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ShadowHawk posted:
lol this explains a lot about how poo poo ubungu is
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Mar 27, 2014 21:47
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ubuntu: the white mans burden
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Mar 27, 2014 21:49
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ShadowHawk posted:Instead, everyone with upload rights is just a developer and can upload any package to Universe or to Main+Universe. wow congrats you just showed me ubuntu was worse than i thought
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Mar 27, 2014 21:51
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i'm hesitant about installing anything called "fedora"
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Mar 27, 2014 21:54
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Yeah ShadowHawk, you must trust your community members a lot if they have the keys to the kingdom. "Anybody who checks this box on the website gets instant root shell access to the millions of Ubuntu installs around the world"
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Mar 27, 2014 21:56
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Suspicious Dish posted:Ah yes the "please run this magic command in a scary text box as root" notification. At least step one of installing fedora is no longer "disable selinux"
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Mar 27, 2014 22:20
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yeah ShadowHawk, you must trust your community members a lot if they have the keys to the kingdom. Developer who has gone through Ubuntu membership process and Developer membership process makes package update, signs it with his GPG key. He uses dput to upload it, then Launchpad compares his signature with his upload rights. If they match and he is uploading to the current development alpha, the package gets accepted into the -proposed repository. Once there, it needs to build and pass automated tests for it and all reverse-dependencies (ie, upload libfoo then the tests for package bar that depends on libfoo need to still pass). If it does, then an archive admin can click the button for pushing it into the actual archive (and not just -proposed). When we freeze the archive near release, there is also additional process that gets more burdensome as the release is closer and the package is more important (default install packages within a week of release need release team approval, for instance). There are similar "soft freezes" that happen earlier in the cycle that one can get exceptions to, like feature freeze and UI freeze. For stable release updates, ie the ones actually used by millions of people, we have more process around verification and so on designed to prevent regressions, as regressions in a stable release are really bad.
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Mar 27, 2014 22:20
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man i used to really want to work for google a few years ago and then yospos showed me what a shitpit that place was (also this was before google+ happened which is where historians are going to say it all went wrong) then i honestly would have loved to work at red hat if i just had open source ~*credentials*~ but apparently that's also got e: an above average level of bullshit office politics (though tbh it still sounds like it would be worth it) stop ruining my dreams yospos ;_;
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Mar 27, 2014 23:22
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Mr Dog posted:man i used to really want to work for google a few years ago and then yospos showed me what a shitpit that place was (also this was before google+ happened which is where historians are going to say it all went wrong) your dreams were already ruined before you had them
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Mar 27, 2014 23:26
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bootstrap your dreams
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Mar 27, 2014 23:29
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Mr Dog posted:man i used to really want to work for google a few years ago and then yospos showed me what a shitpit that place was (also this was before google+ happened which is where historians are going to say it all went wrong) It's actually very much worth it. We have a lot of interesting problems and solve a lot of interesting problems. Compilers. Networking. Video codecs. Filesystems. Graphics. Input. Tons more. Want to work at the high level? Write apps and poo poo using toolkits? Sure. Low level? Write Linux kernel patches and deal with the Bluetooth spec and solve bugs in the filesystem drivers? Sure. Can you do all of it, and want to do all of it? We're hiring. I mean, I assume that's true for Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Intel, Novell or any other company that builds OSes and writes apps on top. It's so much rewarding than the startup of the day working on mobile apps that it completely beats out the office politics, which, to be honest, are at every corporation above 10 people. I went out to a startup that's also doing this stuff (they want to make a mobile OS for developing countries, which is a noble goal and I wish them luck! Going to their office for a hackfest in mid-April. Should be fun!), and they had like 6 people in a shared co-office, and yet there was already infighting about the right way to do things. I'm constantly surprised at what I learn next and what I'm working on next.
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Mar 28, 2014 02:40
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that sounds hells of boring tbh :-/
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Mar 28, 2014 02:58
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There's so much possibility. Today I woke up and fixed a bug in our OpenGL implementation, then hacked on input method support under Wayland for a bit (it's always fun to learn about how people with sophisticated language systems enter text into the computer), then looked into a bug people were having with gdm, and ended up deleting 10,000 lines of code due to a refactor that fixed at least twenty bugs. As soon as my new hardware comes in I'm going to be working on HiDPI and touch support for Wayland, and that means writing kernel patches for touch devices and designing APIs. I also planned out a large refactor of our display server so that it's more robust instead of being a Rube Goldberg machine of awfulness. I'm going to start on that tomorrow. My after-hours side project is an app updater framework, and that involves things like atomic upgrades, application bundle integration, software distribution, mirror management, a ton of research on how 0install / NixOS / other userspace package managers deal with this, why people don't use existing systems and how they fail, and working on sane API design. My day is always so varied that I never know where it will end up. It's tons of fun and really rewarding for me. I guess I can have a really optimistic look towards the future and understanding exactly how I'd like our platform to fall down. The biggest "infighting" from the other team stems from what I feel is an inability to recognize problems and think that the current solution is "good enough". SELinux has been a UI disaster for lots of people ("disable SELinux" is still the number one step for troubleshooting, even inside the office). SELinux has tons of UI problems. When something is denied, it's not always logged (there's actually a "nolog" directive because some of them were too spammy), so the user is just confused as to why things are failing. There's no transparency or accountability into why a policy is the way it is. If some app is doing a "dangerous" action, there's no way for me as a user to figure out 1) what the app is trying to do, specifically, 2) why the app is doing a dangerous operation to accomplish that, 3) why the operation is dangerous. As such, since it was designed as a black box with an on/off switch without any tools for gaining insight, it's treated as a black box with an on/off switch. The SELinux team, of course, doesn't really care about any of this, and thinks it's OK the way it is. The result os that they'd rather educate people into not turning off SELinux or telling people to run magic gobbledy-gook terminal commands instead of trying to make the design of the system more approachable and understandable.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:18
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sorry, there is no way i can wrap my head around a programmer who enjoys his job.
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Mar 28, 2014 04:11
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FreeBSD 10.0 with lxqt
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Mar 28, 2014 04:17
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stoutfish posted:sorry, there is no way i can wrap my head around a programmer who enjoys his job. Try it some time. It's a lot of fun!
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Mar 28, 2014 04:22
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sounds like a monopoly 2 me
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Mar 28, 2014 04:50
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I work in ~infosec~ and i enjoy it greatly hth
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Mar 28, 2014 09:16
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worked out what was wrong with my arch install not booting my laptop was looking for UEFI despite calling itself a BIOS everywhere
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Mar 28, 2014 09:44
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I know a guy irl who works for red hat and he seems to enjoy his job but I guess he doesn't like having to travel to the us sometimes? so yeah, if being in an airplane sometimes is the worst aspect of your job then you must have a good one. he suddenly disappeared lately, I seriously hope he didn't die
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Mar 28, 2014 10:36
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i like to travel for work but then i don't have a wife and kids so
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Mar 28, 2014 10:38
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i would consider using fedora for my linux needs if it wasn't called fedora
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Mar 28, 2014 11:20
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pointsofdata posted:i would consider using fedora for my linux needs if it wasn't called fedora Trilby Linux
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Mar 28, 2014 11:30
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its ok, its not a fedora
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Mar 28, 2014 11:36
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pointsofdata posted:i would consider using fedora for my linux needs if it wasn't called fedora it's ok i think it pre-dates the internet fat people wearing them cool fedora story: i used some copr things today for gnome 3.12 and mesa 10.1 they worked well. thanks community. thanks redhat.
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Mar 28, 2014 12:19
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my stepdads beer posted:it's ok i think it pre-dates the internet fat people wearing them i'm sorry but the damage has been done they need to rebrand
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Mar 28, 2014 12:23
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i'm a sperg and mt coworkers and spergs in a spergy field and i still can't face the shame of using a linux distro called fedora
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Mar 28, 2014 12:26
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pointsofdata posted:i would consider using fedora for my linux needs if it wasn't called fedora fedora was fedora before fedora-wearing neckbeards were really a thing so
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Mar 28, 2014 12:54
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i didnt even reevalue it in my mind until you brought it up. man, if a linux named fedora had been launched today there would be such laffs
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Mar 28, 2014 14:28
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you guys are really obsessed with this I bet you can't even watch humphrey bogart movies or indiana jones anymore without thinking of nerds
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Mar 28, 2014 14:32
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The worst thing is that every Red Hat employee gets a red Fedora when they start the job. Sometimes you see people wear them "ironically" now. Everybody wishes we could rebrand. I am not kidding.
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Mar 28, 2014 14:33
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i didnt even reevalue it in my mind until you brought it up. man, if a linux named fedora had been launched today there would be such laffs Exactly. Now think of some fat nerd teaching a guy who's never heard of Linux about a new operating system you can install for your computer that is actually called "Fedora".
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Mar 28, 2014 14:34
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wow is it that bad? nerds ruined a hat this is the worst thing.
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Mar 28, 2014 14:38
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hats were already ruined
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Mar 28, 2014 14:39
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gonna switch to bonnet linux
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Mar 28, 2014 14:42
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i run flatcap personally
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Mar 28, 2014 14:42
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"hey jasper, what do you even do for a living?" "i'm a programmer at a company called red hat" "oh cool, programming is hard and i can respect that a lot. what sort of apps do you make?" "i work on an operating system called 'fedora'" *slowly inches away*
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Mar 28, 2014 14:59
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Suspicious Dish posted:"oh cool, programming is hard and i can respect that a lot." lol
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Mar 28, 2014 15:02
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that shows that this never happened
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Awia posted:hats were already ruined gaben ruined hats
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