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Soricidus posted:it's literally true. it's the reason I stopped using ubuntu years ago, after they deliberately shipped broken video drivers because the alternative was either delaying the release slightly or leaving out some other feature that required the new broken beta drivers.
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ShadowHawk posted:this also sounds like the reason why "wait a month before upgrading" is generally advised. this defeats the purpose of having a "release"
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ShadowHawk posted:this also sounds like the reason why "wait a month before upgrading" is generally advised. wait so why cannot canonical just wait another month to get it right? or is gathering user feedback on what poo poo you guys broke part of the actual process
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this defeats the purpose of having a "release" nannerpus_ posted:wait so why cannot canonical just wait another month to get it right? or is gathering user feedback on what poo poo you guys broke part of the actual process
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6.06 was the last good ubuntu release simply for not shipping in april all for the sake of being 6.04  now they gotta shove another half baked release out the door every april/october 1st because
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i download the lts ubuntus and they are need suiting
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long term sucking
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pram posted:long term sucking
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pram posted:long term sucking nutted, but
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Ludwig van Halen posted:6.06 was the last good ubuntu release simply for not shipping in april all for the sake of being 6.04
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Mr Dog posted:Hit Super, start typing the application's name, then scroll around w/ arrow keys and hit enter. I'm the key nobody has on their keyboards don't get me wrong, I love me a lisp machine, but "super"?
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eschaton posted:I'm the key nobody has on their keyboards It's the windows key. Put an ubuntu sticker on it like I did if you wanna be 
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eschaton posted:I'm the key nobody has on their keyboards ?
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ShadowHawk posted:It's the windows key. if you put an Ubuntu sticker you'd have to call it "subpar"
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if you put an Ubuntu sticker you'd have to call it "subpar" 
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if you put an Ubuntu sticker you'd have to call it "subpar"
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I have a sun keyboard with separate alt and meta keys. it's basically impossible to get linux to recognise them though because some fucker broke xmodmap and the "replacement", xkbset, is cadt bullshit and only supports a handful of predetermined configurations i expect it's theoretically possible to add more but lol if you think anything written since 1994 is ever going to be adequately documented so linux calls the meta key super now and it annoys the gently caress out of me for a few minutes every time I notice and then I get over it
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just reinstalled fedora and wow the installer is trash edit: wayland work well nice one suspicious dish. mouse acceleration is subtly different at low speeds and my back/forward buttons are not working though. cowboy beepboop fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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poo poo like that is why I use an ancient linux. A lot less breakage when you need to spend your time actually working rather than janitoring your hobbyist garbage.
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my stepdads beer posted:just reinstalled fedora and wow the installer is trash I'll take a look at the back/forward buttons. What apps were you testing with? And were they Xwayland or Wayland apps?
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'll take a look at the back/forward buttons. What apps were you testing with? And were they Xwayland or Wayland apps? Firefox, so I assume XWayland?
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ZShakespeare posted:poo poo like that is why I use an ancient linux. A lot less breakage when you need to spend your time actually working rather than janitoring your hobbyist garbage. it's an option when you log in it's not like it's permabroken. it's intended to be tested.
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Soricidus posted:I have a sun keyboard with separate alt and meta keys. it's basically impossible to get linux to recognise them though because some fucker broke xmodmap and the "replacement", xkbset, is cadt bullshit and only supports a handful of predetermined configurations i stopped using a sun several years ago, but from my rusty memory and the contents of /usr/share/X11/xkb, i think you need a magic incantation like this: code:
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Geometry support was all but binned from XKB because it was a horrible idea.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in theory this should work but they stopped selling Sun systems/keyboards/whatever in 2005. nobody can stop bitrot in Xorg stuff it was good e: also pretty sure the type 7 was almost identical to the type 6 usb, from the point of view of the os, and they only discontinued that model about a year ago. Soricidus fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Soricidus posted:that's why xmodmap was nice: i didn't need to rely on someone janitoring a huge tree containing hundreds of inscrutable config files for every type of hardware ever. if a key was doing the wrong thing, i could just xev to find out what was doing what and then write a simple file that would change things around as required. 5 minutes work, using a single flat file format clearly documented in the utility's manpage, requiring no special permissions, and touching nothing outside my home directory. ah yes, push the responsibility on the user to janitor it for themselves the unix philosophy
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no. the central configuration was always there. what xmodmap did was to empower the user to fix things themselves if they wanted to.
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so you deliberately set your keyboard map wrong, then corrected the manifold defects with ~/.Xmodmap ? i am pretty sure that is not how it was ever intended to work. edit: and xkb isn't centralized, the central config depot is optional Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Sure, it's technically configurable but I think most everybody expects the evdev/pc105 rules to be there.
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what's wrong with xmodmap, i just use it for os x scrolling
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Gazpacho posted:not everyone has the patience to dive through 20 layers of keyboard input processing to find the one that breaks poo poo only the elect few who do can savour the miracle of lunix
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Suspicious Dish posted:Sure, it's technically configurable but I think most everybody expects the evdev/pc105 rules to be there. so you're saying gnome 3 drops support for any non-windows keyboard? because kde and xfce both work just fine on a sun w/ sun keyboard
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theadder posted:only the elect few who do can savour the miracle of lunix lol
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Soricidus posted:that's why xmodmap was nice: i didn't need to rely on someone janitoring a huge tree containing hundreds of inscrutable config files for every type of hardware ever. if a key was doing the wrong thing, i could just xev to find out what was doing what and then write a simple file that would change things around as required. 5 minutes work, using a single flat file format clearly documented in the utility's manpage, requiring no special permissions, and touching nothing outside my home directory. sun type 4 supremacy also, isn't systemd going to handle input device routing and mapping in the future?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all post-1990 sun keyboards are and were really bad L1-A gave me all the feedback I needed I wonder if anyone's written an SS1 emulator
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