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So Hibiki is Lucifer, after Lucifer got bored of the whole "King of Hell" schtick, and dcided to try out being one of the high-school students he regularly manipulates?
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Jul 7, 2014 17:01
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warhammer651 posted:So Hibiki is Lucifer, after Lucifer got bored of the whole "King of Hell" schtick, and dcided to try out being one of the high-school students he regularly manipulates? He decided on another career change after getting bored with the nightclub business. Though I'm probably the only one who'll get that.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:11
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SgtSteel91 posted:IMO, Hibiki is the Lucifer in this game. Like Dragonatrix said, he's the one who masterminds the route and has to convince Al and the rest of party to go along with it. Eh, I'd say Hibiki is a closer analogue with the Founder in Overclocked, seeing as they both want to replace the reigning deity with someone else, not themselves.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:16
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Hibiki is the Yes Man option. No Gods No Masters.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:10
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Feinne posted:He decided on another career change after getting bored with the nightclub business. Though I'm probably the only one who'll get that. Poor Mazikeen.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:31
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Feinne posted:He decided on another career change after getting bored with the nightclub business. Though I'm probably the only one who'll get that. Well got to start anew somewhere.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:07
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Seyser Koze posted:Poor Mazikeen. I'd suggest she was around too but there's no character in this whose main purpose is to stab motherfuckers at our behest.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:14
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Take The Shield, Raise The Spear Day 8. Sunday. The Last Day. Let's kick Polaris' interstellar rear end. [Music: Exploration]   Yooo, Hibiki. Rise and shine! I'm asleep.  Everyone's up and gathered in the command room already. You better get moving.  Ah... Good morning, Hibiki. Did you sleep well? Everyone's been waiting for you. Good morning, Shining One. The time for your hard work to bear fruit is nigh. Yeah. That's right. The time has come to defeat Polaris and create a new world.  The world's gonna be reset and it'll be a brand new beginning, right!? Yep! A new world... with no one getting control over us. No more fears of being erased! Everything bad about the world will be gone. A new dawn...! Mm, sounds like fun. Everything about this new world depends on man's possibilities, right? Y-Yeah... But I'm sure we can do something about this! I mean, we've come this far, right? Let's make this the best world we can! R-Right, Hibiki? We'll be fine, yeah? We'll be okay. Haha... all will be well. With the Shining One leading us, we need not worry. Mm. You're right. I can give it my all as long as Hibiki is with us. A-Alright, then... Let's do this, dammit! What's first on the list!? Ronaldo and Yamato.  Chief Hotsuin and Ronaldo. I'd rather not fight them, but there's no avoiding it... No one I know has power or a will like theirs... We must be prepared before facing them. Mmm... But what are they up to now? Probably still planning on fighting, I'd assume... Ughhh... I knew it. Dammit, those guys scare me! But we still gotta do this. That's the spirit. You say your farewells to everyone before leaving...  We don't really have to do this scene yet, but we'll get it out of the way now because this update would be really short otherwise. Uh, I mean it's worth doing now. [Music: Crumbling Routine]  Are you thinking? Hm? Oh, Hibiki. It's not a big deal. Well... Maybe it is! Haha... I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around it.[Music: Connected Hearts]  It's spread this far. And I hear the Edogawa and Etou wards were swallowed into it... So? Well... I guess it doesn't matter at this point, but it's pretty close to where we are. It's not just Edogawa or Etou. The nothingness is expanding, and people are evacuating. There aren't that many cities left standing anymore... Even then, the survivors are being attacked by demons... Everything's falling apart. ...Is this all because the barrier Yamato placed is gone now? We have to hurry. But... We're gonna be okay, right? We've got you after all! ...Haha...!  So, the Last Day is a lot more straight-forward than all the others. It's basically just a boss rush with maps that are fun as hell.   I wonder what he's scheming... does he have a plan, luring us out like this? I dunno. It doesn't feel like they've got anything up their sleeves... Now's our chance! ...Indeed. They must realize that the end draws near. Ronaldo... so he's coming at us without any cheap tricks. Reckless as always...   ...There's the Nagoya faction. With Ronaldo and the others... [Music: Crumbling Routine]  You've come, Hibiki. So has everyone else... and the mystery man. I knew it! Are you confident? Ha... I'd ask you the same! You must realize that the world won't last much longer! Ronaldo, Akie...! You still don't understand? The cause of all this is Polaris! Can any peace Polaris creates be called true peace? ...Makoto. There's no knowing that unless we give it a try.  Haha... well, I agree with Clicky, too. If society's weaknesses are solved, I don't mind what it takes. Even asking Polaris... I see... all right. Let's finish this, then...! Yeah, bring it on! No matter which side wins, no hard feelings, okay? We'll take you on. A-All right... we've got to do this! We've come so far... Let's give it all we've got! ...Very well. They are the last of the Nagoya faction... Let's take care, Shining One.[Music: Challenge to the Fate]  This map can be hilariously easy if you just blast Ronaldo and Joe right away. In this case, though, we're not doing that. There's a couple neat skills to crack here!  Ronaldo isn't quite as threatening as you might expect in comparison to, say, Jungo on the previous day. He's still pretty bad though. Reflects physicals, can double-Deathbound at random AND Endure+ is quite a pain with his team composition.  Joe plays the Strength-Agility build really well and can be quite a problem in general. Thankfully his offensive stat is Magic and not Strength. This makes him a lot weaker than he would be were he competent. Biggest issue is in his demons, not Joe himself.  This guy... this is a random guy and I love him. He's the first person with the Magic Yin auto-skill. Magic Yin is to Magic what Rage Soul is to Strength. I want it. By any means necessary.  Cracks here are very easy to decide. Mana Aid is our fourth and it gives us MP back at the end of a skirmish. This is the only map in the entire game you can get it on. Kind of. There is a second place we can get it, but only in very specific circumstances.  Most of the dudes here aren't really an issue, honestly.  Some, like this guy, sort of have lite-versions of things that would be threatening normally.  But between the regular guy's lower stats, and ability to prepare for these properly now, Rage Soul+Attack All is a non-issue. Funny to see him crit himself though.  Ronaldo, in comparison, is threatening as all hell. Mostly annoying though. [Music: Decisive Battle with a Sworn Friend]  Because of this. Shield All and Endure(+) is super annoying, especially when Ronaldo reflects Physicals and this Gucumatz somehow outsped my entire team.  In response, it got eviscerated. Ronaldo wasted his Extra Turn on healing basically nothing with a Mediarahan. Can't complain about that.  Mana Aid guy picked a fight with Fumi. He's gonna regret that, and I'm glad he did.  He has Barrier, which doesn't matter because Parvati can drop a Megido on his head.  So, yeah, even without a Tyrant having replenishing MP is now possible.   Ronaldo was lucky to survive once. He's pushing it now.  Between everyone having Almighty spells, and two-thirds being unpunchable, this was a fight Ronaldo was destined to lose.  Oh and I opted to equip Endure+ here. It's annoying when the AI uses it, because it slows things down, but since it affects the entire team Endure+ is worth actually using. Sometimes.  So, what makes Joe annoying? He has a Vile.  That it's a Vile in and of itself isn't the issue though. Rather, it's because he has a high chance of accidentally wiping himself out here and ending the fight very early. If he had even a Dragon, this wouldn't happen so quickly.  Thankfully, he didn't actually do that. Only just, though.  He did manage to wipe Tzitzimitl but that was a foregone conclusion. Oh, and this guy's worthless. He has no Almighty attacks or anything. So I'm doing something silly and random here.  Using Recarmloss to revive Tzitzimitl to full HP and heal what little bit of HP Hibiki was missing. Recarmloss is niche as hell, but situations like this are basically the only time its worth using.  And then the guy Deathbound's Hibiki and wipes himself out. Oh well.  This guy has Magic Yin. I'm not putting up with that poo poo at all.  So Yoshitsune's dropping a Multi-Strike right off the bat.  Magic Yin is so unbelievably good. It's going on Hibiki and not coming off again. Double MP costs for spells is a pretty minor issue at this point.  In a rarity, actually bothering to use Blood Treaty. This is more to help Titania heal up easier. It doesn't upgrade damage or anything but it does lead to great stuff like...  Using a Drain to hit for sub-280 damage...  And heal right back to full immediately. Ordiarily, this wouldn't even come close; love that Blood Treaty healing buff. Beyond that, this fight is unmemorable and this lady gets obliterated.  ...It's a good thing we've already got all the other cracks on the map.  Because Joe just knocked himself out.  An anti-climactic end to a map that didn't need to take this long, really.  Sort of tried to take out every enemy team, but one random lady got lucky enough to outlast it. So she just runs off at this point.  Functionally, this map is as easy as you make it. If you just blast Ronaldo and Joe immediately you can be done in no time at all. But that's boring and not interesting to see.  Get a decent chunk of bonus EXP for your trouble either way though. [Music: In the Devastated Town]   Ngh... no, this can't be. Justice could never lose...! Untrue, Ronaldo Kuriki. There is no such thing as absolute justice, nor absolute evil. Ngh... don't talk like you know everything! Who the hell are you, anyway? No... he's with ME. What...!? Don't tell me... you convinced him to help you, Hibiki? It's all right, Ronaldo Kuriki. I agree with Shining One, and lend my strength. That was my decision. The blame lies on no one else. Ngh... What a joke... And I thought... Ha. It seems I was a fool... That's a great idea. Yes, right? It may not mean much to you, but Ronaldo has great potential. That's right, Ronaldo. Come with us! You want to defeat Polaris? What are you getting at...? This world as you know it will disappear. But the future will be what you make of it. How about it, Ronaldo Kuriki? It won't be exactly as you imagined, but will you try? We're on the same team now. Hibiki...and the mystery man...it seems I've been defeated. I accept that. Ronaldo...! So then, you'll... Huh? Oh, right! We've got to stop fighting and create a new world together! Haha... Unfortunately, I'm not capable of that. I can't discard my ideals for you...![Music: Countdown]  ...! Ronaldo Kuriki, you-- Um, right. So this is kind of unavoidable here. Ronaldo being Fate 1 does not relate to this happening at all. [Music: Requiem]  ...! No! Ronaldo, why!? Haha... I'll become a star and watch over the world you create... Farewell, Hibiki... And thank you, my friend! ...! No... Ronaldo... Ronaldo's death here is scripted to happen here. We couldn't have prevented this if we wanted to...  Dammit...! Dying's not going to accomplish anything! That was his choice. Ngh... You're right. That truly was a fitting end for Ronaldo... He gave his life for what he believed in. That is the only tribute I can make. It is a mystery... When a man dies, all his memories and personality are lost. But... even in the face of that loss, some would rather die than change beliefs. Now, there are still things left to do... Let us go, Shining One.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:30
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I don't know why Ronaldo chooses death here. He is fine with not choosing death in the neutral route.
MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 23:52
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Dragonatrix posted:
While this is hilarious, I doubt Ronaldo is asking himself about why he decided to kill himself. Also I can't say I'm sad to see him go. gently caress Ronaldo. That said, I'll be sad if you don't get Joe back, Dragonatrix. You do have him in Fate 4, right? Right?
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Jul 7, 2014 23:54
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Yeah, can't say I'm sad to see Ronaldo going the way of the Dodo. It'll be interesting to see how Yamato decides to throw himself on his sword after we school him since I can't see him going with us either.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:58
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't know why Ronaldo chooses death here. He is fine with not choosing death in the neutral route. Well Daichi's route is all about getting everyone to drop all their beliefs for a moment and talk peacefully, whereas AO's route is like Yamato's and Ronaldo's in the sense that 'this is what I want to do, follow me or else'. Since he is forced to throw away his ideals here, naturally he would break down.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:04
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Blaze Dragon posted:While this is hilarious, I doubt Ronaldo is asking himself about why he decided to kill himself. Man, there really is always something I miss even with proofreading it like three times. Guess I am just really bad at this.  Ah well, 'sfixed now. Thanks.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:08
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Oh Ronaldo you dumb motherfucker. You ASKED for that and now we shall go on without you, your life a mere memory and you won't be alive when we're done I'm sure.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:08
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Hahah what? He jumps on Al and then gets blown up for his trouble. I don't know what he thought was gonna happen. I find it hard to sympathize with him here since, unlike when Makoto is killed, he really brings this on himself. Though I don't know that psyduck really needed to atomize him, but eh.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:25
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Ronaldo, you are just the dumbest motherfucker, aren't you?
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Jul 8, 2014 00:28
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Manatee Cannon posted:Hahah what? He jumps on Al and then gets blown up for his trouble. I don't know what he thought was gonna happen. I find it hard to sympathize with him here since, unlike when Makoto is killed, he really brings this on himself. Though I don't know that psyduck really needed to atomize him, but eh.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:38
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The title of this update fills me with not inconsiderable rage 
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Jul 8, 2014 00:43
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Unkillable: You Can Call Me Al, Part Seven- It's So Easy Yeah so this is probably the easiest map of the last two days in this path. Ronaldo and Joe are pathetic here, they both rely on physicals it's entirely possible to just have the MC run up on them with full Repel and bitch them into nonexistence. They'd be a moderate threat if you let them engage more fragile parties I guess, but how the gently caress did you get here if you let things like that happen? I'm pretty sure this is the only map in the whole game where you can get Pierce+ and Endure+, so do not fail to get those (for one thing Pierce+ means you can actually run two physical people with Pierce if you want). Seriously though this map's not just a joke, it's a joke in kind of bad taste at the expense of the dumbest man in Japan, Ronaldo Kuriki.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:49
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Or maybe that was Psyduck kicking off Ronaldo reflexively.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:50
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Sylphosaurus posted:Yeah, can't say I'm sad to see Ronaldo going the way of the Dodo. It'll be interesting to see how Yamato decides to throw himself on his sword after we school him since I can't see him going with us either. Yamato subscribes to the Might makes Right school of thought. If he loses, then to him that just means that your way is the right one.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:06
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He'll still die somehow, even if it isn't in as stupid a fashion as Ronaldo.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:11
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It's just as stupid from what I know. Honestly Ronaldo is not really stupid he is just suicidally stubborn. He already knew he lost and thought your characters had good points and had a good idea. He just was not able to throw his ideals away and so thought the best way this would work out would be to die.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:18
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Kay Kessler posted:Yamato subscribes to the Might makes Right school of thought. If he loses, then to him that just means that your way is the right one. The "Might makes Right" school of thought is usually the cover story for sore loser bullies. Maybe Yamato won't be one, but I would not bet on that.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:19
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So yeah, here is reason 1 of 2 why I hate Ronaldo. Seriously, the gently caress was that? He even admits that its not a bad idea and realizes it could potentially work but then throws himself at Al Saiduq because he couldn't bare the idea of a good world being made. It can't be a good world, its has to be his world and gently caress the rest of you if you don't think that's fair.Omobono posted:The "Might makes Right" school of thought is usually the cover story for sore loser bullies. Maybe Yamato won't be one, but I would not bet on that. I'm a little disappointed nobody pointed this out. Possibly because we're all understandably biased against him. Anyway, Keita straight-up says that Hibiki beat him so he'll follow Hibiki (or at least would, had we treated him better). That's Keita's silver-lining for me. He has this ideal and actually sticks to it. You beat him, you're stronger then him, so he'll follow you.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:29
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What are you talking about? There is absolutely no guarantee that the world will be good just because humans have freedom. To think otherwise is naivete. What is being asked of him is to throw away a guarantee of an equal society for the possibility that a world without Polaris would somehow be better because HUMANS R COOL gently caress U It's like asking someone to change their religion because there is one or two aspects of it they don't like. A true believer will not do that easily by definition. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 01:42
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On the flip side, this is another reason why Ronaldo kinda sucks. You all agree beforehand to accede to the other group should you lose, but he (and presumably Yamato) doesn't and gets blown up for it. I don't think anybody was thinking positively of Yamato or his justifications, because c'mon. He's dumb, too.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:45
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Manatee Cannon posted:On the flip side, this is another reason why Ronaldo kinda sucks. You all agree beforehand to accede to the other group should you lose, but he (and presumably Yamato) doesn't and gets blown up for it. Ronaldo basically committed Suicide by AO, read what AO says after. He actually did accede, and just decided to go out with a bang.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:47
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Which is why he's dumb.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:49
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Well, I guess every samurai who ever committed seppuku was dumb too by your estimation, as it is a similar thing. Which is fine, but what he does here makes sense.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:50
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The weirdest thing about Ronaldo's death is that he seems so cheerful about it afterwards. I guess it was suicide-by-cop?Tallgeese posted:What are you talking about? There is absolutely no guarantee that the world will be good just because humans have freedom. To think otherwise is naivete. I imagine a lot of people might be upset about the idea of being written out of the universe in favor of selectively-edited versions of themselves that conform to someone else's ideal of how they should be acting. Usually when this happens in fiction we call it "brainwashing" and get creeped out by it. And if we're getting into philosophy... Morality exists in the presence of choices, and "equality" as a rule essentially rules out immoral choices as a category. It's kind of ironic to say "you can't guarantee the world will be good" when you're arguing for a world where moral good cannot categorically exist.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:56
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At its core, Ronaldo gave up. He took a look at this situation and instead of saying "This new world of freedom could be anything and will need strong people like me and Hibiki to guide it on a path we can all be happy with. Yes, I'll join you because even something close to what I want is better than nothing" and instead said, "Nope, suicide by cop!" Instead of taking a chance on something that could be good, he killed himself for an ideal that was literally no longer possible.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:04
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Whatever the new world is, it probably won't be a world of equality like Ronaldo wanted. I can see him being completely unwilling to accept that.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:01
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Arcade Rabbit posted:I'm a little disappointed nobody pointed this out. Possibly because we're all understandably biased against him. Anyway, Keita straight-up says that Hibiki beat him so he'll follow Hibiki (or at least would, had we treated him better). That's Keita's silver-lining for me. He has this ideal and actually sticks to it. You beat him, you're stronger then him, so he'll follow you. When your silver lining is shared by Senator Steven Armstrong, I feel safe calling you a pretty lovely person. If you can't even reach that level? Well, gently caress. I do not know what to say.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:27
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Blaze Dragon posted:While this is hilarious, I doubt Ronaldo is asking himself about why he decided to kill himself. If the OP is up to date then, yes, Joe is at Fate 4.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:13
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It's not quite, but the only things I have to change are a few levels to 5 and Daichi to 3. And a couple regular stat stuff too for that matter. I'll get all that done now while I remember. Edit: alright, that's done. Now it's up to date.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:18
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This scene was a definite dim spot for me. Ronaldo's pretty terrible on reflection, but for most of the game he comes across as fairly reasonable and affable, with a big gaping blind spot about Yamato. Which I can live with. But here, he's gone full on suicidal for... an ideal he's had for two loving days? I know he's not the msot consistently written character but come on, that's just off. Yamato, for his part, makes much more sense about it all I felt.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:45
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CmdrKing posted:This scene was a definite dim spot for me. Ronaldo's pretty terrible on reflection, but for most of the game he comes across as fairly reasonable and affable, with a big gaping blind spot about Yamato. Which I can live with. But here, he's gone full on suicidal for... an ideal he's had for two loving days? I know he's not the msot consistently written character but come on, that's just off. There's an unwritten rule in SMT games that once a character becomes pigeonholed into leading a particular alignment they pretty much have to become babbling caricatures of their former selves.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:50
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This is true, and for all the poo poo I've given Ronaldo he's nothing compared to SMT4. I seem to remember Nocturne and Strange Journey being pretty bad about it as well. Yamato has thus far been completely consistent for the entire game, which is pretty impressive for a faction leader in SMT. Even Ronaldo isn't really unbelievable in his decisions, it's just his decisions are really stupid at every turn.
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