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Is there anyone else in the process of writing crits for this last go around? I would love to know on what I can improve on.
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# ? Aug 14, 2013 18:47 |
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Mercedes posted:Is there anyone else in the process of writing crits for this last go around? I would love to know on what I can improve on. Yes. Crittin’ time. I’m going to be focusing a little on beginnings and endings this run. In 1200 words you have no time to piss about in making an impression, so your starts and finishes have to be pinpoint. crabrock posted:Crabrock: Sweet Temptations I like the horror of what you describe, but horror needs characters the reader can empathise with if it's going to really land its punches. Oh, and titles: a good title works when you read it for the first time, then works better when you've read the whole story. For instance if you'd had some kind of pregnancy reference (say) then the reader might have made the connection on finishing the story between the monsters and the first baby in America. "Sweet Temptations" doesn't gain any new meaning after the story is over (unless I'm missing it?) quote:Cervid: The Dutchman quote:Debts I like this more than I should, because it’s deeply flawed. You vacillate between physical and dreamstates, introduce way too many characters then leave them lying, have a narrator who subsequently dies, namedrop wildly, and have ridiculous narration from Frankenstein’s monster who is also somehow a superpowered assassin. And the whole thing is in no way horrific. But there’s a weird charm to it, and the title and theme tie it up closely enough that it warrants re-reading to unpick all the references and work out who's murdering whom and why. quote:Oh god this one. I have a 5 year old daughter, and this skeeved me right out when I read it because horrible child murder, so my crit may be brief. Horror mission: fuckin’ accomplished. This is a good piece, though it maybe needs a little more attention to the set up. Also, split up your sentences more. If you have two thoughts separated by a but, it's often better just to have two sentences. BTW, in presenting Actual Historic Horror this story completely nails (impales?) the prompt. Anyone who doubts it should read up on the Cambodian Khmer Rouge (ps do not do this). sebmojo fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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All right, time for round two. Sign me up.
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# ? Aug 14, 2013 22:52 |
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sebmojo posted:
Hey, sebmojo. I am taking all your criticisms into account because I know I have a lot to learn as a writer. The following is me trying to answer your questions, not dispute your judgement. If you or anyone else would like to show me how to get these points across effectively, I am all ears. Well, I meant the implication to be that the sailors knew they were all marked men and would die if they told the story to anybody because either or . The reader can decide for themselves. That's why they acted weird but said nothing to the protagonist and that's why the protagonist was claimed when he did tell. His desperate scramble to religion was his way of fending off those feelings of being the walking damned that the others simply surrendered to. As for the beginning, I tried to build it up and make you curious about my protagonist: why does this guy look so old at 34? Why he does he pray all the time and throw dishes at friends he doesn't want to see, or else, things that he thinks aren't really his friends? How did he die and why? A little character investment and suspense. I just assumed that the first few paragraphs would fall into place at the end. The narrator is there because everybody in the town wonders about this guy. This person is a local who wanted to know his story and figured out a way to do it. They tell everybody else word for word, including the reader. But if I failed to make all of the above clear, then yes, I deserved to lose. Absolutely. I will work on making myself clearer in the future. I was going for more of an atmospheric horror rather than a graphic one. I must have misunderstood what was expected and if that's the case, I also deserved to lose for that too. As far as the ed note thing, unterrifyingness of eels, formatting, misuse of barracks, and not quite hitting the Lovecraft mark, I agree totally. But drat, do I love me some Lovecraft. Had to try.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 00:06 |
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Cervid posted:Hey, sebmojo. I am taking all your criticisms into account because I know I have a lot to learn as a writer. The following is me trying to answer your questions, not dispute your judgement. If you or anyone else would like to show me how to get these points across effectively, I am all ears. We don't do this here. If you want more feedback post in the Fiction Farm.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 00:19 |
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Duly noted.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 00:21 |
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Cervid posted:Duly noted. I have been 'that' guy and done you a huge keen post in the Farm. I accept PayPal or your agonised screams as you hack off your fingers over webcam to appease my twisted whims. edit: option 2 i can offer you a couple knuckle discount, this being your first time and all
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quote:Jeza: Diary of Dr. Johann von Klintz, 3rd August, 1864 trans. Klaus Einhart This is good with reservations. It has a strong, nauseating punch. The stuffy old fashioned style mostly works, though you need to pay more attention to sentence construction and balancing of clauses and subclauses next time you do it. Also – writing old fashioned does not license you to abuse the adverb. It does not. I think the biggest problem for me is that the murder of the translator comes from nowhere, and goes to nowhere. A reference to the behaviour that might have led to it would have helped. Plus, the context (a diary entry) makes no sense – you should have split it into one entry describing the night with the consul, and another describing the torture. As it is you have the narrator writing a story, the end of which he knows, as if he didn’t. quote:Helsing: Pharsalus Not many notes, because this is all solid. The only real failing is that it’s not very horrifying – but it reads well as a creepy segment of a larger tale. quote:Auraboks: A personal letter, ca 1930 (Waste of a title, though I understand why you chose it) This is competent epistolary C19th horror patter, but nothing goddam happens. READING BOOKS IS NOT INTERESTING. (ps kidz ignor, reading is cool stay in school)
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Doing Mercedes out of order because he's a fuckin' trooper. Good luck with the jobhunt mate.quote:Mercedes: Proclaim This. I actually like the opening of this, and the Great Emancipator being stalked by a ghost and the business with the faces is a decent horror premise. You really need to sort your tenses though. And the writing gets clumsier and more melodramatic as you proceed. But definitely some decent elements in there. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Aug 15, 2013 |
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sebmojo posted:Doing Mercedes out of order because he's a fuckin' trooper. Good luck with the jobhunt mate. Thanks sebmojo! Also, mother loving tenses Jesus Christ. Thanks for the crit!
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 04:46 |
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Sign me up.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 05:14 |
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My life turned completely bullshit all of a sudden, so I think I'm out this week. Have fun, weirdo freaks.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 09:17 |
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Since nobody reads the OP, I'm gonna echo seb and say again DON'T RESPOND TO CRITS IN THIS THREAD And since nobody seems to be capable of finding any threads in CC except this one, here's the Fiction Farm where you can and should discuss your crits. And also, Noah, I'm in this week.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 12:24 |
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Signups are updated with your flash rules.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 16:00 |
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I'd also like to give this one a go.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 21:13 |
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Crits the second! I'll try and finish these up today.quote:Erogenous Beef: Frozen Souls This is pretty drat solid. I’ve called out a few areas where you could have polished it up, but the language is simple and effective, the setup is strong (with the physical horror meshing with the subtler betrayal of the sergeant infecting the army) and the opening and closing lines are tight. This was my second choice for winner. quote:Anathema Device: Ghost Moose (This is a terrible title) OK, that stands up. Yeah the bit with DA PLOT is a little hamfisted, but better to be clumsy and clear than elegant and obfuscated. FUMBLEMOUSE YOU ARE WRONG. That said, your title really is terrible. quote:Kaishai: Indianapolis quote:The Fireside Prayer sebmojo fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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I'm in. God, you have a point about the shouty exposition at the end of my entry last week. Thanks for pointing it out.
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# ? Aug 15, 2013 22:47 |
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My brother fights (or tries to fight) against local political corruption. In.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 01:38 |
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Thanks for the crits, Mercedes and sebmojo--I took the bit about diving to the commissary from a survivor's account. That site has tons of details about the disaster, including a lot more about the sinking and the rescue than I was able to work in.
Kaishai fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Sebmojo posted:That was pretty bad. It reads very like an RPG scenario with mooks being poleaxed by a fire magician or something. The characters are cardboard, the scene unexplained and weightless, the outcome shrugworthy. You could maybe fix it by putting us in the shoes of the interrogator and having him be the one who survives. Perhaps he sacrifices the cops? Something like that would be more interesting than what you’ve presented. It's odd that you say that, because my original approach was going to have the story be a transcript of a secret government tape of the one surviving cop being interviewed. I didn't think it was going well that way, but evidently I should have tried to stick it out. I agree with you 100% on the names; I think the anonymity was a holdover from the original approach but didn't work for the piece as it is. Thanks for critting/apologies for inducing rage!
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Nikaer Drekin posted:It's odd that you say that, because my original approach was going to have the story be a transcript of a secret government tape of the one surviving cop being interviewed. I didn't think it was going well that way, but evidently I should have tried to stick it out. I agree with you 100% on the names; I think the anonymity was a holdover from the original approach but didn't work for the piece as it is. Unlike another one I have yet to crit you didn't make me think you should have maybe been the loser this week (stunt grammar) so there's that.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 03:55 |
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Noah posted:AnathemaDevice:Pick any two previous flash rules. Any from this week, or any ever? Thanks for the awesome crit, seb. Yes, my title sucks. I was hoping to help you guys check my research: there is a mythical "ghost moose" in Maine, which was reported during the time period my story was set in. A man named Sandy Hill shot it, slit its throat, and hung it overnight before butchering it, but it was gone in the morning. Someone near Ashland, ME reported seeing it soon after. The Ashland house was real, and really had moose heads hanging on the walls. I also know a lot about the history of moose hunting in Maine now.
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Anathema Device posted:Any from this week, or any ever? One option is risky. One is 100% safe. Which one do you THINK you should do?
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Pick the risky option! No guts no glory!
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sebmojo posted:OK, that stands up. Yeah the bit with DA PLOT is a little hamfisted, but better to be clumsy and clear than elegant and obfuscated. FUMBLEMOUSE YOU ARE WRONG. WHO DARES AWAKEN THE FUMBLEMOUSE? Sebmojo, while right about the general quality of the prose, has failed to see the moose-haunted forest for the trees. The week's entries were all of a relatively good calibre, so I came down a little harder about things that annoyed me, such as: Firstly there was nothing particularly ghostly about the moose. I did google ghost moose, and discovered that it's a term for a moose infested with ticks, so I wasn't wise to the historical precedent. I was kind of interested in why there was a moose with a slit throat walking around, but no explanation was forthcoming, and no ticks either. Seemed random, but wevs. Secondly, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't make the premise make sense. Horror can be inexplicable, but the human side of it has to be somehow understandable. Take this: quote:Only two men have come back, and they won't say what they saw. But it scared them. Ignoring the crusty old cliché delivering similarly cliché background info, I was annoyed by the fact that nobody has ever returned...except for two hunters who are handily incapable of saying "you know, there's a loving great half-dead Moose up there that would look awesome on your wall and that will run directly at you as soon as you shoot it so lets go back with a really big net." Similarly, just ...why? What's Evil Rich Dude's motivation for moose-assisted homicide? Is it just because he's Evil and Rich and can? If he found some immortal bees would he shoot the hive and then demand you dress up as a flower? Shooting a psycho-moose and then hoping you will too, well, it's not the most diabolically ingenious evil plan, is it, really? You've got this preternaturally survival-prone moose who for some reason cannot recognise the fact that there's this one bastard who keeps on shooting at him, year after year, so that said bastard can enjoy his trample fetish. Except during the trampling apparently he runs away so he won't even see it. What's the point? Just so he can twirl his moustache later and cackle? At least the entry with the Eels had a reason for the demoniacal happenings, the necessity of favourable winds. Maybe I wasn't horrified by it, but I was interested and it flowed from the situation. Here the rules of the hunt seemed to have been invented to support the moment, which ultimately came across as contrived and creaky. Now it's a wonderful thing when all the details of a story click into place and lord knows I've failed to make that happen more times than I've succeeded, but the final thing that pushed this one into my nom for losertar was, after all this failed to hang together, the protagonist shouted/preached the creaky plot at me, in case I was too stupid to have picked up on it. All this ultimately shows is that different judges will look for and see different things, but am I wrong, Sebmojo? Am I really wrong? NO, I AM FUMBLEMOUSE. Also a moose killed my dad, so gently caress 'em.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 09:44 |
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Fumblemouse posted:WHO DARES AWAKEN THE FUMBLEMOUSE? Story fight, then. It is the... only way.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 10:29 |
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sebmojo posted:Story fight, then. Y'all need a judge? I got your back.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 11:54 |
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sebmojo posted:This is a good piece, though it maybe needs a little more attention to the set up. Also, split up your sentences more. If you have two thoughts separated by a but, it's often better just to have two sentences. Cheers for the crit. I have never felt more uncomfortable writing something, especially when trying to toe the line between saying not enough and too much. Have written down the butt advice, will try and use it. I want to write something happy this week. The Cambodian genocide is fascinating in a horrific way, in that it was a completely politically driven autogenocide: the murder of a people by that group. Also the world stood by and watched, and supported the regime. I have been to the death camp where the Chankiri tree is, and it is beautiful - trees and butterflies. Dead people make excellent fertilizer. As no one hit my booby trap theme this week (the horrors of nuclear war) I will crit the last entry in before the deadline
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 12:30 |
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sebmojo posted:Story fight, then. Agreed. Time to use your words, benighted one. Someone prompt us up (but keep the word count low for the love of all that's tentacular, I got minions to manage at the moment and those little ragamuffins are time intensive).
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Fumblemouse posted:Agreed. Time to use your words, benighted one. Someone prompt us up (but keep the word count low for the love of all that's tentacular, I got minions to manage at the moment and those little ragamuffins are time intensive). Thunderbrawl: Fumblemouse v. Sebmojo Word Count: 750 words Deadline: Saturday the 25th, 23:59:59 UTC+0 As you're both feeling pugnacious after an ichorous week grading horror: write punctilious prose about a person whose life is deeply changed by a blood sport, real or invented. Focus on the emotion and the changes wrought by the character's relationship with the sport. What draws the character in? How does it change them? Are the changes for better or worse? Focus on character development, not gore.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 13:18 |
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Signups close in 12 hours. But probably like 6 because deal.
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# ? Aug 16, 2013 18:45 |
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Noah posted:Signups close in 12 hours. But probably like 6 because deal. lol in
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 03:29 |
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Signupz closed.
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 04:36 |
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Martello posted:Hillock, if you don't submit or tell me when yer gonna submit, I'll just settle the score between Capntastic and Jagermonster. Hillock has been posting in other threads; they care not for their loss.
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 05:02 |
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Capntastic posted:Hillock has been posting in other threads; they care not for their loss. Yeah, settle up. Hillock might need a toxx if he wants to show his face here again. Crits for the last three stories coming later tonight when I'm procrastinating on writing something else.
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 05:39 |
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Well, unfortunately, I must withdraw my entry. I have real life problems that I'd rather not tell the internet and its unlikely I'll even be online for about two or three weeks, much less be able to write, and my story isn't near finished. You guys kick each others' butts!
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 23:22 |
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Cervid posted:Well, unfortunately, I must withdraw my entry. I have real life problems that I'd rather not tell the internet and its unlikely I'll even be online for about two or three weeks, much less be able to write, and my story isn't near finished. You guys kick each others' butts! i hope your baby is born happy and healthy.
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# ? Aug 17, 2013 23:56 |
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crabrock posted:i hope your baby is born happy and healthy. Speaking of which, is it more honorable to submit a poor story, or pull out? I did more moving this weekend than I anticipated and haven't had time to write something I don't hate.
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