but huh. Today I learned something about The Pogues. They're loving great. One of my favorite bands ever. And yes, I discovered them via The Wire. Get into them now before Shane MacGowan dies and everybody jumps on the bandwagon.
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Oct 30, 2023 01:56
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Start with Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. People will quibble about the best album, but that one is a good on ramp. I loving love The Pogues.
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Count Roland posted:Here comes Kima! She's smart, she'll get those knuckle heads to stop! The scene with Bird's interrogation is so brutal. Especially when all three walk in and Daniels tears up the photo.
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Is McNulty the only cop that isn't shown using violence? Even Lester hits Bird with the bottle when arresting him.
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The only person McNulty is out to destroy...is himself  He is at least a little heartless though. When Wallace dies his first reaction is "gently caress, now we have to get another source" and even Daniels gives him a little "are you kidding?" side glance
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