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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol what software do you write but after doing this and "real" software engineering on different projects and companies, it's the same drat thing just different languages and metadata to be fair it's a bit closer to devops than "I'm just a programmer" software development because you actually have to care about stuff like deployment and building and installability and so on
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Mr Dog posted:because they treat loving around with linux in its own right as a hobby, not a means to an end for getting actually useful poo poo done the sad thing was that arch was unironically the best linux distro in ~2004. iirc it gave you the ability to have a gentoo-style installation if you really, really wanted, but of you just wanted the base os installed you just ran the typical installer and could pacman -Syu to upgrade all your poo poo and everything was built for whichever architecture. it ran great, the community was nice and helpful and people were frequently keeping poo poo up to date. at some point i guess the entire loving thing turned into what it is now which i imagine was some time between 2008-2010 after ubuntu had taken over everything and they could just be known as the sperg linux.
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May 20, 2014 03:47
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ShadowHawk posted:yeah I didn't want to believe that packaging, integration, configuration, and Ubuntu development was software engineering either so it's like being a programmer except you gently caress with shell scripts all day i.e. you are an unpaid hobbyist ops guy with no responsibilities
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May 20, 2014 03:48
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Arch's big problem is that the community isn't great. I posted about it before in this thread.
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May 20, 2014 03:51
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Suspicious Dish posted:Sure, but why can't that be automated and written by the Wine team? It can't be more than an hour of work. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7491257/ Everything in there that isn't "new upstream release" is a real problem that required some amount of work to fix. I've automated Wine daily package builds in the past it's no big deal (and Launchpad will soon support actually doing this properly in a way that can also run the Wine test suite).
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May 20, 2014 03:53
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(and do note that's just one package, I've touched a whole lot of other poo poo as well as prompted others to fix issues in other packages I've ran into, it's all one interconnected system)
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May 20, 2014 03:55
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the key thing is that if you don't like a standard, you don't just poo poo out a substandard package, upload it, and call it a day. you have to, you know, convince other people it's a good idea and discuss it in appropriate venues and fix the standard oh boy i cant wait to go try and wrangle a standard away from a bunch of gross linux nerds who will defend it vehemently because they're so entrenched in the process
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May 20, 2014 05:04
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the key thing is that if you don't like a standard, you don't just poo poo out a substandard package, upload it, and call it a day. you have to, you know, convince other people it's a good idea and discuss it in appropriate venues and fix the standard Go ahead and do that, then. Let me know when you successfully changed the standard.
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May 20, 2014 05:10
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i never liked redhat because i was scarred by RPM at a young age but it seems like the only linux for adults that want a working system and not more CJ work. this is because it's run by grown ups in a real company and not shadowhawks or debtards but seriously get a Mac
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May 20, 2014 05:15
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rhel owns
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May 20, 2014 05:16
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my first experience with linux involved rpm dependency hell. gnu/linux sucks.
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May 20, 2014 05:20
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yes install os 10
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May 20, 2014 05:22
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pram posted:rhel owns
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May 20, 2014 05:50
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linux beef is the best beef
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May 20, 2014 05:54
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Sniep posted:same oh i wish i did this hello from solaris 8!
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May 20, 2014 06:33
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pram posted:yes install os 10 this forever
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May 20, 2014 07:11
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is this where i come in and say i work with codeweavers for fixes on games for mac and linux using crossover?
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May 20, 2014 07:41
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theultimo posted:is this where i come in and say i work with codeweavers for fixes on games for mac and linux using crossover?
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May 20, 2014 08:18
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theultimo posted:is this where i come in and say i work with codeweavers for fixes on games for mac and linux using crossover? We gonna have a CodeWeavers meetup in here? Somebody go grab ColdPie
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May 20, 2014 13:20
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ShadowHawk posted:Sup bro have we met IRL not sure, i started pretty recently, working with ken thomas on improving x11 mac intergration and dx10 patches.
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May 20, 2014 14:57
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theultimo posted:x11 mac intergration this is terrible, stop it
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May 20, 2014 15:16
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Awia posted:oh i wish i did this uhh isn't 8 unsupported now that 11 is out?
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May 20, 2014 15:19
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Release annoucement for a new GTK+ feature turns into an utterly irrelevant 100-post spergfight
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May 20, 2014 16:50
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Mr Dog posted:Release annoucement for a new GTK+ feature turns into an utterly irrelevant 100-post spergfight this is why lwn owns
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May 20, 2014 20:22
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The Management posted:this is terrible, stop it we use a custom x wrapper to get full screen out of wine in os x. normal x11 implementation will not by default. personally, i wish parallels inc would share their dx 10 implemenaton. wine with dx 9 is fine, but with the dx10 changes it requires a new code path, which is difficult to translate into opengl calls.
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May 21, 2014 00:04
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theultimo posted:we use a custom x wrapper to get full screen out of wine in os x. normal x11 implementation will not by default. personally, i wish parallels inc would share their dx 10 implemenaton. wine with dx 9 is fine, but with the dx10 changes it requires a new code path, which is difficult to translate into opengl calls. wish youd write a wrapper to translate your posts into the garbage
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May 21, 2014 00:37
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pram posted:wish youd write a wrapper to translate your posts into the garbage translating posts into garbage is pretty easy I just click the quote button under your name
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May 21, 2014 00:56
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May 21, 2014 01:03
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seems like that joke could have been implemented better
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May 21, 2014 01:04
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pram posted:seems like that joke could have been implemented better
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May 21, 2014 01:08
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pram posted:seems like that joke could have been implemented better yeah kinda sounds like how a joke would sound when you translate it from one language into another without fully understanding the nuances of one or the other of the languages
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May 21, 2014 01:09
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pram posted:seems like that joke could have been implemented better it is a linux joke. if you don't like it write a different and incompatible one
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May 21, 2014 01:10
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shadowhawk is a living chinese room experiment wine on ubuntu is the result
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May 21, 2014 01:11
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theultimo posted:we use a custom x wrapper to get full screen out of wine in os x. normal x11 implementation will not by default. personally, i wish parallels inc would share their dx 10 implemenaton. wine with dx 9 is fine, but with the dx10 changes it requires a new code path, which is difficult to translate into opengl calls. Sniep posted:yeah kinda sounds like how a joke would sound when you translate it from one language into another without fully understanding the nuances of one or the other of the languages
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May 21, 2014 01:11
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The Management posted:it is a linux joke. if you don't like it write a different and incompatible one fork it
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theultimo posted:not sure, i started pretty recently, working with ken thomas on improving x11 mac intergration and dx10 patches.
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May 21, 2014 06:33
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:uhh isn't 8 unsupported now that 11 is out? that does not stop my company, we have a weird bulky "laptop" running windows 3.11 still in active use, its about the size of a cinder block and the keyboard clips over the screen. and we also have some green screen terminal from the 70s (or early 80s i cant remember) that we break out occasionally. ill find the model number its pretty cool
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Awia posted:that does not stop my company, we have a weird bulky "laptop" running windows 3.11 still in active use, its about the size of a cinder block and the keyboard clips over the screen. id take pictures but i cant on site, id get into some deep poo poo if anyone saw me
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Awia posted:and we also have some green screen terminal from the 70s (or early 80s i cant remember) that we break out occasionally. ill find the model number its pretty cool  it gets used a lot im told
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Awia posted:found it online: i find a bunch for sale on ebay and surplus sites but nobody says what it /does/ other than "analyzer' what does it anal?
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