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kde is offensively ugly, that's the main reason i don't use it
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Mr Dog posted:kde is offensively ugly, that's the main reason i don't use it
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Mar 22, 2014 02:32
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idk how hard it is to theme kde to be unoffensive. it is probably worth it
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Mar 22, 2014 02:47
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there's themes and then there's lovely layout and padding unpadded buttons are just  kde's ugliness isn't something a lick of paint can fix
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Mar 22, 2014 03:14
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ok I installed ubuntu gnome today so I can take a look at gnome 3, first thing I look at these updates after I just installed it and  what
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Mar 22, 2014 03:16
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why did you install ubuntu. fedora 20 is a better gnome experience.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:19
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suspicious dish can you please make gnome software not ask me to restart and update every single day it's worse than windows
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Mar 22, 2014 03:21
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install scientific linux
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Mar 22, 2014 03:22
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my stepdads beer posted:why did you install ubuntu. fedora 20 is a better gnome experience. idk I'm used to apt also centos packages really let me down in a way that even ubuntu never really hosed me up so I'm afraid of the yum now
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Mar 22, 2014 03:23
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Symbolic Butt posted:idk I'm used to apt also centos packages really let me down in a way that even ubuntu never really hosed me up so I'm afraid of the yum now i've never once had a dist-upgrade do anything but gently caress my system into unbootability. not once has it worked.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:29
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my stepdads beer posted:suspicious dish can you please make gnome software not ask me to restart and update every single day it's worse than windows It should be once a week, not once a day. Again, the long-term solution is to have a barrier between applications and the OS, and not have applications as packages.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:45
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Symbolic Butt posted:idk I'm used to apt also centos packages really let me down in a way that even ubuntu never really hosed me up so I'm afraid of the yum now You should be afraid of yum. It's bad and stupid.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:45
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the only good non-headless linux is crunchbang
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Mar 22, 2014 03:49
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double sulk posted:the only good non-headless linux is crunchbang tell me about ur conky config, double sulk, how many meters does it have
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Mar 22, 2014 03:54
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have a picture of 2014 year of linux on the symbolic buttstop it's so white
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Mar 22, 2014 04:03
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in it voted 5
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Mar 22, 2014 04:09
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use amberpos
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Mar 22, 2014 04:15
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Symbolic Butt posted:ok I installed ubuntu gnome today so I can take a look at gnome 3, first thing I look at these updates after I just installed it and ubuntu is loving terrible. you could literally not have done worse. as much as i hate gnome 3, i am pretty sure you did not give it a fair shake
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Mar 22, 2014 04:16
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Yes, the weird clipping and overlapping drawing is a bug in Ubuntu GNOME, caused by Ubuntu's patches to GTK+.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:18
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*sigh* ok tomorrow I'll try fedora geez
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Mar 22, 2014 04:19
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yes, the weird clipping and overlapping drawing is a bug in Ubuntu GNOME, caused by Ubuntu's patches to GTK+. so basically you're hosed, you can't make a consistent DE because the distos can just break it with whatever hackjob they decide to ship this is why linux on the desktop doesn't work. there are a million different implementations of everything, users can't just grab one and go because they have no way of knowing what will be broken by any given distro. and there's always something broken.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:23
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Symbolic Butt posted:*sigh* ok tomorrow I'll try fedora geez You don't have to do anything if you really don't want to: just letting you know that it's a known Ubuntu GNOME bug, and there's nothing us GNOME developers can do about it.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:25
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Symbolic Butt posted:*sigh* ok tomorrow I'll try fedora geez just as a reminder. good linux, like people actually use to make money and not be laughed at:
middlin' linux, like beardos like on their desktops:
crap linux is everything else. ubuntu earns a special place in hell though. it is literally the worst of the worst. it's a bait-and-switch, they promise you one thing and you get another. at least gentoo and arch are exactly what they claim to be
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Mar 22, 2014 04:30
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infernal machines posted:so basically you're hosed, you can't make a consistent DE because the distos can just break it with whatever hackjob they decide to ship no, it works fine on every sane linux ubuntu is just dogshit in a pressure cooker. you literally cannot find a worse distribution. it is a clusterfuck in every way, from every angle think about this: i was just put in the position of defending gtk 3
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Mar 22, 2014 04:31
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no, it works fine on every sane linux okay, so can you name a "sane" linux distro that consumer oriented, intended to be installed on a desktop? i.e. one that has a graphical installer, auto-partitioning, and doesn't dump you to a command line to install graphics/sound/wireless/whatever when there are no working open source drivers.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:42
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:think about this: i was just put in the position of defending gtk 3 The horror!
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Mar 22, 2014 05:13
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i dont get it the b&w ones: sideways imgur logo, a lego man sitting at a chair with his arms out, a cone with tits, pacman eating a clock with offset hands flashlight music, space docking, drafting tools, a lovely drawing of a cat a soap dispensor, a waterfall, minimizing to the windows toolbar, time before 2:55 an googly eye stuck to a sign, someone with a long finger pointing at a chat bubble, an internet explorer notepad, a double pull double throw switch which follows an S motion space docking part 2, a ladder covering a large cymbal, an xbox, cannibalism a box with the flaps open, soap in a soap dish, a bluetooth earpiece on its stand, playing a video picture of a mountain, pencil with a broken tip, alien invaders shooting, a warning about tubes of red paint the color ones: a tiny golf club hitting a ball, a golf ball near a flag, 69, a leaf made by m&m the new segway, a window in a door, tetris, a square feeting a fish to another square that same bluetooth earpiece on a stand, the same bad cat drawing, a robotic spider, a lovely bee colony knockoff of the OCP logo, 2 hunchbacks loving, a snake with arms, a poorly placed seal on an envelope 2 of those tower of hanoi things stuck back to back, the same alien invader shooting, a reduce reuse recycle drawing, a piece of toast i dont get it
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Mar 22, 2014 06:20
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Wild EEPROM posted:i dont get it 
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Mar 22, 2014 06:28
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:just as a reminder. I've been using ubuntu and debian exclusively for idk how long. in my home mostly ubuntu with awesomewm because I didn't care really. like infernal machines said, I never dist-upgrade lol I think the last time I saw ubuntu break REALLY HARD was in 2007 because of some xorg update shenanigan so anyway I finally decided to try new stuff because I wanna be a hip linix person
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Mar 22, 2014 06:43
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Wild EEPROM posted:a cone with tits I'm p sure you get it heh
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Mar 22, 2014 06:45
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can't believe i'm recommending someone try a fedora, but yes, try fedora
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Mar 22, 2014 07:41
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if you still have ubuntu gnome installed, you can try to limp along by adding the gnome3 ppa, then running update/upgrade. that will get you (mostly) up to gnome 3.10, which is current.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:42
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'm saying that the traditional way to provision a system using packages is broken and wrong, since it involves a lot of client-side shell scripts running as root, and is slow. Suspicious Dish posted:Really, the core idea about packages is just wrong and bad. Packages have shell scripts that run as root when you install them, and you wouldn't believe the idiotic things that actually go in them that are running on your system as root when you type "yum install butts" or "rpm -Uvh butts.rpm". There are also a whole class of packages (the new Click packages) that are flat-out prohibited from having maintainer scripts, except those automatically generated by debhelper. These are ideal for "apps" that have no business running weird root code.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:47
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there's also the idea that packages should be more atomic than 'running some scripts as root that does stuff' so that you can rollback a la NixOS
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Mar 22, 2014 07:55
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Also Ubuntu is in that awkward stage right now where we're near the release of a new LTS and so no one wants to backport fixes to earlier releases because in a month we'll all be telling people to just upgrade to 14.04. And ubuntu-gnome in 13.10 wasn't a real release yet it was like 2 people putting it together as a prototype. 14.04 ubuntu-gnome is actually like a real derivative.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:19
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Suspicious Dish posted:
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Mar 22, 2014 08:21
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Suspicious Dish posted:You should be afraid of yum. It's bad and stupid. rpm -e --nodeps yum done
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Mar 22, 2014 12:04
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ShadowHawk posted:Little late to this posting party but I gotta tell you to reinvestigate how Debian/Ubuntu packages actually work these days. Maintainer scripts are still possible, but the vast majority of packages have their maintainer scripts autogenerated by the packaging system now. Basically every "legit" use of a maintainer script (say, updating the font cache) was moved into Debhelper, and the package just invokes that. It's even smart enough to operate on triggers, so if you install two packages that do the same thing that just gets deferred until both are unpacked. The issue is that they're still running scripts as root that make untracked changes to your operating system. Yes, that could be updating a font or icon cache, but you're still left with files on your system with no way to rollback. I also looked at a random postinst for a service: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/accountsservice/trusty/view/head:/debian/accountsservice.postinst It first tries to racily kill and restart the service. Cool. Then it does a random migration with regexps on /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment. The files are not backed up and if the script fucks up, your computer is a brick. Well, you can repair it, but that means digging through poo poo in /etc/ that nobody should ever care about. Why the gently caress are config file migrations done with sed and awk in Ubuntu?
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Mar 22, 2014 14:29
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ShadowHawk posted:Also Ubuntu is in that awkward stage right now where we're near the release of a new LTS and so no one wants to backport fixes to earlier releases because in a month we'll all be telling people to just upgrade to 14.04. Wait, what? You tell your customers running old LTSes that you aren't going to backport patches to it and to upgrade to the newest LTS as soon as it's available? How is that in any way an LTS? I backport patches to RHEL5 every week. It loving sucks, but I do it because that's the contract the customer signed.
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That looks like a script i would make which means it's really bad.
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