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its hilarious the way they still try to make out that linux is some sort of "windows killer".
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Mar 20, 2014 22:26
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i have a linux in a vm on my desktop does that count
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Mar 20, 2014 22:28
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Sweevo posted:its hilarious the way they still try to make out that linux is some sort of "desktop operating system".
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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whats up with iceweasel
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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Sweevo posted:its hilarious the way they still try to make out that linux is some sort of "windows killer". that issue is from 2000, when people actually believed that for some reason
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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pointsofdata posted:whats up with iceweasel mozilla is a dick about trademarks
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:mozilla is a dick about trademarks oh ok
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Mar 20, 2014 22:37
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Greed is eternal posted:install windows get out of here, cygwin is terrible and super slow just use a vm
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Mar 20, 2014 23:56
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actually the answer is to use mingw
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Mar 21, 2014 00:06
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or better yet don't use a linux
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Mar 21, 2014 00:50
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Sweevo posted:its hilarious the way they still try to make out that linux is some sort of "windows killer". they're just marketing to the people who are still incredibly bitter over arguments from the 90s involving words like "wintel" and "cisc"
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Mar 21, 2014 02:49
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:they're just marketing to the people who are still incredibly bitter over arguments from the 90s involving words like "wintel" and "cisc" die cisc scum
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Mar 21, 2014 02:50
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:they're just marketing to the people who are still incredibly bitter over arguments from the 90s involving words like "wintel" and "cisc" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCqNH7V9R0
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Mar 21, 2014 03:00
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linux is good op
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Mar 21, 2014 07:31
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Suspicious Dish posted:linux is good op
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Mar 21, 2014 07:47
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Linux is fun and exciting and that's why I work on it full-time! ... and also why I'm posting from a Windows 7 machine right now.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:15
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Redhat ship teh rhel 7
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Mar 21, 2014 08:24
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spankmeister posted:Redhat ship teh rhel 7 OK.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:27
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I like linux but uh recently I decided to try centos and use gnome 2 again. it's been a long time since I used gnome 2 and... I think it actually got worse? idk wth is going on with that panel centos svn package is so outdated and has a really nasty bug that kinda hosed me up so that's my centos linux story thanks for reading Symbolic Butt fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 12:20
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it feels good to ssh to a linux machine linux is rad
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Mar 21, 2014 12:23
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Symbolic Butt posted:it feels good to ssh to a linux machine same there's something about it that feels more "computery"
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Mar 21, 2014 13:48
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im tempted to install arch someone tell me why im an idiot
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Mar 21, 2014 14:00
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Awia posted:im tempted to install arch just read ur posting history
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Mar 21, 2014 14:01
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thats why im an idiot in general, not for installing arch
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Mar 21, 2014 14:06
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idk everyone I know who uses arch is kind of a douche
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Mar 21, 2014 14:08
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it's like one of those correlations fedora hats, bitcoins y'know
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Mar 21, 2014 14:08
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is there a yospos approved distro? i wouldnt want to go against conventional yospos wisdom
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Mar 21, 2014 14:11
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I use fedora at work because all the servers are rhel and it's better to learn 1 stack of poo poo than 2
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Mar 21, 2014 14:16
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Arch is bad and you shouldn't use it. I technically work on Fedora, but it's loving awful and I wish it didn't exist. Like one of my coworkers is working on such advanced system features as "atomic system upgrades that actually work" and "nightly test builds". http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/#/ It seems the builds currently aren't working because of a libguestfs bug preventing the images from being made? Ugh. I poked my coworker and it seems he knows about it and isn't sure what to do. He can't seem to reproduce the bug locally. http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/builds/2014/03/01/1/smoketest/ Here's an old build that shows off the system. Right now it only boots it and makes sure it gets to a valid state, but in the future we want to run automated tests that click around the system and fuzzes things and does an infinitely number of tests like "run KDE through Wayland in Hebrew and connected through bridge networking" testing all the edge cases basically. All package managers are terrible. yum is the worst program I've ever used, and nobody seems to care. dnf is faster, but it still crashes and incomprehensibly weird sometimes. Today it couldn't download any .rpm on the server even though I could right-click on the URL it was downloading and curl it in myself. But since I installed the package from a file instead of fetching from a repo, that means I'll never get updates for it, unless I pass some really dumb flag to it.
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Mar 21, 2014 14:55
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Suspicious Dish posted:Arch is bad and you shouldn't use it. the year of linux on the desktop, folks
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Mar 21, 2014 15:17
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maybe you guys should use apt instead also are you saying fedora's autobuilders suck or rh's package management tools suck or both?
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Correct. We've tried to fix this situation multiple times. Really, the core idea about packages is just wrong and bad. Packages have shell scripts that run as root when you install them, and you wouldn't believe the idiotic things that actually go in them that are running on your system as root when you type "yum install butts" or "rpm -Uvh butts.rpm". There's also some infighting between my team ("Desktop Experience") and the team that makes yum/abrt/dnf ("Developer Experience"). One of my coworkers wrote a thing called PackageKit, realized that yum is slow and bad and in order to do things like "search for this package name", you have to take a global lock and it takes around 3 minutes. So, he wrote his own little yum-clone using libhawkey and libsolv. You know, the things that dnf is using. He didn't want anybody to think it was a serious project, just a little toy backend, so he named it "Zero-Insertion Force" as if to say "I am not trying to get anybody to use it". https://github.com/hughsie/zif People on DevExperience team claimed he should be fired for trying to replace him, and for even thinking of besmirching the holy name of yum, because clearly yum is perfect and there are no issues with it. You don't even want to know what happened with razor: https://github.com/krh/razor
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Mr Dog posted:maybe you guys should use apt instead I'm saying that the traditional way to provision a system using packages is broken and wrong, since it involves a lot of client-side shell scripts running as root, and is slow. APT/DEB has the exact same issues. pacman has the exact same issues. zypper has the exact same issues. All package managers are built on this really broken philosophy. Given the restriction of "install all these packages", it's hard to produce a useful, fast autobuilder that works correctly. So it sucks, but unless you do a drastic rethink, it's the way it's going to be.
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jeez. also how do you maintain motivation to work on wayland and gnome and whatever else it is you desktop guys do when 80% of the peanut gallery flings poo poo at anything invented after 1985  my artisanal tiling window manager
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Mar 21, 2014 15:37
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Mr Dog posted:jeez. Half the fun is figuring out who will get the next batch of death threats! We actually have an internal betting pool about which project will blow up next.
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wait a minute
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Mar 21, 2014 15:40
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what the gently caress is wrong with our company
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packages are really bad and dumb and still somehow far and away the best way to do anything. rpm and deb and pacman and whatever other flavor of the week bullshit you're using are all fundamentally very similar to svr4 packaging from 1990. this is not an accident. no one has had any good ideas since then
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