|
Zlodo posted:pretty much the entire industry believes in strealing, like it or not 
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? Feb 9, 2025 12:16 |
|
|
Fiedler posted:unless google is 100% funding the stadia port there's no reason any game dev should do it. and yet we are. the promise that anyone able to watch netflix will be able to purchase a game without investing a cent in additional hardware has caught the industry's attention. I mean just look at the announced stadia games, all the big players are already in.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:15
|
|
|
Google paid all of those to port games.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:18
|
|
|
Suspicious Dish posted:Google paid all of those to port games. nope
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:18
|
|
|
And make no mistake - if Stadia dies, Vulkan dies too, and so does Linux gaming. Google is funding most of the games tooling out there.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:19
|
|
|
Zlodo posted:nope Yes they did. Trust me on this. I have insider knowledge. This is not even a Google thing either. Nobody considers a new platform unless the platform owner funds the port.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:21
|
|
|
i feel like watching netflix and playing a game over the internets are two vastly different things. a video can scale down to 720p and keep looking pretty ok by modern standards, a game made for 1080p has fonts and windows that will look like rear end on 720p. i guess if you limit yourself to console games with big fonts made to play on a tv, this isn't an issue but then we have latency. you can watch netflix on a shitshow of an internet connection and it'll just buffer 30 seconds of your video to compensate and play smoothly. a game starts feeling off at about ~100ms input lag. a fast paced action game at half that, many even less. how many people live within 20ms of a google datacenter? probably a shitton, but "anyone who can netflix" is probably an order of magnitude higher than that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:24
|
|
|
Zlodo posted:and yet we are. you seem to be confusing game streaming and stadia as if they are one and the same. sony and microsoft will succeed at game streaming, what with their established customers, industry partnerships, and exclusives. google will gently caress about for a year or two and then abandon the whole thing, as is their tradition.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:25
|
|
|
i feel like if you want to sell games to "literally everyone", make good games that run on phones and chomebooks. candy crush user 5432513245 is going to run your app, notice how your version of tetris has a nice 0.1s input delay and go back to his old app that runs smoothly and doesn't take 60GB per hour dataplan to play the game
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:34
|
|
|
someone made the mistake of uttering “the Netflix of gaming” to an exec one day and now we get to watch this idiocy unfold for the next few months lol
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:36
|
|
|
Suspicious Dish posted:Yes they did. Trust me on this. I have insider knowledge. This is not even a Google thing either. Nobody considers a new platform unless the platform owner funds the port. Fiedler posted:you seem to be confusing game streaming and stadia as if they are one and the same. quote:sony and microsoft will succeed at game streaming, what with their established customers, industry partnerships, and exclusives. streaming is not about selling games to already established customers who already have gaming computers or consoles, it's about reaching new ones. quote:google will gently caress about for a year or two and then abandon the whole thing, as is their tradition. back to my original point, which was that the industry at large is porting games to stadia. whether it will succeed or not, whether sony or microsoft's equivalent offer will succeed or not is besides the point.
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 22:54
|
|
|
the virgin 32 bit vs the chad 64 bit
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 23:18
|
|
|
I just installed IRIX 6.5 on an SGI Indigo² IMPACT R10000 from 1996 and it’s running fully 64-bit also feels p nice even though it only has Solid IMPACT graphics (someday I’ll find the fancy card for it, and TRAM)
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 23:29
|
|
|
akadajet posted:Ubuntu lumpy ligma what's ligma
|
|
#
?
Jun 23, 2019 23:49
|
|
|
Poopernickel posted:what's ligma Ligma nuts... b i t c h
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 00:01
|
|
|
my bitter bi rival posted:Ligma gnuts... b i t c h
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 00:27
|
|
|
Suspicious Dish posted:And make no mistake - if Stadia dies, Vulkan dies too, and so does Linux gaming. Google is funding most of the games tooling out there. a google team maintains the spir-v support in microsoft's modern hlsl compiler, but a lot of the other vulkan projects are funded by valve. renderdoc, spirv-cross and moltenvk being the big ones i can think of off the top of my head never mind that android will still be a relevant platform for mobile developers and industries like high-end vfx, medical imaging and automotive aren't windows-centric
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:08
|
|
|
gaming is for nerds. let jocks retake Linux once again.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:19
|
|
|
my bitter bi rival posted:gaming is for nerds. let jocks retake Linux once again. tbqh i like the idea of streaming games because for the most part idgaf about aaa games anymore, and when i see something i might want to play every 3 or 4 years i can do so without having to buy a new video card or paying a lot of money for a locked down console box that i don't actually own much like how my politics have become more liberal as i've grown older, my tolerance for "buy our expensive box that only runs what we let it" has gone way down. it's the principal if nothing else
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:30
|
|
|
my bitter bi rival posted:gaming is for nerds. let jocks retake Linux once again.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:33
|
|
|
The_Franz posted:tbqh i like the idea of streaming games because for the most part idgaf about aaa games anymore, and when i see something i might want to play every 3 or 4 years i can do so without having to buy a new video card or paying a lot of money for a locked down console box that i don't actually own principle
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:54
|
|
|
if you can't replace Mr. X with Thomas the Tank Engine or the dragon with Macho Man Randy Savage than why even play the game in the first place?
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 02:56
|
|
|
The_Franz posted:does their bundled wine fork use the steam runtime or the system libraries? it defaults to using the steam runtime for most libs, but there are still external dependencies e.g. vulkan and opengl support have to come from your gpu vendor for obvious reasons, and they need to be up to date
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 03:06
|
|
|
ubuntu's official word on the subject is that 32 bit will continue to be supported... in the form of 18.04 frozen library versions running in containers on 19.10 and future releases which, of course, solves none of these problems
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 03:07
|
|
|
The_Franz posted:tbqh i like the idea of streaming games because for the most part idgaf about aaa games anymore, and when i see something i might want to play every 3 or 4 years i can do so without having to buy a new video card or paying a lot of money for a locked down console box that i don't actually own yeah paying for time limited access to a game that could be taken away at any time because of a failure in any number of links in a complex chain sure sounds like a better thing to do
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 03:16
|
|
|
Cocoa Crispies posted:principle no i meant principal. as in a deranged, retired principal will jump out from behind a lamppost and beat me with an old school bell if i buy a piece of non free hardware 
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 03:24
|
|
|
Half life 3 to be released exclusively on gentoo
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 04:45
|
|
|
The concept of Stadia makes me a little excited because if all the cloud nodes have a backend crossbar with something like 40 gig ethernet or ifiniband or whatever you could start offloading rendering tasks to multiple nodes to scale graphics performance or for multiplayer games you could have the game physics state running on one node with a huge number of dynamic objects and all the other players would just use that same data on the backend, removing the huge headache of synchronizing everything for players with different network latencies, framerates and bandwith. I doubt it will ever be used like that, instead just getting a bunch of lazy ports of old games before google shuts it down. But still.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 06:01
|
|
|
StarCraft ftw
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 06:02
|
|
|
Smythe posted:Half life 3 to be released exclusively on gentoo games-fps/half-life-3-r2.ebuild
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 06:14
|
|
|
r u ready to WALK posted:The concept of Stadia makes me a little excited because if all the cloud nodes have a backend crossbar with something like 40 gig ethernet or ifiniband or whatever you could start offloading rendering tasks to multiple nodes to scale graphics performance or for multiplayer games you could have the game physics state running on one node with a huge number of dynamic objects and all the other players would just use that same data on the backend, removing the huge headache of synchronizing everything for players with different network latencies, framerates and bandwith.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 07:39
|
|
|
r u ready to WALK posted:The concept of Stadia makes me a little excited because if all the cloud nodes have a backend crossbar with something like 40 gig ethernet or ifiniband or whatever you could start offloading rendering tasks to multiple nodes to scale graphics performance or for multiplayer games you could have the game physics state running on one node with a huge number of dynamic objects and all the other players would just use that same data on the backend, removing the huge headache of synchronizing everything for players with different network latencies, framerates and bandwith. no serious game dev would ever architect a game like that until stadia is around for like 10 years (and it wont be) also offloading rendering to multiple nodes makes no sense when the drat thing will be shoved through a narrow vp10 pipe in the end.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 07:52
|
|
|
i suspect microsoft is the best positioned in the streaming space either way, they have better immediate scale as they are the backend for sony too, and they have more datacenters distributed more evenly across the world than google does (meaning stadia will either get a worse name because more people will have it work badly, or google just refrains from offering it in more of the world).
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 09:50
|
|
|
i think stadia could be very big, but not for any existing games but for 1000+ player battle royale yet to be written imagine a 1000+ youtube "influencers" playing the same game all streaming at once and taking over the youtube homepage, that could make money
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 14:12
|
|
|
Perplx posted:i think stadia could be very big, but not for any existing games but for 1000+ player battle royale yet to be written the mmo hysteria did die out for pretty good reasons not related to technology i'd say. streaming in general (not sure stadia should be taken as the one model really) might indeed open up the market in some huge way though, as it might draw in a lot of casual players, and that might open up more social aspects nicely.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 14:20
|
|
|
Cybernetic Vermin posted:the mmo hysteria did die out for pretty good reasons not related to technology i'd say. streaming in general (not sure stadia should be taken as the one model really) might indeed open up the market in some huge way though, as it might draw in a lot of casual players, and that might open up more social aspects nicely. what mmo requires more hardware than is found in a $300 laptop casual players aren't hurting for hardware, the games just aren't worth playing
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 14:42
|
|
|
who still needs mmos when every shooter nowadays has a multiplayer option with a lobby. mmos might go extinct, but the massive social aspect that made them popular in the first place, can now be found anywhere.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 14:45
|
|
|
mike12345 posted:who still needs mmos when every shooter nowadays has a multiplayer option with a lobby. mmos might go extinct, but the massive social aspect that made them popular in the first place, can now be found anywhere. no shooter has catgirls so the last standing MMO will soon be FFXIV
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 14:58
|
|
|
Notorious b.s.d. posted:what mmo requires more hardware than is found in a $300 laptop i mean mmo in the broader (not-necessarily-mmorpg) sense that perplx was alluding to; tossing 1000 players into a game and it somehow becomes compelling (battle royale in his example) there is of course a possibility that this works out way better with more casuals, as the issue could all along have been that gamers are unpleasant and fewer is actually better.
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 15:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? Feb 9, 2025 12:16 |
|
|
Suspicious Dish posted:Google paid all of those to port games. google has hundreds of open stadia jobs for 'client integrations engineer'. they're all google employees loaned out to studios to port to stadia
|
|
#
?
Jun 24, 2019 19:50
|
|
