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Gazpacho posted:it seems to be a standard argument for lean init systems to say that "the kernel requires nothing from pid 1 except to be a process collector of last resort therefore that is all it must ever do" why cant we keep what we have now then since it works?
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my stepdads beer posted:what's the k kernel. It has the kernel of FreeBSD and the userspace of Debian.
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Nov 1, 2014 05:26
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good troll
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Sniep posted:why cant we keep what we have now then since it works?
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gently caress wayland, mir is the best also LOL no one gave a poo poo about wayland and it wasn't moving at all until Ubuntu said 'gently caress your stupid slow rear end, we'll make our own and it will be better' and Intel did one of those aww hell naww and wayland development make significant inroads.
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Nov 1, 2014 07:14
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I was involved in porting GNOME to Wayland and working on Wayland way before Mir was announced. It was proceeding at a steady pace, and always has been, but nobody gave a poo poo about it. Mir is serious demoware designed for mobile systems. It doesn't even support custom cursors.
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Nov 1, 2014 07:16
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finally Linux gets a window server approximating what NeXT and NeWS had 25+ years ago to replace the X-Windows garbage great job, high fives all around wonder if there's a package for Raspberry Pi yet (Raspbian or whatever), and how much better it'll work
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Nov 1, 2014 07:30
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lol if you believe NeWS was a good idea
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Nov 1, 2014 07:33
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"yeah let's just put a stack-based garbage collected language runtime in your high-performance display server responsible for rendering at 60fps. also everything is global and all applications can see all resources. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?"
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Nov 1, 2014 07:35
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quartz owns
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Nov 1, 2014 07:48
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http://forkfedora.org
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Nov 1, 2014 07:53
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hell yeah, I'll create my own fedora remix that comes with bc 
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eschaton posted:finally Linux gets a window server approximating what NeXT and NeWS had 25+ years ago to replace the X-Windows garbage Weston.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:35
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5 Who made this? Fork Debian had to of been made by a buttcoiner. They started the wiki.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:36
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it should rotate thru different configs to compare on each reload imo
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Nov 1, 2014 13:39
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Suspicious Dish posted:kernel. It has the kernel of FreeBSD and the userspace of Debian. would that make it gnu/debian/kfreebsd?
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Nov 1, 2014 15:44
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Suspicious Dish posted:kernel. It has the kernel of FreeBSD and the userspace of Debian. the best part is that gnu/kfreebsd was one of two debian projects based on freebsd. they were in direct competition for some years the other one attempted to use a freebsd libc/userspace with debian packaging.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:51
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Suspicious Dish posted:"yeah let's just put a stack-based garbage collected language runtime in your high-performance display server responsible for rendering at 60fps. also everything is global and all applications can see all resources. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?" but enough about your javascript implementation of X
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javascript X11 is pretty much the one good use of javascript ever can't wait for it to reach the point where i can run gnome3 in the browser
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Soricidus posted:javascript X11 is pretty much the one good use of javascript ever but my browser is already unusable
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Nov 1, 2014 21:38
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Why hasn't the v8 engine been grafted onto the linus kernel yet
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:but my browser is already unusable so was linux before gnome
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Nov 1, 2014 22:27
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Gazpacho posted:Why hasn't the v8 engine been grafted onto the linus kernel yet yeah why cant we write device drivers in javascript yet
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Nov 1, 2014 22:28
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Tried that Wayland doohicky that Gnome can do now and it makes windows open and do stuff, but now I can't tap to click on my touchpad. Gotta use the lovely clicky bits on the touchpad. Some real competition for real OSes there.
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Nov 2, 2014 07:53
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less than 2 months for 2014 to be the year of linux on the desktop can we do it?
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we might manage 2 get it on one desktop
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Nov 2, 2014 08:37
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So everyone hates systemd but no one really knows why? Also: http://ubuntuce.com/
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Cardboard Box A posted:So everyone hates systemd but no one really knows why? obviously because it's not launchd which good luck without the awesomeness that is Mach (or another microkernel with reasonable scheduling and IPC)
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Cardboard Box A posted:So everyone hates systemd but no one really knows why? imagine i took the effort to type the following in all caps with lots of exclamation marks and subliterate insults against poettering it's not traditional unix arglebargle do one thing and do it well askldfjasdvn a monstrosity corrupting our pure bodily fluids buhhhhhhhh we are sysadmins hear us roar ffhfhfhfhfhfhf monolithic monolithic monolithic qwertyuiop real men write shell scripts (it's the linux version of the tea party in other words)
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BobHoward posted:(it's the linux version of the tea party in other words)
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My question on debian-stable did not yield much laff. But this is the That they all used. Also, one linked to an article that Pottering did not like Linus. Apparently high level kernel developers are fantasizing about killing him.
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Suspicious Dish posted:How so? I've been using it as a day to day desktop for a few weeks now, and it works quite well. with GDK_BACKEND=wayland? or with everything connecting via XWayland (which is apparently the default in 3.14) and just making GBS threads things up even more
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Nov 2, 2014 14:51
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i like systemd because anything that makes me less likely to look at bash scripts is good
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agreed it doesn't take very long to get used to the new conventions, but beardos gotta beard and get real mad at minutiae on the internet. oh no i have to spend a few hours learning something new, clearly the better use of time would be complaining + campaigning against it
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systemd im fine with not a huge fan of journald over text logs tho
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Mr Dog posted:with GDK_BACKEND=wayland? or with everything connecting via XWayland (which is apparently the default in 3.14) and just making GBS threads things up even more Either. It's not the default because some apps haven't been fully ported. We're looking at exposing APIs for apps to say they support native Wayland.
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IPvSH6T posted:systemd im fine with I think that's fair. I like the journal a lot more, personally, but it does take some getting used to. You can install rsyslog though and have it work fine.
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Cardboard Box A posted:So everyone hates systemd but no one really knows why? 
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forkfedora posted:[ "x$DAEMON" = xyes ] i suppose it might be pulled in from sendmail upstream but i'm not finding it there
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Gazpacho posted:what is this, why is someone tagging strings with x to compare them in a bash script it's a cargo-cult practice you'll see a lot in bad scripts. i guess some shell once had a bug where empty variables caused a syntax error even if you quoted them or something? in any case it's unnecessary in that instance and whoever wrote that did not understand why they were doing it any more than you did.
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