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Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

The Door Frame posted:

The way I've heard it, it's a combination of 3 things. #1 is the number of people who have step siblings from their parents' previous relationships has gone up a huge amount so it is a relatable taboo. #2 is that an important producer is a big fan and pushed that content for a while. #3 is that it's a convenient way to put two attractive people into a sexual situation without needing to explain why they're already in the same house but have previously had a platonic relationship

It's probably heavily weighted towards #3 with hints of #1

I've also heard that a lot of it has to do with the fact that a plurality of viewers just watch porn with the sound off, fast forwarding to the part where the dick enters the mouth, etc, and have no interest in poo poo like plot, setup, etc, and won't be heavily inconvenienced if there's a half-minute of setup dialogue that they scroll past anyway and a title like I HELP MY STEPSISTER LEARN ANATOMY THE HARD WAY if they're interested in a specific performer(s) or a particular thumbnail catches their eye

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two fish
Jun 13, 2023

When will they tap into the combined market of incest cuckold porn?

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

two fish posted:

When will they tap into the combined market of incest cuckold porn?

that's been done forever, where you been?

every other video featuring a woman over the age of 30 is like "stepmom CUCKS her husband with his much bigger SON", etc

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

trilobite terror posted:

I've also heard that a lot of it has to do with the fact that a plurality of viewers just watch porn with the sound off, fast forwarding to the part where the dick enters the mouth, etc, and have no interest in poo poo like plot, setup, etc, and won't be heavily inconvenienced if there's a half-minute of setup dialogue that they scroll past anyway and a title like I HELP MY STEPSISTER LEARN ANATOMY THE HARD WAY if they're interested in a specific performer(s) or a particular thumbnail catches their eye

Yeah it's this mainly. I've never met a person who watches porn and pays any attention to the story so just because the title says stepbrother or whatever doesn't matter whatsoever. Add in the big director or producer or whatever with a kink for it and you get what we have now.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
I heard that it was literally the owner of pornhub who had the fetish. That's why there wasn't an option to filter it out for a long time. There still may not be.

two fish
Jun 13, 2023

Has anyone ever done an interview with the male performers involved in interracial porn? I would love to know what they think about it. Being objectified like that has to eat at you in some way.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Like everything else, it varies a ton. I knew one guy who was like “sorry, I’m having crazy sex and I’m getting paid for it, what do I care what some dumbass says in the background?” and plenty of guys who wouldn’t go near it. Obviously I’m guessing the industry selects for the former end of the spectrum

immoral_
Oct 20, 2007

So fresh and so clean.

Young Orc

Beachcomber posted:

I heard that it was literally the owner of pornhub who had the fetish. That's why there wasn't an option to filter it out for a long time. There still may not be.

Phub's banned in my state, and I'm too lazy to throttle myself with a VPN when I can look elsewhere, otherwise I would verify; but to my memory you could filter it out last I could go there.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

Anne Whateley posted:

Like everything else, it varies a ton. I knew one guy who was like “sorry, I’m having crazy sex and I’m getting paid for it, what do I care what some dumbass says in the background?” and plenty of guys who wouldn’t go near it. Obviously I’m guessing the industry selects for the former end of the spectrum

I think there was an A/T thread on these forums by porn actress like 15 or so years ago where she said she refuses to do interracial stuff and a ton of goons got mad at her for it, so she had to calmly explain that "Interracial Porn" comes with a lot more baggage than just "The actors are of different races and have sex with each other"

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

Mak0rz posted:

I think there was an A/T thread on these forums by porn actress like 15 or so years ago where she said she refuses to do interracial stuff and a ton of goons got mad at her for it, so she had to calmly explain that "Interracial Porn" comes with a lot more baggage than just "The actors are of different races and have sex with each other"

This has probably changed, but from an interview I read about 20 years ago, most of the big studios wouldn't work with any white women who had ever worked with Black men, like at all. Pretty hosed but the whole industry is pretty hosed.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




more falafel please posted:

This has probably changed, but from an interview I read about 20 years ago, most of the big studios wouldn't work with any white women who had ever worked with Black men, like at all. Pretty hosed but the whole industry is pretty hosed.

Can't speak for studios, but I've definitely heard about ladies being "ruined" in the eyes of the public after they do a scene like that, although it wasn't too recent. Not that porn is where one goes for nuanced takes on race, but the fact that I don't remember hearing the same about degradation stuff with a white dude does sadly reflect on certain things.

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

more falafel please posted:

This has probably changed, but from an interview I read about 20 years ago, most of the big studios wouldn't work with any white women who had ever worked with Black men, like at all. Pretty hosed but the whole industry is pretty hosed.

this has almost certainly changed since you heard that

I can't think of an A or B list performer that hasn't done a bunch of explicit IR scenes, if not outright built their career doing them

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

The Door Frame posted:

The way I've heard it, it's a combination of 3 things. #1 is the number of people who have step siblings from their parents' previous relationships has gone up a huge amount so it is a relatable taboo. #2 is that an important producer is a big fan and pushed that content for a while. #3 is that it's a convenient way to put two attractive people into a sexual situation without needing to explain why they're already in the same house but have previously had a platonic relationship

It's probably heavily weighted towards #3 with hints of #1
#4: it's age coding when porn searching often doesn't allow "teen" as a search term.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

stringless posted:

#4: it's age coding when porn searching often doesn't allow "teen" as a search term.

Yeah, I was thinking something along the lines of this. Its by default popular because it has young people in it, so metrics would show it being successful.

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase
https://fixupx.com/coopercooperco/status/1885895834258088281

2-for-2 on unqualified self-described internet “sex researchers”/“educators” falling for the siren song of the chud lol

also with a cameo from Chelsea Manning’s funniest ex

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009
You guys seem to be interested in actual sex research, so I'd like to mention the Science of BDSM research team. I've had the pleasure of meeting them and attending some of their presentations and they are all really great people. Also all of their articles and data are free to read on their website.

As for incest kink; I think it's a fairly common kink it's just that in the past 10 years more people feel comfortable expressing it online through memes and poo poo.

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
I assumed part of the reason step-sibling porn was so popular is that they're mostly vanilla sex scenes with some specific faux-incest dialog sprinkled throughout, so if all you care about is the specific talent in the scene it's pretty easy to ignore the kink part of it. So you get to attract both mainstream and kink audiences with the same content.

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase
It’s pretty much everything that everybody’s been mentioning, and also the ugly unspoken reality is probably that a lot of people have survived some amount of abuse/incest/etc or been exposed to it to some degree and have complicated ways of processing it

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


I think some of it is serving as a convenient short-hand for DD/lg or DM/lb scenes: "softer" D/s with a clear power dynamic but still obvious love and affection. I'd wager there's a lot of people who would be happy to call their partner daddy but think D/s is all 50 Shades of Grey poo poo.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



trilobite terror posted:

https://fixupx.com/coopercooperco/status/1885895834258088281

2-for-2 on unqualified self-described internet “sex researchers”/“educators” falling for the siren song of the chud lol

also with a cameo from Chelsea Manning’s funniest ex

I love that I’m so terminally online I knew exactly which two posters it was before clicking

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Xand_Man posted:

I think some of it is serving as a convenient short-hand for DD/lg or DM/lb scenes: "softer" D/s with a clear power dynamic but still obvious love and affection. I'd wager there's a lot of people who would be happy to call their partner daddy but think D/s is all 50 Shades of Grey poo poo.

Its funny to me the line for all that, because people don't see lots of kinks as, well kinky. Spanking is another one that is definitely bdsm, but people generally don't think of as kinks unless its part of a larger lifestyle thing

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

RFC2324 posted:

Its funny to me the line for all that, because people don't see lots of kinks as, well kinky. Spanking is another one that is definitely bdsm, but people generally don't think of as kinks unless its part of a larger lifestyle thing

as exemplified in the old onion piece area man has naked-lady fetish

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Apologies if this isn't the right thread. Any good suggestions for couples' massage resources (ideally something physical, be it books or oils or whatnot, that I could roll into a present sometime.) Thanks!

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

I don't have any direct advice, but I do have an anecdote:

I once booked a spa day for myself and my girlfriend at the time. When it came time for the massage, I tried to insist on getting the dude masseuse so I could get my back properly worked. She thought that would be weird and insisted that instead I take the tiny woman masseuse instead.

Afterwards, she complained about the dude getting inappropriately handsy with her, so it sucked for both of us in very different ways.

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase
I mean, I’ve never had an experience where a woman masseuse didn’t have the strength or skill to properly work on my back/etc, usually quite the opposite and I find myself having to ask them to ease up a bit.

But I’m sorry that you had a bad massage and, more importantly, that your partner may have been sexually harassed. That’s an awful thing to have to deal with.

An ex that I used to live with was cryptically/covertly groped by a coworker (he went in for “a hug” and almost certainly copped a feel, and he had a history of doing it to other young women there) that devolved into her leaving for what thankfully was a much better job when they wouldn’t seriously investigate or fire him.

Having to just sorta live with the situation and basically be like “well either I walk away from this and move on or I go talk to a lawyer and try to make this a thing for the next five years of my life” is a situation I don’t wish on anybody

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.
We've had a few couple's massages and we had the best luck at high end spas. I've never had an experience where they gave me a female therapist and gave the missus a male therapist, it's only been m/m f/f or f/m f/f

If you mean you massaging your partner, the best advice I can give is to study anatomy. Knowing which muscle's striations go which direction, which muscles are beneath other muscles, and where the muscles attach is the most important thing to understand. Not only can doing it wrong hurt your partner, but it will be much more of a gift if you can do it right

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


If you are serious about anatomy or you are both big ol nerds try picking up a used copy of Trail Guide to The body.

Xand_Man fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 4, 2025

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

I had Thai massage done by a woman and she definitely wasn't too weak to mess me up lol, so I don't think that's an issue.

There are also massage classes you can just take, which might be helpful as it's a pretty hands-on thing

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 4, 2025

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Ah! Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant resources for us to learn how to give them to each other, as opposed to spa work.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

trilobite terror posted:

I mean, I’ve never had an experience where a woman masseuse didn’t have the strength or skill to properly work on my back/etc

This is why you go to some hole in the wall place where a 70yr old 4ft5in asian woman who probably hates Americans with what feels like a filed down elbow and the strength of a hydraulic press makes you beg for loving mercy. The best ones will even walk on your back.

Pixelante
Mar 15, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

D-Pad posted:

This is why you go to some hole in the wall place where a 70yr old 4ft5in asian woman who probably hates Americans with what feels like a filed down elbow and the strength of a hydraulic press makes you beg for loving mercy. The best ones will even walk on your back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DHI-_PVia4

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



D-Pad posted:

This is why you go to some hole in the wall place where a 70yr old 4ft5in asian woman who probably hates Americans with what feels like a filed down elbow and the strength of a hydraulic press makes you beg for loving mercy. The best ones will even walk on your back.

And the spa music is 3 songs looping on repeat. Shout out to Leela spa in West Hollywood where two Thai ladies in their 50s walked on my wife and Is backs

It was not sexy at all and I don’t get the appeal of couples massages since I’m there for the deep tissue massage and bodywork but maybe I’m weird

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Dijkstracula posted:

Ah! Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant resources for us to learn how to give them to each other, as opposed to spa work.

I think booking a class local to you is the best bet for this! It's a shared activity and you can make it into a date day. You could present the booking in a cute card with a couple of oils or monogrammed dressing gowns or whatever.

Scott Baculum
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

Dijkstracula posted:

Apologies if this isn't the right thread. Any good suggestions for couples' massage resources (ideally something physical, be it books or oils or whatnot, that I could roll into a present sometime.) Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MJySO7PGg

this is the best I can do

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Bollock Monkey posted:

I think booking a class local to you is the best bet for this! It's a shared activity and you can make it into a date day. You could present the booking in a cute card with a couple of oils or monogrammed dressing gowns or whatever.

Hadn't considered a class! Thanks for the suggestion.


frankly, same

The Real Amethyst
Apr 20, 2018

When no one was looking, Serval took forty Japari buns. She took 40 buns. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
I had a full body Thai massage and the lady doing it beat the poo poo out of me, and massaged around my groin and scrotum. Very strange experience.

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

Re: incest kink...I remember reading some online reproductions of Victorian/Edwardian erotica magazines. Those stories were just full of incest, not just siblings but all kinds of family members loving each other. It did seem like they were written to be more shocking (or funny) than sexy, though.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


GB Luxury Hamper posted:

Re: incest kink...I remember reading some online reproductions of Victorian/Edwardian erotica magazines. Those stories were just full of incest, not just siblings but all kinds of family members loving each other. It did seem like they were written to be more shocking (or funny) than sexy, though.

...the Aristocrats!

two fish
Jun 13, 2023

Has there been a single human culture where incest was not taboo? It seems to be one of those universal things that triggers revulsion, so I don't get why our society is so fascinated with it.

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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




two fish posted:

Has there been a single human culture where incest was not taboo? It seems to be one of those universal things that triggers revulsion, so I don't get why our society is so fascinated with it.

Do the Habsburgs count as a human culture?

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