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despite my earlier statements i think i will try arch because any sort of prettied up bullshit that distros add to make things work better just fucks things up worse so i might as well try a distro that doesn't even bother won't have to wait a year for the latest gnome or w/e to be usable either
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because it has all the downsides of gentoo and arch and the other ricer distributions and none of the upsides also it's dead and starting to smell bad
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Mr Dog posted:because it has all the downsides of gentoo and arch and the other ricer distributions and none of the upsides use crux
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its like slackware and arch but WAY MORE MASOCHISTIC
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pram posted:use crux
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if i were to go that far i'd just do linux from scratch like, boot up some live usb and just start compiling and "make install"ing the advent of systemd actually makes this somewhat doable if you feel like sitting there being a human recursive dependency resolver for like a week, since systemd takes care of all the artisanal scripting you'd have to do to get a from-scratch linux off the ground but yeah i don't see the point in flashburning my ssd a whole bunch also i have better things to do with a week of my life that i will never ever get back
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MATE is literally the only worthwhile linux desktop gnome2 is basically the soviet union in that it never should have stopped being a thing and everyone who depended on it got hosed over when it vanished
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cool win95 opinions
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my stepdads beer posted:cool win95 opinions mods
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gnome 3 is seriously the only desktop worth talking about, everything else is stale terrible kitchen-sink garbage (KDE), or a lovely and unnecessary fork of gnome 3
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gnome 3 is gnome 2 with an entire version's worth of features removed
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oval office AND PASTE posted:gnome 3 is seriously the only desktop worth talking about, everything else is stale terrible kitchen-sink garbage (KDE), or a lovely and unnecessary fork of gnome 3 nah
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a window manager needs to manage your windows, not eat all your memory and give you a ui that's lovely for the same reason metro is
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i need to start an application, let me load up a screen full of gigantic icons that take five minutes to scroll through because everyone uses tablets anyway right --designers of metro, os x lion, and gnome 3
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HorseLord posted:gnome 3 is gnome 2 with an entire version's worth of features removed stick to kde okay
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my stepdads beer posted:stick to cde okay
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why do you need a windows manager period, when all your linux should ever be running is some kind of server daemon ... ??
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:i need to start an application, let me load up a screen full of gigantic icons that take five minutes to scroll through because everyone uses tablets anyway right --designers of metro, os x lion, and gnome 3 see this wouldn't be a bad thing if, like in lion, it was a thing you could just ignore because they didn't unecessarily remove anything because ~~innovation~~. fwiw my mom loves launchpad because it makes sense to her. I think I've used it once to see what it was like.
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launchpad owns tho
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:i need to start an application, let me load up a screen full of gigantic icons that take five minutes to scroll through because everyone uses tablets anyway right --designers of metro, os x lion, and gnome 3  my two finger swipin'
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hey pram did you hear wayne static died today?
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no i didnt
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Gazpacho posted:Oh they know why, these are people who fell in love with Linux as a hip hop nerd os pasted together from awk scripts until it mostly kinda works, and as that fork fedora page demonstrates the init script system was one of the hippity hoppiest parts, if that gets cleaned up where will they find an outlet for their scripting creativity
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can't break what ain't fixen
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Mr Dog posted:won't have to wait a year for the latest gnome or w/e to be usable either you could have chosen a better example there
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er, available, not usable. On Fedora you have to wait like half a year, and it sucks for the GNOME devs cuz they release something and nobody even starts using their poo poo and reports bugs in it until half way through the next version's release cycle except the Arch users that is Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:i need to start an application, let me load up a screen full of gigantic icons that take five minutes to scroll through because everyone uses tablets anyway right --designers of metro, os x lion, and gnome 3 Hit Super, start typing the application's name, then scroll around w/ arrow keys and hit enter. You know, the exact same sequence of actions you'd use to launch a program in Windows 7.
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i agree, ignore the gnome shell as much as possible
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i3 supremacy
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Mr Dog posted:er, available, not usable. On Fedora you have to wait like half a year, and it sucks for the GNOME devs cuz they release something and nobody even starts using their poo poo and reports bugs in it until half way through the next version's release cycle Fedora's release cycle was always supposed to be one month after GNOME release. Unfortunately, Anaconda hosed that up. Anaconda keeps getting worse, and even now, with two release cycles skipped to make way for the incredible, mind-bending change of "some different packages are installed by default", Fedora 21 is still blocked by Anaconda. I don't know what happened with Anaconda or Fedora 21.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Fedora's release cycle was always supposed to be one month after GNOME release. Unfortunately, Anaconda hosed that up. Anaconda keeps getting worse, and even now, with two release cycles skipped to make way for the incredible, mind-bending change of "some different packages are installed by default", Fedora 21 is still blocked by Anaconda. I thought Anaconda was their OS installer. what else does it do?
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It is. I don't know why it's consistently hard that it's always late and has OS blockers, but it does. https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/alpha/buglist https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/beta/buglist https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/final/buglist
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Suspicious Dish posted:I don't know what happened with Anaconda Suspicious Dish posted:I don't know why it's consistently hard probably  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs
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oval office AND PASTE posted:everything else is stale terrible kitchen-sink garbage (KDE) every user only uses 10% of the features. which is to say, each user cares deeply about a different 10% subset of available features. what you dismiss as a "kitchen-sink" attitude, the rest of the world sees as featureful software. p.s. this is also why microsoft excel owns bones. other spreadsheet vendors decided they could define the perfect model for spreadsheet interaction. microsoft just listened to actual living users, who liked using the app to make lists and perform business functions and do all kinds of things unforeseen by the original authors Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:Fedora's release cycle was always supposed to be one month after GNOME release. Unfortunately, Anaconda hosed that up. Anaconda keeps getting worse, and even now, with two release cycles skipped to make way for the incredible, mind-bending change of "some different packages are installed by default", Fedora 21 is still blocked by Anaconda.
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ShadowHawk posted:Ironically Ubuntu had the same idea (Gnome one month after X, Ubuntu one month after Gnome). Somehow Ubuntu has kept its cadence despite not actually using the latest Gnome releases for the LTSes. So sometimes we skip a version. And of course Unity isn't Gnome (but Ubuntu-Gnome is now a thing). they do it by shipping beta level products even by Linux standards for the sake of meeting date based versioning deadlines
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Ludwig van Halen posted:they do it by shipping beta level products even by Linux standards for the sake of meeting date based versioning deadlines LTSes will very much prefer older stable software to new poo poo though.
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ShadowHawk posted:If you're not using the LTSes this is kinda true. (anecdote may be inaccurate because gently caress looking up the details)
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Soricidus posted:(anecdote may be inaccurate because gently caress looking up the details) because that may require consulting ubuntu forums and lol at that loving prospect
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