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- axiom of inherent uncertainty (nothing u know is ever truely real or knowable!) [i made this one]

So what propositions/results can you derive from your cool new axiom when coupled with your other axioms? That the other axioms are just, like, unknowable man?

For instance, it implies that the axiom of choice may not hold in your system. You could derive the same implication about the uncertainty axiom itself. Where does that leave you?

#### John DiFool posted:

So what propositions/results can you derive from your cool new axiom when coupled with your other axioms? That the other axioms are just, like, unknowable man?

For instance, it implies that the axiom of choice may not hold in your system. You could derive the same implication about the uncertainty axiom itself. Where does that leave you?

it leaves him ripping a huge bong hit and then farting into the couch

#### John DiFool posted:

So what propositions/results can you derive from your cool new axiom when coupled with your other axioms? That the other axioms are just, like, unknowable man?

For instance, it implies that the axiom of choice may not hold in your system. You could derive the same implication about the uncertainty axiom itself. Where does that leave you?

dont enable her

#### Mr SuperAwesome posted:

congratulations, you've invented a crappy version of a sierpinski triangle

#### Mr SuperAwesome posted:

congratulations, you've invented a crappy version of a sierpinski triangle

#### Sagebrush posted:

congratulations, you've invented a crappy version of a sierpinski triangle

#### John DiFool posted:

So what propositions/results can you derive from your cool new axiom when coupled with your other axioms? That the other axioms are just, like, unknowable man?

For instance, it implies that the axiom of choice may not hold in your system. You could derive the same implication about the uncertainty axiom itself. Where does that leave you?

uncertainty is inherently recursive, and represented by (-i)^4, it's a quaternion if you're using the correct math.

the inherent contradiction IS there, and that, again, is implied by the inherent uncertainty: you can't exhaustively prove it, nor can you inductively prove it... but it is. something to do with godel's incompleteness and completeness theorem's idk go wikipedia them

fun video of those previous graphs: (gently caress screencaps, im 2 busy to install poo poo)

https://vimeo.com/88778661

https://vimeo.com/88778685

remind u of anything???? beginning from absolutely nothing, and ending in something chaotic? happened a v long time ago?

also note the chaotic strucutres.

this theory is utterly insane, it is a GUT theory i guess. but i've got top to bottom basic down now and gonna start crunching actual numbers, starting with physics of the hydrogen atom. and seeing if it works (after all, thats the only way to see if ur insightful or just an idiot)

also playing around with recursive formulae to try and replicate atomic spectra/orbitals

 flakeloaf Feb 26, 2003 Still better than android clock that is certainly a work of aut e: no seriously though the work that must've gone into that flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Mar 11, 2014 # ? Mar 11, 2014 18:10

#### Sweevo posted:

i see the eagle auto-router hasn't improved

"hey lets route traces 0.5mm from solder points even though there's 10mm of space"

i'm a strong black woman who don't need no autorouter.

seriously, i laid out the traces by hand. where'd i gently caress them up?

 Bloody Mar 3, 2013 the only actual offensive thing i see is the acute angle on the bottom right of the board between the large copper plane and that trace coming off of it. acute angles are the devils work. post the other side or the full layout docs # ? Mar 11, 2014 18:19

#### Bloody posted:

post the other side

#### Werthog 95 posted:

this is very pretty, what'd you use to lay it out

 Bloody Mar 3, 2013 looks pretty inoffensive too bad about eagle tho # ? Mar 11, 2014 20:53
 Doc Block Apr 15, 2003 Fun Shoe what's wrong with eagle? # ? Mar 11, 2014 21:00
 Bloody Mar 3, 2013 everything involving usability primarily # ? Mar 11, 2014 22:07

#### Doc Block posted:

top left looks a little sketchy imo

 Doc Block Apr 15, 2003 Fun Shoe Yeah, just didn't want to have a sharp angle. It's only going to an LED, though, so I guess it wouldn't really matter. Anyway, soldered it all up and it works really well. The fan has a little bit more oomph now Tried to leave a bunch of space around the voltage regulator since I didn't know exactly how big the heatsink was gonna be. Turns out I guessed pretty accurately. The voltage regulator & heatsink get hot, but not so hot you can't grab them and hold on. The MOSFET gets somewhat warm, but not enough to need a heatsink. The diode gets kinda warm. I wonder if the voltage regulator is just getting overworked. Its output filtering capacitor is 10uF; I wanted to put a 50uF on there to account for the big draw from the motor, but didn't have any on hand and forgot to order some. Doc Block fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Mar 12, 2014 # ? Mar 12, 2014 09:49

#### Doc Block posted:

Yeah, just didn't want to have a sharp angle. It's only going to an LED, though, so I guess it wouldn't really matter.

Anyway, soldered it all up and it works really well. The fan has a little bit more oomph now

Tried to leave a bunch of space around the voltage regulator since I didn't know exactly how big the heatsink was gonna be. Turns out I guessed pretty accurately.

The voltage regulator & heatsink get hot, but not so hot you can't grab them and hold on. The MOSFET gets somewhat warm, but not enough to need a heatsink. The diode gets kinda warm. I wonder if the voltage regulator is just getting overworked. Its output filtering capacitor is 10uF; I wanted to put a 50uF on there to account for the big draw from the motor, but didn't have any on hand and forgot to order some.

show us the underside so we can judge your soldering job

 Doc Block Apr 15, 2003 Fun Shoe It's already in the case, or I would. edit: poo poo, just realized I didn't clean the flux off the board. I'll clean the flux off tomorrow and post a pic. # ? Mar 12, 2014 10:22
 SEND SPIKE JONEZ Dec 31, 2006 spike jonez sent leave him alone you bullies # ? Mar 12, 2014 12:01
 SEND SPIKE JONEZ Dec 31, 2006 spike jonez sent i mean docblock not the other guy # ? Mar 12, 2014 12:03
 keymaster02 Mar 11, 2014 I had sex with a 32-year old at 16. SA is run by SJWs. Liking 16-year olds is not pedophilia. I hate your pronoun. I like young boys. I donate to the NAACP and probably NAMBLA too. I want to make my own 8 bit mini. I went on a binge and bought a 6502 knock off. I also bought 32kb of ram, and 16kb of rom that should be bus compatible. I have something I think will work for a keyboard controller. What I don't know how to do is provide video out. I've thought about just doing a serial interface at first, but I'd rather just start with video out. I can't find anything that will really work. Monochrome is fine. Anyone have any suggestions? # ? Mar 12, 2014 13:39
 Sweevo Nov 8, 2007 i sometimes throw cables away i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first im a fucking monster stick to serial for now. there aren't really any simple ways to do video. it would be great if there was a single chip solution that looked like a ram chip to the cpu so you could just wire it up and anything you wrote to it appeared on the screen, but there's isn't one that i know of. all you can get are either crt controller chips that require their own ram, an external DAC, and 20 ttl glue logic chips, or 90s-era vga/svga chips which are designed to work from an intel style bus and all come in annoying surface-mount packages and are hard to get hold of in single quantities. for a basic system i'd go for the z80 over the 6502 as well. the 6502 is a scrub tier processor with weird bus timing that makes using peripheral chips awkward. whereas a z80 will literally work with anything. z80-compatible peripheral chips are far more common, and cheaper too. # ? Mar 12, 2014 13:57
 Jonny 290 May 5, 2005 [ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP i've never done an actual pre-laid out PCB, now i want to. eagle frustrates me every time i try and i end up just trying to draw all these tiny lines and the traces wont work and ARGH # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:20

#### Wintering Stinkbug posted:

I want to make my own 8 bit mini. I went on a binge and bought a 6502 knock off. I also bought 32kb of ram, and 16kb of rom that should be bus compatible. I have something I think will work for a keyboard controller. What I don't know how to do is provide video out. I've thought about just doing a serial interface at first, but I'd rather just start with video out. I can't find anything that will really work. Monochrome is fine. Anyone have any suggestions?
What's an 8-bit mini?

 GameCube Nov 21, 2006 minicomputer. he wants to reinvent the apple ii like it's the 70s. sounds like a fun if ultimately futile project # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:26
 GameCube Nov 21, 2006 i mean, you can just walk into any best buy and just buy a computer, dude. they're right there. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:26
 Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud Apr 7, 2003 Oh. Minicomputer, like a PDP-8? Those didn't use 6502s and were 12-bit anyway. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:27

#### Werthog 95 posted:

minicomputer. he wants to reinvent the apple ii like it's the 70s. sounds like a fun if ultimately futile project

gahh that's a microcomputer. also what Tori said.

 Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud Apr 7, 2003 It owns that millions of people who think they're really smart misuse the phrase "8-bit" every day. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:30
 Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud Apr 7, 2003 *puts on KNOW YOUR ROOTS NES t-shirt* *was born in 1993* # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:31

#### Citizen Tayne posted:

Oh. Minicomputer, like a PDP-8? Those didn't use 6502s and were 12-bit anyway.

#### Dr. Honked posted:

gahh that's a microcomputer. also what Tori said.

i'm young, ignorant, and proud of it.

 Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud Apr 7, 2003 Ignorance owns. I love not knowing what things are. Tone in and drop out. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:36

#### Werthog 95 posted:

ultimately futile project

this should really have been in the thread title for clarity

 Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud Apr 7, 2003 I'm curious how much Wintering Stinkbug paid for his \$1.26 in obsolete silicon. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:38

#### Jonny 290 posted:

i've never done an actual pre-laid out PCB, now i want to. eagle frustrates me every time i try and i end up just trying to draw all these tiny lines and the traces wont work and ARGH

http://www.diptrace.com/ install diptrace.

#### Citizen Tayne posted:

I'm curious how much Wintering Stinkbug paid for his \$1.26 in obsolete silicon.

Shipping and handling was more expensive than the parts. \$10 for all the chips together. I think the processor was \$6. I had everything else I need.

Guess it wouldn't be that big of an investment to purchase a z80.

 Deviant Sep 26, 2003 i've forgotten all of your names. new idiot project: Emmett costume from LEGO movie for local nerdcon. # ? Mar 12, 2014 14:57

#### Bloody posted:

http://www.diptrace.com/ install diptrace.

this is superior to eagle usability-wise?

#### Bloody posted:

http://www.diptrace.com/ install diptrace.

tight! thx

#### Wintering Stinkbug posted:

Shipping and handling was more expensive than the parts. \$10 for all the chips together. I think the processor was \$6. I had everything else I need.

Guess it wouldn't be that big of an investment to purchase a z80.

did you take a look at the manuals and circuit diagrams for ye olde microcpmputers? you might find them interesting, such as this one:

http://archive.6502.org/microcomputers/compukit-uk101/compukit_uk101_manual-dr-aa-berk.pdf

it has a VDU interface n poo poo

that's a version of a micro called the ohio scientific superboard