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No, the hardest part is shaving off your neckbeard and hanging up your fedora.
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syntaxrigger posted:this is more or less the idea. lol, at that point i'd just buy a macbook and get a linux that isn't complete poo poo. the point of using linux is that i have a random castoff laptop that i need to use for one specific issue, and it's poo poo for even that p.s.: if you feel pretentious looking at macbooks it's because you're an image obsessed hipster dipshit.
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infernal machines posted:so the drivers exist already? yes? broadcom distributes drivers and firmware under a restrictive license, and they are super bad under normal laptop circumstances (e.g. power management is almost totally broken). a reverse-engineered open source driver exists but it still requires broadcom's firmware. bcm doesn't really care that poo poo is broken on laptops because they wrote/published the driver for use in wireless APs and routers Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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infernal machines posted:lol, at that point i'd just buy a macbook and get a linux that isn't complete poo poo. the point of using linux is that i have a random castoff laptop that i need to use for one specific issue, and it's poo poo for even that developing linux software on osx is dumb as gently caress if you're doing more than matlab and some perl one-liners, you probably want a real non-poo poo unix, not osx.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you're doing more than matlab and some perl one-liners, you probably want a real non-poo poo unix, not osx. yeah, but i'm not and idgaf about whatever  ing you want to do re: mach memcpy performance or whatever. i have a few rare use cases where i need *nix tools and i'd rather have something that works when i install it, then have to spend another hour loving with some busted-rear end driver poo poo because free software is literally worthless.
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theadder posted:*begins the incantations to summon pram* it's ⌘ + Option + P + R infernal machines fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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infernal machines posted:yeah, but i'm not and idgaf about whatever i also prefer to have something that works when i install it. so i usually install a set of signed binaries from a supported repository with a vendor phone number i can call if it breaks as opposed to osx, where you have shell scripts written by literal children to download source code and (hopefully) compile it. god help you if you need to update any of it gently caress homebrew forever
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gently caress homebrew forever word. 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:developing linux software is dumb as gently caress
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Cocoa Crispies posted:developing software is dumb as gently caress
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why are the linuxers so mad about systemd having binary journaling. are there people who like to hack their journals with vim or some poo poo
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Hello from Guatemala. Computers are really cool and fun and so is Linux. I have a job that is cook and fun and Linux and I just got fresh, hand picked, home made, roasted in front of my eyes coffee and it was delicious. And some weird sweet corn tamale that was delicious. Also I saw a car accident and a volcano explode. Today was good.
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Breakfast All Day posted:why are the linuxers so mad about systemd having binary journaling. are there people who like to hack their journals with vim or some poo poo Excuse me sir but the UNIX PHILOSOPHY is to have small tools that do ONE THING WELL and communicate using PLAIN TEXT FILES and if you deviate from that you might as well install windows. I do all my text editing in ed and everything I edit is text, as the greybeards intended
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Suspicious Dish posted:Hello from Guatemala. Computers are really cool and fun and so is Linux. I have a job that is cook and fun and Linux and I just got fresh, hand picked, home made, roasted in front of my eyes coffee and it was delicious. And some weird sweet corn tamale that was delicious. Also I saw a car accident and a volcano explode. Today was good. sounds cool & good & send me one of your test units thanks
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Breakfast All Day posted:why are the linuxers so mad about systemd having binary journaling. are there people who like to hack their journals with vim or some poo poo also we're used to just hitting up a file with grep or tail like everything else, and now we have to learn a bullshit special snowflake command that's more than four letters long. also apparently it corrupts itself sometimes and poettering don't care
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Suspicious Dish posted:Hello from Guatemala. Computers are really cool and fun and so is Linux. I have a job that is cook and fun and Linux and I just got fresh, hand picked, home made, roasted in front of my eyes coffee and it was delicious. And some weird sweet corn tamale that was delicious. Also I saw a car accident and a volcano explode. Today was good. so how about selling me one of those cool wooden boxes that has compute inside?
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I'll let you know when the 100,000 units go out. Then I can afford to give you one of them. We don't ship them in English so you'll have to convert it into a dev system or wipe it clean.
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Soricidus posted:it's change, which is bad. this but unironically change is intrinsically bad and you have to have really, really good reason for it.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:change is intrinsically bad and you have to have really, really good reason for it. its a lot like blanket statements in that respect
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the one thing i don't like about systemd is that nobody can explain why single-hierarchy cgroups do not permit delegation of cgroup managers. one does not seem to logically follow from the other. the whole thing is managed using a virtual filesystem, right? why not just use chown and chmod to delegate instead of having to use a d-bus api. normally i dislike filesystem-like interfaces to kernel apis but this might be one of the few places where it actually makes sense and systemd is going ahead and breaking it. there's probably a good reason for it, i just can't find one and nobody answered my question on lwn.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i also prefer to have something that works when i install it. so i usually install a set of signed binaries from a supported repository with a vendor phone number i can call if it breaks don't forget if you need gcc to make a file because some idiot baby thought that would be a cool thing to shovel on the user installing his/her program infernal machines posted:lol, at that point i'd just buy a macbook and get a linux that isn't complete poo poo. the point of using linux is that i have a random castoff laptop that i need to use for one specific issue, and it's poo poo for even that meh macs are moneypits unless you are doing graphics or whatever
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syntaxrigger posted:meh macs are moneypits unless you are doing graphics or whatever any fancy business-class lenovo tends to be slightly more expensive than the comparable mac, but lenovos are certified for linux it's worth paying a little extra for the better OS
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syntaxrigger posted:meh macs are moneypits unless you are doing graphics or whatever I heard that adobe software on mac has been getting super bad in the last years, so idk
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:any fancy business-class lenovo tends to be slightly more expensive than the comparable mac, but lenovos are certified for linux are all lenovos certified? i know certain ones are
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syntaxrigger posted:are all lenovos certified? well don't buy a bad lenovo duh
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:any fancy business-class lenovo tends to be slightly more expensive than the comparable mac, but lenovos are certified for linux
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syntaxrigger posted:meh macs are moneypits unless you are doing graphics or whatever and pro-audio. there is a lot of high-end software and equipment that is mac only because that's just the way it's always been
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when's gnome gonna get a proper file open dialog? the dialog on windows and kde is perfect, cuz its just the file explorer in a smaller scale. why does gnome have that combo box and a hidden and foreign looking file list instead of a small familiar file explorer hmmm? what i amsaying is gtk file open dialog must die die die
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:when's gnome gonna get a proper file open dialog? gnome used to have a regular file open dialog they removed it because it was too complicated
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:when's gnome gonna get a proper file open dialog? I agree. We spent some time a few cycles ago making it better, but it never landed because we were scared to adjust the file open box one more time. I'll try to push it through one more time.
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they rowed back on that stupid "spatial file manager" poo poo they can row back on this too i understand the idea behind that, it just doesn't match how people use computers; they don't linger in many shallow folders simultaneously, they navigate through a bunch of nested folders to get to the deep one they're interested in.
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Mr Dog posted:they rowed back on that stupid "spatial file manager" poo poo they can row back on this too but ... yeah, you had to have the whole os designed around it. you couldn't just bolt it onto an existing unix, already packed to the gills with deep folder hierarchies, and expect it to work.
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Soricidus posted:i used a real old mac for a job one summer years ago and i actually kinda liked the way the spatial finder used to work. it was pretty efficient. macs close the entire folder hierarchy when you shift click the close button and have spring loaded folders, two things spatial never had
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pseudorandom name posted:spring loaded folders how skeuomorphic!! seriously tho what does it mean?
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:how skeuomorphic!! drag a file onto a folder, the folder window opens, repeat on as many subfolders as you want, release the file in the destination folder, all the folders opened during the drag and drop close automatically
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Suspicious Dish posted:I agree. We spent some time a few cycles ago making it better, but it never landed because we were scared to adjust the file open box one more time. I'll try to push it through one more time. you don't need open or save dialogs if you have a decent desktop file manager and a standard stationery system for apps to hook into. they only exist at all because the original Macintosh didn't have enough RAM to run Finder at the same time as an application. the Macintosh team invented them because of the limitations that were imposed upon them, not because they were a good idea in themselves. of course every system that followed the Macintosh has mimicked them, and some of those systems (any form of desktop Linux) are nth-degree mimics because they're just mindlessly copying what another system did.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:how skeuomorphic!! I'm actually the idiot that doesn't know what skeumorphic means
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Captain Foo posted:I'm actually the idiot that doesn't know what skeumorphic means i have to look it up every so often to find out -- i think it means that the icon for a folder you store digital files in should look like a real-life folder you would store real-life files in
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