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OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

DrDork posted:

So I guess we should just stay with 1336x768, because it's "perfectly readable" and you can't figure out how to get more use out of your space, 'eh? Well, if that's what you believe, you're welcome to stick with your low resolutions and enjoy it. For the rest of us, we'll happily consider the high-resolution offerings available and make decisions from there. Should everyone buy an Ativ just because of the screen, or drop an extra $500 for a similar upgrade? Of course not--and no one ever suggested that such a screen was something that was appropriate for every laptop or every user. But that you cannot fathom how some people might like the extra crispness or utility of it is just flat out willful ignorance. There's a lot more than just reading blocks of text out there, too: being able to view multiple images side by side without having to downscale them, for instance.

The iPhone 3 vs 4 screen was the same size and ratio, but double the DPI. Despite the text and images and everything on the iPhone 3 being perfectly readable and usable, and despite you not being able to use or view any more on the 4 vs the 3, guess which one looked better? Guess which one people wanted? See where I'm going with this? We're all aware that the text scaling in Win8 isn't perfect, but it's not bad, and it's getting better. There is also a large number of uses for high-res screens which don't hinge on text at all: my wife would love a screen like that for portable Photoshop editing, for instance. Also, can I mention 3k porn? 'Nuff said.

There's this thing called diminishing returns you may have heard of. The thing that makes it so that having a larger number does not make something an unambiguous improvement that's worth the additional cost. But please continue being a prissy jerk who gets mad and rages at strawmen when people have different opinions on what's worthwhile or not, especially when they're presented specifically as recommendations to an idealized "average user" to look before they leap.

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DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Cream_Filling posted:

There's this thing called diminishing returns you may have heard of. The thing that makes it so that having a larger number does not make something an unambiguous improvement that's worth the additional cost. But please continue being a prissy jerk who gets mad and rages at strawmen when people have different opinions on what's worthwhile or not, especially when they're presented specifically as recommendations to an idealized "average user" to look before they leap.
But no one except you is talking about recommendations to an idealized "average user." Strawman, indeed.

Diminishing returns are, indeed, A Thing, but they certainly don't kick in at 1600x900, and the price difference of the 3200x1800 screen on the Ativ (relative to the rest of its hardware) isn't much more at all than the jump from 1600x900 to 1920x1080 on many other laptops.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

DrDork posted:

But no one except you is talking about recommendations to an idealized "average user." Strawman, indeed.

Diminishing returns are, indeed, A Thing, but they certainly don't kick in at 1600x900, and the price difference of the 3200x1800 screen on the Ativ (relative to the rest of its hardware) isn't much more at all than the jump from 1600x900 to 1920x1080 on many other laptops.

Uh, is there someone other than me who's getting jumped on by people with a weird need to justify their spending choices to others? My previous posts stated my personal opinion based on my own experiences with similarly specced screens that they're usually not that useful or worth the price, and I went on to say that the average user should definitely try before they buy. I have no idea why you are getting so angry. Not everyone has the same needs as you and you don't have to justify every purchase you make purely on utility either.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

You have argued several times that the higher DPI is useless, there's no possible extra utility to be gained from the higher resolution, etc. All of which may be true for you and your personal uses, but are not true in a generalized manner (iPhone comparison), let alone in a specialized manner for other people with particular needs or wants. Also you've jumped back and forth between trying to say you're just expressing your personal opinions, and making judgements/recommendations for an idealized average user, so forgive me if I'm not entirely sure which track you're trying to play.

No one's trying to justify a purchase here, either. I'm just really confused as to why you have such a negative opinion of nice, high-res screens.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


blackflare posted:

I skimmed through the OP, and admittedly I don't know a ton about laptops, but my friend is looking for some advice in buying one for herself soon. Her cousin suggested she buy this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16834231074 . She's looking for something that will play minecraft reasonably well and isn't a piece of garbage. The hardware here seems ok to me, but I thought it might be better to get another opinion before she spends a bunch of money. I can probably convince her to go up to around 600$ if the sub 500 range is as bad as the OP seems to suggest.

That looks like a reasonable purchase. She would probably enjoy a higher resolution screen, in which case the next step up in that same price range would be a Sony Vaio.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

DrDork posted:

You have argued several times that the higher DPI is useless, there's no possible extra utility to be gained from the higher resolution, etc. All of which may be true for you and your personal uses, but are not true in a generalized manner (iPhone comparison), let alone in a specialized manner for other people with particular needs or wants. Also you've jumped back and forth between trying to say you're just expressing your personal opinions, and making judgements/recommendations for an idealized average user, so forgive me if I'm not entirely sure which track you're trying to play.

No one's trying to justify a purchase here, either. I'm just really confused as to why you have such a negative opinion of nice, high-res screens.

Because I've used them and don't think that they're that special or useful, either for me personally or for the average user. You go ahead and buy one if you like but it's silly to get so worked up about people who don't think it's that big a deal and dare to voice a dissenting opinion. If anything, I'd personally rather spring for better view angles, color reproduction, or contrast/brightness over resolution if I was given the choice for a premium screen option on a non-tablet laptop.

I'm also not particularly convinced by the arguments that they somehow offer more utility to the general user. I'm not a fan of your iPhone example because first of all, smartphones are not computers and you don't hold a laptop up to your face. Secondly, there was no non-retina option for the iPhone 4. A better example for that argument would be the retina MBP, which as I recall has a far lower take rate compared to the non-retina MBP or other mac laptops. Not exactly searing proof either way considering the many other factors at play, but still better than the iPhone example.

OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Aug 31, 2013

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

The point of the iPhone comparison was to note that even though there was zero extra utility gained from the resolution bump, people still gushed and loved it because of the increased clarity and crispness that it provided--that's all I was saying with it: that it's something that people do actually want, utility or no. How much they're willing to pay for it is, of course, an open question, but the desire for it is there.

If you're going to make arguments based on sales numbers alone, then all anyone really wants is a poo poo-box <$500 Best Buy special with a 1336x768 TN screen, since those are what make up the majority of personal sales these days. Pretty sure we both know that's not really the case, though.

Good Canadian Boy
May 12, 2013



What does everyone think of this?:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicati...1979&CatId=4936

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Terrible. A last-gen CPU, 1336x768 screen, no dGPU, and it's a refurb so you get a crap warranty. Yet it's still almost $600. For about $70 more, you can use the B&N link in the OP to get a baseline T430 w/1600x900 screen that will perform about the same, yet be of much better build quality and carry a full warranty.

Also, it's substantially cheaper at NewEgg: $504 which is a much more reasonable price for it. I'd still suggest spending the extra cash on a T430, but $500 is a fair(ish) price for that ASUS.

Meltycat
May 20, 2006

Melty and adorable!



Speaking of high-res screens, does anyone know of up-and-coming user-serviceable laptops with high-res screens (2560x1440+) that -aren't- ultrabooks?

So far I know of the Dell m3800
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/...800-workstation

and the Apple rMBP.

Everything else seems to be in the ultrabook category, complete with soldered components. I'd like to be able to upgrade to 16GB RAM, as one of the applications I'm working with eats around 7.2GB on its own easily. I also want to be able to put my own storage into the machine, and fix other components if needed. I'm under the impression that most if not all of these ultrabooks solder components directly into the machine, with even the new Lenovos having one of the two DIMM slots soldered.

One more question -- I bought an old Lenovo T61P laptop to hold me over, but the battery's dead. I bought a replacement on Amazon but it doesn't fit well, and my laptop turns off/loses power if I bump it wrong. Anyone know of a good site to buy replacement batteries that work?

Meltycat fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 31, 2013

TomWaitsForNoMan
May 28, 2003

By Any Means Necessary


Other than the lack of driver updates, is there another reason not to get a Vaio Pro?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Meltycat posted:

Everything else seems to be in the ultrabook category, complete with soldered components. I'd like to be able to upgrade to 16GB RAM, as one of the applications I'm working with eats around 7.2GB on its own easily. I also want to be able to put my own storage into the machine, and fix other components if needed. I'm under the impression that most if not all of these ultrabooks solder components directly into the machine, with even the new Lenovos having one of the two DIMM slots soldered.
A lot of them do have soldered RAM, which is lovely, but most if not all ultrabooks still utilize some sort of more or less normal storage--be it a HDD or mSATA SSD or whatever. How easily you can replace it varies quite a bit, though. The T440s, for example, still should be pretty easy to swap drives on, others not so much.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

Other than the lack of driver updates, is there another reason not to get a Vaio Pro?

I have used one a fair bit. It seems to be getting pretty frequently updated still. My biggest complaints are that there isn't a lot of travel on the keys, which is pretty common on superlight ultrabooks these days, and that the screen angle can't be adjusted back past a certain angle. For normal use that isn't a big issue, but sometimes I wish I could push the screen back a little further when working with it on my lap. The fan is a touch on the whiny side when it's going full tilt too, but that isn't very common.

It's unbelievably light and the screen looks fantastic. Going from a 5-6 pound laptop to a sub 3 pound laptop makes your laptop bag feel nearly empty. It's pretty great.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004






14" 1366 x 768 screen with no graphics upgrade, and it's refurbished. Might as well go buy a new T430 for quite literally the exact same price ($640) but new.

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm

It looks like Sony quietly released non touch screen versions of both pro models. Anyone know if those will be matte?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



DrDork posted:

e; The rMBP is so expensive because it's Apple's top product, and honestly doesn't have a whole lot to do with the extra cost of the screen. It costs that much because it can. You can make similar complaints about pretty much any $2000+ laptop: basically no one actually needs them, no matter what their hardware specs are. Doesn't stop people from buying them because they want 'em, though.
Apple products are simply expensive - once you start to add things like the SSD to the regular MacBook Pro, the price gets close to merging with the rMBP. Same for the Air once you've upgraded the RAM.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.



Naffer posted:

I have used one a fair bit. It seems to be getting pretty frequently updated still. My biggest complaints are that there isn't a lot of travel on the keys, which is pretty common on superlight ultrabooks these days, and that the screen angle can't be adjusted back past a certain angle. For normal use that isn't a big issue, but sometimes I wish I could push the screen back a little further when working with it on my lap. The fan is a touch on the whiny side when it's going full tilt too, but that isn't very common.

It's unbelievably light and the screen looks fantastic. Going from a 5-6 pound laptop to a sub 3 pound laptop makes your laptop bag feel nearly empty. It's pretty great.

Do you have any issues with the flex in the screen or the keyboard? I don't doubt the strength or the lightness of the carbon fibre but I can't help feel like it would annoy me. And how is the battery life?

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro




VorpalFish posted:

It looks like Sony quietly released non touch screen versions of both pro models. Anyone know if those will be matte?

Negative -- they have the same Gorilla Glass covering. Folks with the touchscreen are reporting that the optional screen protector improves visibility in bright light.

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.

I'm trying to decide between a couple laptops. One has a 1600:900 resolution and the other a 1920:1080.

Will I be happy either way coming from a 1366:768?

Calidus
Oct 31, 2011

Stand back I'm going to try science!

voltron posted:

I'm trying to decide between a couple laptops. One has a 1600:900 resolution and the other a 1920:1080.

Will I be happy either way coming from a 1366:768?

Really depends on the screen size. 1600x900 is great for 13" and smaller. At 14" I would prefer 1920x1080 but 1600x900 is usable. 15" laptops with less than 1080 just seem bad to me.

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.

Oh I forgot to mention screen sizes. I'm currently on a 14" using the 1366. I like the T440s, but I wish it had a 15".

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



DrDork posted:

Terrible. A last-gen CPU, 1336x768 screen, no dGPU, and it's a refurb so you get a crap warranty. Yet it's still almost $600. For about $70 more, you can use the B&N link in the OP to get a baseline T430 w/1600x900 screen that will perform about the same, yet be of much better build quality and carry a full warranty.

Also, it's substantially cheaper at NewEgg: $504 which is a much more reasonable price for it. I'd still suggest spending the extra cash on a T430, but $500 is a fair(ish) price for that ASUS.

If he's linking Tigerdirect.ca, he can't use the B&N link and you need to adjust all of your reasonable price ranges a good 25% up.

TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

Hmm, are there alternative Haswell ultrabooks I should consider that have a >768 screen? I think the XPS 12 would be a bit too small at 12.5 inches but I'm open to other suggestions

I don't find the XPS12's screen small at all, and that's with my work computer having 3 ridiculous 29 inch screens (I have no idea, I didn't buy them.)

The issue I have with non-convertible touchscreen laptops is there just isn't a reason to reach over that screen and touch anything.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 1, 2013

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)


Cream_Filling posted:

Because I've used them and don't think that they're that special or useful, either for me personally or for the average user.

They are useful for non-average users, though. You can have a couple main windows be a reasonable size but side windows with documentation or some terminals or other files be very tiny and fit a lot more information on the screen. You can also more finely control the font size at which you work on most operating systems.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



I apologize if this is answered in some obvious place, it wasn't in the OP.

What time of year/month is best to buy a laptop?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



mind the walrus posted:

I apologize if this is answered in some obvious place, it wasn't in the OP.

What time of year/month is best to buy a laptop?

June 13th at 4:30 pm. If you buy after that you're going to get screwed.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



Oh poo poo I guess I better take out a loan to make sure it doesn't get worse. Thanks.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



mind the walrus posted:

Oh poo poo I guess I better take out a loan to make sure it doesn't get worse. Thanks.

There is no 'best' time, in general. But there are a few 'good' times.

You have things like Black Friday deals or back to school sales. Then you have things like when a new laptop comes out the old models are discounted. And then you have oddball deals on sites like SlickDeals that just randomly happen.

Then again you can just buy it when you need it - worst case you pay full MSRP, that's a bad deal. Try to get some sort of discount/coupon/freebie/open-box.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



Fair enough. I wasn't sure if there was some regular time of year new models of laptops rolled out the way there seems to be with GPUs.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

mind the walrus posted:

Fair enough. I wasn't sure if there was some regular time of year new models of laptops rolled out the way there seems to be with GPUs.
Nope. Unlike CPUs and GPUs, for whatever reason most laptop manufacturers are very tight-lipped as to when their new models will drop. You can usually figure that there'll be a smattering of new laptops shortly after each new CPU revision drops, but past that it's pretty random. It's particularly bad this time around because Apple for awhile had all the i3/i5's that would make sense to put in mid-range laptops, and no one really knows when exactly the rest of the industry is going to get their hands on enough of them to start shipping more than a token handful of models.

Basically no one has any loving clue.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


First question: what are the opinions on extended warranties? Obviously buying a $50 warranty on a $200 Chromebook doesn't make much sense, but what about an $85 3-year warranty (vs the stock 1-year) on something like the Y410P? Is this generally a case of "if it's going to die, it'll probably be in the first few months" sort of situation?

The Y410P with the B&N link is $789 with the 1600x900 screen. Has it ever been this low? I think that the 1600x900 upgrade always kicked it over $800 in the previous sales

I'm getting tired of waiting for more Haswell H5000+ laptops and am seriously considering this. I'm starting to run out of good reasons to wait; all of the HD5000+ laptops are probably going to be at least $1k, right?

Srebrenica Surprise
Aug 23, 2008

"L-O-V-E's just another word I never learned to pronounce."


I've long past given up on the Haswell IGP if I can get a T440 with the 730M (or better). -s might be over $1k but I can't see the regular one being that pricy, and it seems to have enough spill/drop/whatever protection that I'd feel safer not getting any accidental damage warranty.

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)


QuarkJets posted:

First question: what are the opinions on extended warranties? Obviously buying a $50 warranty on a $200 Chromebook doesn't make much sense, but what about an $85 3-year warranty (vs the stock 1-year) on something like the Y410P? Is this generally a case of "if it's going to die, it'll probably be in the first few months" sort of situation?

If it dies, will you become broke? Extended warranties only make sense if you'll become broke if the machine dies or if you think you'll abuse it worse than the average person that gets extended warranties. In the case of laptops, this is a sign that you're buying a too expensive laptop. In the long run, companies make money off of extended warranties, not you.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


So here's a Forbes article

quote:

Worth The Wait - Intel's Haswell Just Getting Warmed-Up In Notebooks

It’s back-to-school shopping season and though you might be tempted to splurge on a new notebook for junior or yourself (because hey, you deserve it), it could pay dividends to exercise restraint. What’s that? I think I just heard the faint sound of an OEM product manager groan. Cheer-up, bunky, you know there’s a silver lining in that cloud on the horizon, at least in terms of Intel INTC -0.36%-powered machines. But I digress. One word says it all when it comes to notebooks this Q4 buying season – Haswell.

Intel’s 4th generation Core series processors, formerly known by the code name “Haswell,” were officially launched in June but the full force of Intel’s new technology hasn’t hit the channel yet. With the not-so small exception of Apple AAPL -0.91%‘s MacBook Air, the majority of notebooks you’ll find in retail right now are based on Intel’s last-generation Ivy Bridge platform. That may not be a bad thing per se but Haswell is the future and in notebooks, Intel’s future is again rather bright. The primary advantages of Intel’s Haswell Core architecture, as Forbes contributor Pat Moorehead pointed out, are graphics and multimedia performance, as well as power consumption.

Pat was dead-on with this summation and I’ve had a chance to kick the tires personally on Apple’s 2013 MacBook Air, which handled exceptionally well for an ultralight in the benchmarks, thanks in-part to Haswell. From a graphics standpoint I observed anywhere from a 35 percent to 40 percent performance gain over Ivy Bridge HD 4000 graphics, depending on the application, whether it was a synthetic benchmark, 3D rendering application or an actual game engine. Haswell’s performance gain was significant and easily observable in practical use, not just some sterile benchmark metric. What’s more interesting is that the 2013 Apple MacBook Air only sports Intel’s HD Graphics 5000 core, under the hood of its Core i5 4250U processor. Intel’s Iris Graphics and Iris Pro Graphics with embedded DRAM promise to offer two times the performance of Intel’s previous generation Ivy Bridge graphics. That’s where things get really interesting.

With Haswell’s HD 5000 graphics core, we’re already seeing performance that approaches entry-level discrete graphics, with effortless HD video playback, very fast video transcode and frame rates in games that are actually playable at modest resolutions and image quality settings. Intel’s Iris Graphics option in Haswell should take that up a notch and then some, such that gaming at full HD resolution is a reality for the first time on Intel integrated graphics. The operative word is “should” here. Until I get some extensive hands-on time with product, I won’t make any guarantees.

Word from Intel’s mobile CPU team suggests Iris Graphics-enabled ultrabooks and notebooks will hit the market in Q4 but it will likely take “a few sales cycles” before we see a wide breath of systems on the market with Iris on board. Higher-end Iris Pro Graphics options will be available in more premium notebook designs but again, Q4 is the time frame.

What’s perhaps more impressive for many of you will be the battery life advantages of Haswell in this new crop of notebooks. If the performance of Apple’s MacBook Air is any indication, we’re in for a real shot in the arm for untethered up-time. I was personally able to squeeze over 12 hours out of the 2013 MacBook Air in our web browsing test at HotHardware and over 9 hours streaming HD video. That, my friends, is a beautiful thing for any notebook and it left last year’s MacBook Air in the dust. Of course, the new MacBook Air’s battery is just a touch bigger than last year’s, but not enough to affect things at the level of performance delta I was able to observe. Regardless, when you consider how thin and light the Air is, that kind of battery life is impressive.

The key is going to be how quickly manufacturers transition over to the new Haswell platform and integrate Intel’s latest mobile CPU into new and innovate designs. That’s taking longer than I expected, given that September is quickly upon us. Big name manufacturers like ASUS, Acer , Dell DELL +0.07% and Lenovo have all announced new premium products with Haswell on board. The build-up is happening now and I’d say it will be well worth the wait.

It's true that the start of Q4 is right around the corner, but it sounds like we're probably looking at Q1 of next year before a large number of Iris laptops will be available

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

Cacator posted:

Do you have any issues with the flex in the screen or the keyboard? I don't doubt the strength or the lightness of the carbon fibre but I can't help feel like it would annoy me. And how is the battery life?

I should say that it's my significant other's laptop and I only use it occasionally, but the flex isn't really as bad as it's made out to be. Yes there is a little bit more give then you might be used to, but you don't notice it after using it for a day or two. If you primarily use it on a desk or tabletop, you'll probably never notice it at all. It's a bit more noticeable when you're using it on your lap.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



How often do these Lenovo laptops go on sale with the B&N program? I'm looking at a Lenovo Y410p with the 24gb SSD drive for $839, but with all these new laptops coming out should I wait to see what comes down the pipeline?

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008



I'm wondering the same thing. I'd really like to wait for the T440, but it seems nobody has any idea when it will drop.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


DeesGrandpa posted:

How often do these Lenovo laptops go on sale with the B&N program? I'm looking at a Lenovo Y410p with the 24gb SSD drive for $839, but with all these new laptops coming out should I wait to see what comes down the pipeline?

I don't know, but I would suggest not getting the version with the 1TB+24GBSSD HDD. Those things are worthless; the SSD is just used for caching and doesn't have a huge influence on performance like an actual SSD would. You'll get much better results by getting the 1TB HDD version (with the 1600x900 screen of course) and then upgrading to an SSD yourself. If you want the additional storage, put the 1TB HDD into the ultrabay slot and go without an optical drive.

I'm in the same boat as you, but with the 1TB HDD version, which is about $50 cheaper. At < $800 this would be a great laptop. The uncertainty of releases for things like the T440 make me wonder whether waiting will be worth it. That Forbes article makes me suspect that we'll be waiting a long time for a lot of these models, so if you're looking for a laptop right now then you may as well not wait and jump on one of these deals while they last.

e: At this point I'm pretty much just waiting for someone in the thread to tell me that this is a bad idea or something

QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 1, 2013

Jean Eric Burn
Nov 10, 2007



The new Y series stuff is only like 2 months old. Probably will be around the same sale prices for another good 6 months. If I had to guess.

Calidus
Oct 31, 2011

Stand back I'm going to try science!

DeesGrandpa posted:

How often do these Lenovo laptops go on sale with the B&N program? I'm looking at a Lenovo Y410p with the 24gb SSD drive for $839, but with all these new laptops coming out should I wait to see what comes down the pipeline?

All the time, it tends to be a 3 or 4 week cycle. One week a laptop will be 10% off the next it will 25% the week after that I might be 20%. Normally the sales bounce between 20% and 30% off.

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's a handshake in progress


Calidus posted:

All the time, it tends to be a 3 or 4 week cycle. One week a laptop will be 10% off the next it will 25% the week after that I might be 20%. Normally the sales bounce between 20% and 30% off.

What's the lowest price that we've seen the Y410P go for, though? The cheapest model is $739 with the B&N link, I don't think that it has ever gone that low before

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