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Soricidus
Oct 20, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
jails are bad places

free bsd

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DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

Wheany posted:

how is the experience when updating between versions of fedora?

because i can't believe that you still have to babysit ubuntu because suddenly in the middle of a multi-hour update process it will stop and wait for user input

there's a good amount of internal effort dedicated to making the upgrade process decent. it worked fine for me, but also i have lots of weird issues with fedora 23 and i dont know if these are related to the upgrade process, something broken in f23, or something dumb i did.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

b0red posted:

container everything on your system. run your whole desktop in a container

this is kind of what xdg-app does

also what app stores in general do. run every app in its own container.

b0red
Apr 3, 2013

online friend posted:

run your containers in containers, and then those containers in more containers

we can go deeper

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope
hey, 2016 might be the year of linux on the desktop for me. or at least there doesn't seem to be any software holding me back anymore.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

by vyelkin
Containers? Any excuse to post this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivpCKEiQOQ&hd=1

Jerry Bindle
May 15, 2003
i rearranged my monitors and now the mouse pointer always clicks about an inch low and a half-inch to the right of where the cursor is pointing, a mild annoyance easily adapted to by the linux desktop user.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

ratbert90 posted:

Containers? Any excuse to post this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivpCKEiQOQ&hd=1

lol

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
docker is bad

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
if somebody decides that node.js or golang is a good platform for building their poo poo on then you can generally expect their poo poo to be garbage

lil tech evaluation tip from the pros for you there

crazypenguin
Mar 9, 2005
nothing witty here, move along
i'm suspicious of docker, but kubernetes looks really good and they're built on docker, so idk

evilcat
May 16, 2009

moonshine is...... posted:

i know this is the linux thread, but how is pcBSD in comparison to desktop linuxes?

Unless you have an application that really benefits from BSD, using it is frustrating and annoying far too often.
That said, NetBSD is good for keeping old hardware hobbling along and ZFS isn't too bad and HAMMER is potentially interesting.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

online friend posted:

run your containers in containers, and then those containers in more containers

   
   
 
 

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Progressive JPEG posted:

   
   
 
 


dog residue for devops

fills up your inventory disk with copies of itself, and maybe also something useful from time to time

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

i work on this thing, it was released as oss recently

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Progressive JPEG posted:

i work on this thing, it was released as oss recently

i'm afraid i have some bad news about you're os

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe

Progressive JPEG posted:

i work on this thing, it was released as oss recently

Oh, you work at Mesosphere? Can you make Chronos not butt rear end please thanks

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

Progressive JPEG posted:

i work on this thing, it was released as oss recently

this looks cool. is it hard to make mesos containers?

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
mesos containers are docker containers basically

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Suspicious Dish posted:

Oh, you work at Mesosphere? Can you make Chronos not butt rear end please thanks

i mostly just use marathon ht h

also patches welcome :smug:

Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 16:59 on May 3, 2016

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

my stepdads beer posted:

this looks cool. is it hard to make mesos containers?

open marathon, create application that loops "echo butts" forever, scale to 5k instances

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Progressive JPEG posted:

open marathon, create application that loops "echo butts" forever, scale to 5k instances

yes butts

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

blowfish posted:

well unless you hand built the CPU in your very own garage semiconductor fab and programmed it in assembly binary you're not properly using you're own computer :smug:

in 1989, some guys on a mailing list designed their own computer based around the natsemi 32000 series. if you have never heard of the national semiconductor 32532, you're in good company. it was a 386 / 68020 competitor that the market totally ignored. but some guys designed a computer and sold like 500 kits for their "pc 532"

netbsd had an active port, netbsd/pc532, from 1993 to 2008. they killed it because gcc removed natsemi 32000 support.

(the netbsd faq about 532 is also fun: https://www.netbsd.org/ports/pc532/faq.html)

quote:


Hi folks,

Unfortunately the time for the pc532 port has come to an end. I'd
managed to keep at least the kernel building and running up until
relatively recently - I'm currently using a 4.99.1 kernel - but lack of
a toolchain (no ns32k support in gcc4) and lack of ELF (from a NetBSD
perspective) mean that it was an uphill battle.

I've removed pc532 support from the source tree. For reference, I've
included the list of affected files and directories below. These were
tagged with the "pc532-eol-2008" tag.

Phil and I are both hoping for lotto wins or large inheritances to drop
from the sky, but until then so long. :-(

moonshine is......
Feb 21, 2007

good to know that pcbsd is a waste of time. sometimes i think maybe i should try a different thing and fiddle around. I was going to try it out despite the threads advice but when i booted the usb stick it just crashed out, so beyond the amount of effort i wanted to put in.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
freebsd and sco and solaris x86 used to really matter

past tense

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

in 1989, some guys on a mailing list designed their own computer based around the natsemi 32000 series. if you have never heard of the national semiconductor 32532, you're in good company. it was a 386 / 68020 competitor that the market totally ignored. but some guys designed a computer and sold like 500 kits for their "pc 532"

netbsd had an active port, netbsd/pc532, from 1993 to 2008. they killed it because gcc removed natsemi 32000 support.

(the netbsd faq about 532 is also fun: https://www.netbsd.org/ports/pc532/faq.html)

i took a bunch of classes from the "Phil" in that block quote way back when

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


professor lumpy balls, they call me
if you want bsd on a pc just make a hackintosh.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

by vyelkin

moonshine is...... posted:

good to know that pcbsd is a waste of time. sometimes i think maybe i should try a different thing and fiddle around. I was going to try it out despite the threads advice but when i booted the usb stick it just crashed out, so beyond the amount of effort i wanted to put in.

Always try new operating systems in a VM first.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Mr Dog posted:

linux also has containers, and it has the advantage of having more developers than a handful of retired greybeards

Linux wouldn't have most its poorly-implemented features if those "retired graybeards" (most of whom are actually profitably employed by companies using BSD) weren't giving them something to clone

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

moonshine is...... posted:

good to know that pcbsd is a waste of time. sometimes i think maybe i should try a different thing and fiddle around. I was going to try it out despite the threads advice but when i booted the usb stick it just crashed out, so beyond the amount of effort i wanted to put in.

if you're considering a BSD just go straight to FreeBSD or NetBSD, don't bother with a "distro"

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker

eschaton posted:

if you're considering a BSD just go straight to FreeBSD or NetBSD, don't bother with a "distro"

Same but OpenBSD.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

i really cannot bring myself to minding netbsd, it is far enough off in the terrain that it is clearly a just for the sake of it labor of love sort of thing

also there is of course the usual hobgoblin of little minds tendency to appreciate the small and simple despite it in actuality being worse for *everything* than the more complex alternative. i am working on that though

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





is there a scenario where bsd is the superior choice to linux? also what bsd and why

e: net, open, or free; not os x

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

mike12345 posted:

is there a scenario where bsd is the superior choice to linux? also what bsd and why

e: net, open, or free; not os x

a few years ago freebsd was the only oracle-free platform with a mature zfs implementation

Soricidus
Oct 20, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

The_Franz posted:

a few years ago freebsd was the only oracle-free platform with a mature zfs implementation

i'm not sure "you've been sent back in time and need to use zfs to power your time machine to get back to the present day" is a very compelling scenario

evilcat
May 16, 2009

mike12345 posted:

is there a scenario where bsd is the superior choice to linux? also what bsd and why

e: net, open, or free; not os x

Net is not bad if your computer consists of roadkill impaled on roadkill and connected to a B&W tv. The only catch is the badger port still has a few bugs.

Dragonfly is good if you want to build a cluster computer and/or want a reason to tear your hair out and hate life. It does give command tips on login though, which helps as I would have never thought to even try something like pkg_info | sort | sed -e 's/-[0-9].*$//' | \uniq -c | grep -o '^[[:space:]]*1'

doomisland
Oct 5, 2004

mike12345 posted:

is there a scenario where bsd is the superior choice to linux? also what bsd and why

e: net, open, or free; not os x

its v6 stack is better than linux apparently. probably because netflix uses bsd for their cdn and contributes back code for it.

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe
freebsd is actually good.

ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer
i made a pull request yesterday to add iterm's inline image support to a command line twitter client and someone asked if i could do the same for Terminology support. i had no idea what it was and looked it up holy gently caress was i surprised to learn enlightnment is still a thing

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nosl
Jan 17, 2015

CHIM, bitch!

online friend posted:

freebsd is actually good.

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