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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

I wanted orange.

It gave me lemon-lime.



DrDork posted:

No, they do not. They run Google's suite of internet-run tools and other online-only stuff (java apps, etc) and that's about it.

As to the E430, there's nothing terribly wrong with it except it's an E series and it's 1366x768 and $600--I might bite at $450, but $600 is a rip-off. Use the B&N link in the OP and you can set yourself up with a T430 with 1600x900 screen and Intel 6205 Wifi, all for $655. Very, very much worth the extra $55. The 16GB SSD cache is another $40 but whatever, they're kinda a gimmick anyhow.

Ok, I'll investigate that soon. Thanks.

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





There are a couple of Thinkpad x120's floating around in SA Mart on any given day. Generally under $450.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



Hadlock posted:

There are a couple of Thinkpad x120's floating around in SA Mart on any given day. Generally under $450.

Nice machines but they cost that much when they were released and were slow then. The Intel ULV options were always miles ahead in CPU performance, the only thing the E series AMD chips had going for them was the graphics chip.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Герой Советского Союза



Is there such a thing as a Clevo with an HD4600, no dGPU, and an IPS matte screen?

Sendo
Jul 26, 2011



Brut posted:

Is there such a thing as a Clevo with an HD4600, no dGPU, and an IPS matte screen?

Nope, the closest is the W740SU which has the HD5200.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


My mom is looking for a laptop, and doesn't like my idea of a t430. She visits her sisters a lot and wants to do lots of typing, but also watch movies on it and wants a 20" screen with 1080p, which I don't think even exists. How do I talk her into a Lenovo instead, or is the a brand I'm unaware of that would work for this? Budget of 1k.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

mastershakeman posted:

My mom is looking for a laptop, and doesn't like my idea of a t430. She visits her sisters a lot and wants to do lots of typing, but also watch movies on it and wants a 20" screen with 1080p, which I don't think even exists. How do I talk her into a Lenovo instead, or is the a brand I'm unaware of that would work for this? Budget of 1k.

No such thing exists. Except a Lenovo with a separate external 20" monitor.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


What about focusing on 17" laptops? My guess is that it's almost impossible to see a difference in resolution from 1920x1080 to the 1366x whatever at such a small screen, even up close.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



mastershakeman posted:

My mom is looking for a laptop, and doesn't like my idea of a t430. She visits her sisters a lot and wants to do lots of typing, but also watch movies on it and wants a 20" screen with 1080p, which I don't think even exists. How do I talk her into a Lenovo instead, or is the a brand I'm unaware of that would work for this? Budget of 1k.

You're not going to tell the differences between 720 and 1080 while watching a movie on a 20" screen, at least not from any further back than 2-3 feet.

Saeger made this 20" beast:


(17" Alienware on top for reference)

Dell made some 18" or 19" laptop as well.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

17" laptops are pretty much all terrible.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to say about resolution, but 1366x is pretty excessively bad for a 17" screen even by my standards, and I'm not one of those people who makes a big fuss about display dpi, because when you use it as a computer and not a tv, your face is going to be close to the screen.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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mastershakeman posted:

What about focusing on 17" laptops? My guess is that it's almost impossible to see a difference in resolution from 1920x1080 to the 1366x whatever at such a small screen, even up close.
Your guess is completely wrong. 1366x768 is lovely lovely lovely even on a 14" screen and it will be especially painful to look at on a 17". Since she's going to be typing she's going to be looking at a lot of text and that's where pixel density is the most important. 17" is also a terrible idea for reasons outlined in the OP.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



It's a huge difference. 125+ ppi is about the point where people start to say "everything is too small", which is what 1080p on a 17" ends up being. 1366 is a comically large 92 ppi on a 17" screen.

1920x1080 @ 17" = 129.58 ppi
1366x768 @ 17" = 92.18 ppi

An 11" MacBook Air @ 1366 is about the same ppi as a 17" @ 1080.

1366@768 @ 11.6" = 135 ppi

For shits and giggles I looked up what VGA would be on a 14-15" monitor back in the day.

320x200 @ 13.8" = 27.34 ppi (what games like Doom ran at)
640x480 @ 13.8" = 57.97 ppi (what you probably ran Win 3.11 or 95 at)

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Thanks. I reread the OP in a more thorough manner and follow you now. If the 430s screen is subpar, what ThinkPad is recommended for heavy movie watching and typing?

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.

mastershakeman posted:

Thanks. I reread the OP in a more thorough manner and follow you now. If the 430s screen is subpar, what ThinkPad is recommended for heavy movie watching and typing?

Oh, I know the thread's response to this one. The answer is a completely unsarcastic "MacBook Air".

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

mastershakeman posted:

Thanks. I reread the OP in a more thorough manner and follow you now. If the 430s screen is subpar, what ThinkPad is recommended for heavy movie watching and typing?

The 430 is fine. If not, then the top 1080p screen in the T530 is probably one of the best affordable TN screens available.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Cream_Filling posted:

The 430 is fine. If not, then the top 1080p screen in the T530 is probably one of the best affordable TN screens available.

That's the one I'm looking at. I'm a bit leery of going TN instead of IPS based on the advice in the OP, though.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

mastershakeman posted:

That's the one I'm looking at. I'm a bit leery of going TN instead of IPS based on the advice in the OP, though.

You can count the number of options with that feature in your price range on one hand, and all will have large trade-offs in return. It's not that big a deal if you're a general user, since it's unlikely whatever you're replacing had a great screen anyway.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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The T440s (and probably T440) is going to have a 1920x1080 IPS option and I'm going to buy the poo poo out of it.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

The T440s (and probably T440) is going to have a 1920x1080 IPS option and I'm going to buy the poo poo out of it.

I seriously doubt it will be under $1000 though. That screen is probably a $400-500 option, based on my raw guessing.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Cream_Filling posted:

I seriously doubt it will be under $1000 though. That screen is probably a $400-500 option, based on my raw guessing.
The 1080p (TN) option on the T530 is $250 right now, I'd expect it to be $300 or less on the T440. Even if it's higher, my budget doesn't stop at $1000

There's also supposed to be an IPS option on the 1600x900 panel, which might be a $50 upgrade like on the X230.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Those displays are a month away at least, though, right?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

The 1080p (TN) option on the T530 is $250 right now, I'd expect it to be $300 or less on the T440. Even if it's higher, my budget doesn't stop at $1000

There's also supposed to be an IPS option on the 1600x900 panel, which might be a $50 upgrade like on the X230.

I think your price estimates are a bit low, though obviously I have nothing solid to go on. But look at the price jumps in even crappy Acers once you start putting a nicer screen in there - an aspire ultrabook with a 14" ips retails for $1400. Or the $625 Dreamcolor display in HP's pro laptops, though obviously they're 17" and 10 bit color so it's not a direct comparison.

A 1080p IPS monitor at that size is going to be pretty pricey. I'd stick to my $400 guess, especially since it's going to be a high-end option and so probably won't have huge volumes plus offers the opportunity for extra profit off of less price-sensitive customers.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012




mastershakeman posted:

That's the one I'm looking at. I'm a bit leery of going TN instead of IPS based on the advice in the OP, though.

If you want IPS, you'll probably have to step down to a 13.3" laptop and a price of ~$1000 to have many options. I think there are a few 15" options (ivy/sandy bridge Samsung Series 9 maybe?), but I believe they're pretty expensive.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Cream_Filling posted:

A 1080p IPS monitor at that size is going to be pretty pricey. I'd stick to my $400 guess, especially since it's going to be an option and so probably won't have huge volumes.
Screen prices have been dropping. Last week I bought a 21.5" 1920x1080 IPS monitor for $120 and if everything goes according to expectation I'll be buying a device with a 7" 1920x1200 IPS panel for $230 (ok I'm probably going to buy the $280 version but still).

The panel itself should cost Lenovo under $100 and they're also not needing to burn one of their 1600x900 panels already included in the base price, so the issue isn't cost/margin as much as it is how much Lenovo thinks customers will pay, and my estimate on that is $300.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



mastershakeman posted:

That's the one I'm looking at. I'm a bit leery of going TN instead of IPS based on the advice in the OP, though.

TN has such a wide range in terms of viewing/image quality. The screen on my T420 is utter trash and ruins what is otherwise a really good laptop. In contrast, my 2010 MacBook Pro I paid far too much for also has a 15" matte TN screen, but it's actually pretty drat good, and the viewing angles are not awful (though still not as good as IPS).

I mean it comes down to the fact that you are staring at that screen every time you use the laptop, so why skimp on it?

movax fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jul 22, 2013

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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movax posted:

TN has such a wide gamut.
Not usually

movax
Aug 30, 2008






Didn't even think about that as I posted it, hah. Fixed now.

SoggyGravy
Jul 14, 2008

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Wow I cannot find a w230ST with 4702 cpu anymore....what gives?

EDIT: So it looks like I cannot find the 4702 CPU available at any of the resellers I checked, not sure why. Should I try and wait to see if I can somehow find one or am I okay going with the 4700? I wish I had a better sense of this but it is the last decision remaining before I hit buynow with no regrets.

SoggyGravy fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 22, 2013

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





Bob Morales posted:

It's a huge difference. 125+ ppi is about the point where people start to say "everything is too small", which is what 1080p on a 17" ends up being. 1366 is a comically large 92 ppi on a 17" screen.

1920x1080 @ 17" = 129.58 ppi
1366x768 @ 17" = 92.18 ppi

An 11" MacBook Air @ 1366 is about the same ppi as a 17" @ 1080.

1366@768 @ 11.6" = 135 ppi

For shits and giggles I looked up what VGA would be on a 14-15" monitor back in the day.

320x200 @ 13.8" = 27.34 ppi (what games like Doom ran at)
640x480 @ 13.8" = 57.97 ppi (what you probably ran Win 3.11 or 95 at)

Here is my care-cat post from the last thread, I've also updated one of the OP posts with some more link spam and price history of thinkpads. At some point if I get bored at work I will graph Thinkpad price fluctuations over time.

code:
-Laptops-
Screen size, Vertical Resolution, PPI, Description
15" 1080 - 145 ppi hi- end 15" laptop
15" 900 -  120 ppi mid ran 15" laptop
15" 768 -  103 ppi low end 15" laptop

14" 900 -  131 ppi mid ran 14" laptop
14" 768 -  112 ppi low end 14" laptop

13" 1600 - 226 ppi MBPr    13" laptop 
13" 900 -  127 ppi mac bk  13" laptop
12" 768 -  125 ppi mid ran 12" laptop
11" 768 -  135 ppi mac bk  11" laptop

-Phones-
5.0" 1080 - 441 ppi high end Galaxy S4
4.8"  720 - 305 ppi high end Galaxy S3
4.7"  768 - 318 ppi high end Nexus 4
4.0"  480 - 223 ppi low  end Nexus S
3.5"  640 - 325 ppi high end iPhone 5
2.9"  640 - 329 ppi mid rang iPhone 4

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 22, 2013

sports
Sep 1, 2012


Hadlock posted:

Here is my care-cat post from the last thread, I've also updated one of the OP posts with some more link spam and price history of thinkpads. At some point if I get bored at work I will graph Thinkpad price fluctuations over time.

Could you graph OEM ThinkPad prices (From Lenovo, sans discount) along with Mac prices?

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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The discount prices should be shown as well since everyone in the US can get them at that price.

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

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SoggyGravy posted:

Wow I cannot find a w230ST with 4702 cpu anymore....what gives?

EDIT: So it looks like I cannot find the 4702 CPU available at any of the resellers I checked, not sure why. Should I try and wait to see if I can somehow find one or am I okay going with the 4700? I wish I had a better sense of this but it is the last decision remaining before I hit buynow with no regrets.

Again, you will see zero real-world performance gain or loss between the two before your entire CPU is comically outdated.

voltron posted:

Oh, I know the thread's response to this one. The answer is a completely unsarcastic "MacBook Air".


I don't know if you're stupid, trolling, or both, but the Macbook Air is probably the best portable computer out there, pound for pound and dollar for dollar.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





I only have US discount (B&N link) price data, because that's what I posted in the last thread. If anyone has a better source of information, I'd be happy to include it.

SoggyGravy
Jul 14, 2008

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[quote="InstantInfidel" post="417710978"]
Again, you will see zero real-world performance gain or loss between the two before your entire CPU is comically outdated.



The reason I ask is not from a power stance but rather from a heat stance since I want the 4702 but cannot seem to find it available at any place I have located (if you know of one please let me know as I have checked Xotic, Malibi, LPC-Digital and powernotebook.com). Rather my question is will the additional wattage and heat from the 4700 be significant enough to warrant trying to find how to get a 4702?

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





So, the S-Series thinkpad is now showing up in the US store. No price yet. 1600x900 max resolution, 250 nits brightness (average). Yawn.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptop...s431/#techspecs

The 02 model i7 is about 21% more power efficient... but only when it's not running at idle, which will be about 99.99% of the time. Few if any Sandybridge/Ivybridge/Haswell CPUs will ever see 25% utilization on average unless you're doing something like BOINC or Folding@Home.

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 23, 2013

InstantInfidel
Jan 8, 2010

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SoggyGravy posted:

[quote="InstantInfidel" post="417710978"]
Again, you will see zero real-world performance gain or loss between the two before your entire CPU is comically outdated.



The reason I ask is not from a power stance but rather from a heat stance since I want the 4702 but cannot seem to find it available at any place I have located (if you know of one please let me know as I have checked Xotic, Malibi, LPC-Digital and powernotebook.com). Rather my question is will the additional wattage and heat from the 4700 be significant enough to warrant trying to find how to get a 4702?

If you can't find it, you can't find it. It may or may not show back up, it's probably a supply problem and could therefor be tomorrow or next month. There's no way to know.

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.


Lipstick Apathy

So I'm needing to get a laptop for school and I plan to using it as my main system for doing soildworks 3D, wordprocessing stuff and a bit of gaming, LoL, minecraft, maybe darksouls, I was looking on the Lenovo website and came up with this

ThinkPad T530
Expand allStart Over
Processor:Intel Core i5-3380M Processor
Operating System:Windows 8 64
Display Type:15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) LED Backlit AntiGlare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
System Graphics:NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology, 1GB DDR3 Memory
Total Memory:8 GB DDR3 - 1600MHz (2 DIMM)
Keyboard:Keyboard US English
Pointing Device:UltraNav without Fingerprint Reader
Hard Drive:500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical Device:DVD-ROM 8x Max Ultrabay Enhanced (clipped Rambo) w/ SW Royalty for Windows 8
System Expansion Slots:Express Card Slot & 4-in-1 Card Reader & Bezel
Battery:9 Cell Li-Ion TWL 70++
Bluetooth:None
Integrated WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters:ThinkPad 1x1 b/g/n
Integrated Mobile Broadband:Mobile Broadband upgradable
Microsoft Productivity Software Preload:None
Adobe Elements:None

Wether or not this is over kill for my needs. At aus $2,389 is the money is pay for this good value?

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003




Young Orc

Michymech posted:

So I'm needing to get a laptop for school and I plan to using it as my main system for doing soildworks 3D, wordprocessing stuff and a bit of gaming, LoL, minecraft, maybe darksouls, I was looking on the Lenovo website and came up with this

ThinkPad T530
Expand allStart Over
Processor:Intel Core i5-3380M Processor
Operating System:Windows 8 64
Display Type:15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) LED Backlit AntiGlare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
System Graphics:NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology, 1GB DDR3 Memory
Total Memory:8 GB DDR3 - 1600MHz (2 DIMM)
Keyboard:Keyboard US English
Pointing Device:UltraNav without Fingerprint Reader
Hard Drive:500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical Device:DVD-ROM 8x Max Ultrabay Enhanced (clipped Rambo) w/ SW Royalty for Windows 8
System Expansion Slots:Express Card Slot & 4-in-1 Card Reader & Bezel
Battery:9 Cell Li-Ion TWL 70++
Bluetooth:None
Integrated WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters:ThinkPad 1x1 b/g/n
Integrated Mobile Broadband:Mobile Broadband upgradable
Microsoft Productivity Software Preload:None
Adobe Elements:None

Wether or not this is over kill for my needs. At aus $2,389 is the money is pay for this good value?

Myabe I'm not up on Australian pricing but I don't know how any laptop could be worth $2400, let alone one with a platter drive and what seems to be a middling GPU.

LurkingAsian
Jul 27, 2007
Shhhh.......

So I just received my W230ST. First impressions are generally positive. The keyboard is very nice and the build quality seems solid. Its plastic, but fairly sturdy and well constructed. The screen has excellent viewing angles, as would be expected from an ips panel. The fan is quiet at idle but really loud under load, it has an annoying tendency to surge to max speed every once in a while. Built in speakers are quiet and sound tinny, they are really bad. With an ambient temp of 82F the keyboard sits at 105F when idle, under load it gets to about 120F.

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Jul 14, 2008

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LurkingAsian posted:

So I just received my W230ST. First impressions are generally positive. The keyboard is very nice and the build quality seems solid. Its plastic, but fairly sturdy and well constructed. The screen has excellent viewing angles, as would be expected from an ips panel. The fan is quiet at idle but really loud under load, it has an annoying tendency to surge to max speed every once in a while. Built in speakers are quiet and sound tinny, they are really bad. With an ambient temp of 82F the keyboard sits at 105F when idle, under load it gets to about 120F.

Can you message me on steam at Soggygravy I'd love to ask you some questions. I found Mythlogic resellers offer 4702 with the following configuration I was thinking of pulling the trigger...a bit on the pricier side for the laptop though I think? (Also I never used Windows 8 is it abhorrent, should I just stick with 7?)


Lucid Logix MVP Mobile Lucid Logix MVP 2.0 Mobile Increase your graphics performance, a $54.99 Value
Mobile Chassis MYTHLOGIC Chaos 1313 Chassis (Clevo W230ST)
What da Puck?? Gargoyle Beer Money - Single
Exterior Finish Rubberized Finish
Mobile Display 13.3" Full HD (1920x1080) Matte IPS LCD
Dead Pixel Guarantee None
Monitor Calibration Free MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration
CPU Intel Core i7-4702MQ 2.2GHz, 6M L3 Cache, 22nm, DDR3L-1600MHz, Quad-Core Mobile Processor
Thermal Compound Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
System Memory 8GB (2 x 4GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM (Low Voltage)
Video Adapter NVIDIA 765M 2048MB GDDR5 DX11 GPU with Optimus Technology / Embedded Intel HD Graphics
External Optical Drive None
RAID [Requires Identical Hard Drive Selections] None
mSATA Solid State Drive 1 None
mSATA Solid State Drive 2 None
Hard Drive 750GB (w/ 8GB SSD Memory) 7200 32MB Cache SATA Momentus XT Solid State Hybrid Drive
Keyboard Standard Backlit Keyboard - Chiclet
Mouse None
Network Card Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000 Mbits/sec) LAN subsystem
Wireless Card Intel Centrino Advanced-AC 7260 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth
Bluetooth Integrated Bluetooth 4.0 Only With Intel 2230/6235/7260 AND Killer 1202 Wireless
Wireless Router None
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium
Anti-Virus Software Microsoft Security Essentials
Productivity None
Extra Battery None
Extra AC Adapter None
Laptop Sleeve | MYTHLOGIC Recommends SLAPPA Gear None
Laptop Case | MYTHLOGIC Recommends SLAPPA Gear None
Wireless Display None
Notebook Cooler None
MYTHLOGIC Assurance MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 1 Year Parts Warranty, 1 Yr 2-Way Shipping Cont US
Phoenix Upgrade Plan Lifetime Phoenix Upgrade Plan
Accidental coverage and Insurance None
FREE MYTHLOGIC T-Shirt Pick a size MYTHLOGIC Tribal T-Shirt - Medium
MYTHLOGIC System Media + Mousepad MYTH Mousepad and System Media

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