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Zythrst posted:Larrick is a special forces trainer for the Contra's, he was being blackmailed by the couple who got killed and thus was a suspect for the murder. The Jennings approached him as counter intell in order to discover if he was the killer. They decided they didn't think he was the killer, so they resumed the blackmail as KGB, since its not like counter intell agents would want to infiltrate a contra training camp. I can't remember how much Larrick knew of Phil& Liz's intentions for breaking into the camp, but even if he did know they wanted to kill some of the leaders, he'd still get pissed that they killed the grunts who were just on guard duty type details.
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Got it, makes sense now. Thanks.
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LostRook posted:Some people also have the theorized that one of the dead was his lover. Though nothing really supports it. Yea what a dumb theory. None of them even looked like Keller. 
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Liz's dedication to brainwashing Paige is kind of putting me off her character to be honest. I thought her making that friend on the bus was actually gonna be a plot point of some kind, weird how it hasn't come up again at all.
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precision posted:Liz's dedication to brainwashing Paige is kind of putting me off her character to be honest. Killing US military personnel, blackmailing a gay man, and allowing comrades to be murdered are all okay, but by god if you stop your daughter from going to church. It's there to show that Elizabeth and Phil, despite seemingly (particularly in Phil's case) having ingrained themselves in American culture, still hold their beliefs above all. Sure, the writers can make Elizabeth rant about Reagan and the horrors of capitalism, but showing that their resolve is so high that they are blinded by hatred and willing to push their daughter away is much more powerful.
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precision posted:Liz's dedication to brainwashing Paige is kind of putting me off her character to be honest. I'm sure it is a plot point. She did introduce Page to that weird pastor guy that accepts $600 donations from children. And the actor playing the pastor is bald in real life so he's wearing a wig. Do not trust people that wears wigs.
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yeah i don't really dig elizabeth right now either, mainly because she terrifies me
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Always be wary of a female assassin's magic heart attack aerosol whilst swimming laps alone in a pool.
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Gonz posted:Always be wary of a female assassin's magic heart attack aerosol whilst swimming laps alone in a pool. Pretty sure it was a nerve agent of some kind, hence her taking what I could only assume was a pyridostigmine pill.
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precision posted:Liz's dedication to brainwashing Paige is kind of putting me off her character to be honest. And from the outside looking in, I think that's a pretty understandable reaction for this situation. Despite never raising her to show an interest, this church still somehow "got" to her in the same way that Phil and Liz (both highly-trained spies) often go after people themselves. That's a pretty terrifying concept for a couple of people who already aren't big fans of religion. And let's be honest; with how it's been presented so far, this church is sketchy as gently caress from their perspective (whether or not it actually pans out, or is just skewed with protagonist-bias). She just randomly starts going in secret like it's some kind of cult, then when she gets caught and receives a small slap on the wrist for lying about it, she suddenly "donates" all of the money that she has access to without any oversight from her parents, which just reeks of a scam. Even if it is entirely benign, it doesn't look great and plays right into the suspicion of religion being a dishonest organization.
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precision posted:Liz's dedication to brainwashing Paige is kind of putting me off her character to be honest. Yea I thought the friend on the bus would turn out to be another soviet spy, specifically one of the ones Moscow said they had watching the kids. But I guess not.
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The entire thing that's putting me off about the religious angle is that it's showing HORRIBLE loving tradecraft on behalf of Philip and Liz. The last thing they should want is Paige crying to all her new Jesus Buddies about how much her parents don't understand and persecute her ~faith~, which in turn will lead to at least one of them talking with their parents about it, which in combination with Philip visiting the preacher/pastor dressed in his MURDERSUIT will start raising some suspicions. Maybe not "maybe they're godless Russian spies" suspicions at first, but definitely the "they're weird and maybe we should try to find out why/'save' them" kind. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:43 on May 3, 2014 |
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May 3, 2014 09:41
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You would think KGB deep cover agents would be the most jesusey people around.
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Baloogan posted:You would think KGB deep cover agents would be the most jesusey people around. Or at least "Jesusey" enough that people would be apt to say "they're good people" and dismiss anything potentially bad they hear about them because "they're good people."
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The reason nobody suspected the 9/11 hijackers was due to the fact that they'd consistantly frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol and do all sorts of non-Islamic extremist stuff. They blended right in. You're right. Philip and Elizabeth being so viciously anti-religion could backfire on them somewhere down the road and arouse the suspicions of some random churchgoing person in the community. If not this season, then next season.
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Gonz posted:The reason nobody suspected the 9/11 hijackers was due to the fact that they'd consistantly frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol and do all sorts of non-Islamic extremist stuff. They blended right in. If memory serves, some of them went via flights originating in Portland, Maine, an airport which has 10 whole gates and, I'm assuming, security to match (at least pre-9/11). quote:You're right. Philip and Elizabeth being so viciously anti-religion could backfire on them somewhere down the road and arouse the suspicions of some random churchgoing person in the community. If not this season, then next season. I think something this season is really hammering in is that the Achilles Heel of the Directive S agents is their American-born children. The chaos at the amusement park in episode 1 arose partially because buddy-agent recognized a threat to his family, and Phillip subsequently got into poo poo with Elizabeth for even remotely putting Henry in harm's way. Especially after the triple-murder, I can perfectly understand why our heroes are starting to get irrational with the way they react to their children's actions. So, right. Of loving course they're being pretty stupid with Paige's involvement in the church. But, look at it this way: science has repeatedly shown that the human brain craves belief in something grander, be it religion, strong lack of religion, or something else (astrology?  ). Phil and Liz were raised with communism and the Soviet state, and their extreme faith in those ideals propels them forward in their secret war behind enemy lines. In season one, we saw a lot of Soviet talk about American consumerism, like Nina talking to her boss about how she enjoys American goods but doesn't lose sight of the bigger picture. Now, Phil and Liz have done a very careful job of shielding their children from worshiping American Stuff & Things, as we see with Henry's deprivation of a gaming console. But, of course, they're not raising their American cover family to be red-flag-waving communists, either. So, lacking a firm belief in a social structure, it's only natural that Paige as a budding adolescent would turn to a warm, accepting religion. I guess it's just ultimately black humor that the Christian faith is causing Liz and Phil to behave as irrationally as they perceive Paige to be behaving.
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Gonz posted:The reason nobody suspected the 9/11 hijackers was due to the fact that they'd consistantly frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol and do all sorts of non-Islamic extremist stuff. They blended right in. Conversely... "Hey, my friend Paige says her parents are angry that she loves Jesus." "That's *terrible*, honey...which ones are they again?" "They live five streets over, house kinda on the middle of the block." "Oh, the one with the new Camaro outside?" "Yeah." "I wouldn't worry about it, sweetie - he sprung for the IROC-Z package, which means God hates him and showed it by removing his good sense." ----- And yes, they're really overplaying Liz's ultra-nationalism. At this point, if Stan's suspicions are piqued again, all he really needs to do is pull a High Fidelity and blast the Soviet National Anthem outside of their house and Liz would burst through the loving walls like Roger Rabbit in the bar scene. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 11:53 on May 3, 2014 |
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Propaganda Machine posted:If memory serves, some of them went via flights originating in Portland, Maine, an airport which has 10 whole gates and, I'm assuming, security to match (at least pre-9/11). Heh, it's still pretty low-key there today.
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Phil and Liz are going to have like the worst PTSD ever, aren't they?
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mobby_6kl posted:Phil and Liz are going to have like the worst PTSD ever, aren't they? It's scary to think of how they'll act when it gets worse than it already is
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its scary to think about what theyre going to be forced to do as the ussr gets more desperate
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I wonder if this religion subplot will lead into a story about the Satanic Panic. The timing would be about right for it to become a thing in season 3, and a modern witch hunt and moral panic has a lot of potential for use in an espionage show.
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A_Raving_Loon posted:Stanic Panic
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I just bought season 1 of this for my dad, an ex-American who moved our family to New Zealand because he was so afraid of Reagan's warmongering. Almost afraid to give it to him because it'll make him super paranoid.Gonz posted:The reason nobody suspected the 9/11 hijackers was due to the fact that they'd consistantly frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol and do all sorts of non-Islamic extremist stuff. They blended right in. I worked as a doorman at a casino for a while and was shocked by the number of Saudis that would come in. They'd look all pious in their ID (with traditional headwear etc) but enter the casino looking like Puff Daddy.
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Generic American posted:She just randomly starts going in secret like it's some kind of cult, then when she gets caught and receives a small slap on the wrist for lying about it, she suddenly "donates" all of the money that she has access to without any oversight from her parents, which just reeks of a scam. Even if it is entirely benign, it doesn't look great and plays right into the suspicion of religion being a dishonest organization. The only thing about this is that it was the preacher (and friend) that told Phil and Liz about that money Paige donated. If they were wanting to play Paige, I don't think they would have let that slip to her parents.
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I don't think they're playing her, but they might be so up their own asses about Christian Values that they didn't consider that Paige wouldn't run a sizable donation past her parents. Also if the church had any sense they should have reprimanded Paige about her actions as well. Like the book says, honor thy father and thy mother unless they wouldn't want you to give us $600.
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I don't think they specified she gave it all at once and it wouldn't be noticeable if she was pushing in $100 per month.
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Showing butts is getting to be a running joke/theme this season I see.
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Had they previously hinted that Philip knew about the letter? It seems like something Elizabeth would have kept to herself.
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Well that's a twist.
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May 8, 2014 03:18
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Jeez, their contact really gets around.
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Why is the only gun in her house all the way back in the bathroom? e: gently caress. Goodbye pseudo-Maggs. Baronash fucked around with this message at 03:44 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 03:32
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Awwww, poor Kate
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Wow, that terrible Fiat commercial just killed my desire to see Godzilla. Good job marketing.
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May 8, 2014 03:46
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I don't understand the significance of the message.
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I will say this for zeljko Ivanek, the man plays a good cancer patient., and just about anything else for that matter,
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'Nam Phil best Phil.
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howe_sam posted:I will say this for zeljko Ivanek, the man plays a good cancer patient., and just about anything else for that matter, Off the top of my head in the past 6/7 years he's been in: The Event, Heroes, The Americans, True Blood, and Damages. He's usually the one of the best actors in each series too.
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