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Sax Offender
Sep 9, 2007



College Slice

psydude posted:

I wonder if it would make more sense to fold the VA healthcare into the existing ACA/medicaid programs that seem to have a better (but far from perfect) track record and a wider geographic coverage area.

The massive disability evaluation apparatus would probably be a big hurdle. Also, Tricare et al typically pay worse than Medicare, and thus many practices avoid or limit the amount of patients they take, similar to Medicaid.

Besides that, would you want a bunch of unkempt vets in your hospital with the accompanying stench of booze, cigarettes, and self-loathing?

Edit: there's some 4g...

Sax Offender fucked around with this message at 16:35 on May 21, 2014

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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES


Genocide Tendency posted:

Shouted down every fuckin time.

You do realize you can have UHC at the insurance level, right?

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010


DoktorLoken posted:

The difference there is the VA is an entirely government owned and run healthcare provider while Medicare/ACA stuff deal with the insurance side of the deal. I'm all for universal government run health insurance while keeping the providers, hospitals, clinics, whatever as private entities.

This may be outside the scope of this thread, but I don't really agree with that; I can afford my own health insurance, and I don't see why other people should have pay for it for me. Maybe for people who can't afford it, sure. Although it's probably a better idea not to have the insurance be government-run, but rather to just give people vouchers to get their own in that case.

Casimir Radon
Aug 1, 2008




Mortabis posted:

This may be outside the scope of this thread, but I don't really agree with that; I can afford my own health insurance, and I don't see why other people should have pay for it for me. Maybe for people who can't afford it, sure.
You are correct. The opinions of dipshit libertarians who couldn't hack it in ROTC are indeed outside the scope of this thread.

NIGGER DEATH TURBO
Jul 4, 2013

by Lowtax


Casimir Radon posted:

You are correct. The opinions of dipshit libertarians who couldn't hack it in ROTC are indeed outside the scope of this thread.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010


Well good thing I'm a) not a libertarian and b) was able to hack it in ROTC, then.

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.




Accretionist posted:

You do realize you can have UHC at the insurance level, right?

Perhaps we are hearing different stories about ACA.

Because from what I have read/heard about, its been a loving disaster from go. Which is exactly what we should expect from the federal government when it comes to social programs.

Or is our stellar public education system a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar management of social security funding a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar economic recovery plan a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar....

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Because the free market sure has taken care of everyone! Government interference has only been a disaster. I mean, without the PPACA, my step father would still have no insurance because of a pre-existing condition and likely dead now because his pancreas that he had removed the moment his insurance kicked in would have killed him.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


Its almost like expecting insurance companies and medical groups to self-regulate and bring down prices was a bad idea

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES



I don't blame government for that poo poo. I blame Neoliberalism. You can turn piles of money into government corruption and government failure by playing the long game and funding the appropriate university departments, creating neoliberal think tanks, pushing neoliberal policy, etc. A number of politically active would-be-oligarchs started pushing that poo poo hard back in the 70s and stayed with it ever since. I mean, this didn't happen all on its own:


(This kills the middle class)

BTW, the Three Ds of Neoliberal Economic Doctrine are:
  • Defeat Government (e.g. deregulate nearly everything, socialize corporate losses)
  • Dismantle labor (e.g. smash the unions, legislatively salt the earth)
  • Depend on markets (e.g. privatize nearly everything, cronyism)

All that poo poo's part of the same thing: (economic) Neoliberalism (not to be confused with Neoliberalism from International Relations).

It pretty much cuts a straight path for the US to post-soviet Russia-like conditions. I am 100% certain that the US will be more than half-way there by the time I die.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene


Genocide Tendency posted:

Perhaps we are hearing different stories about ACA.

Because from what I have read/heard about, its been a loving disaster from go. Which is exactly what we should expect from the federal government when it comes to social programs.

Or is our stellar public education system a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar management of social security funding a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar economic recovery plan a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar....
I have dental insurance now for hell a cheap and got a checkup I never would have. Thanks for the cavity, obama

Mortabis posted:

Well good thing I'm a) not a libertarian and b) was able to hack it in ROTC, then.

A true god amongst men

Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 21, 2014

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





Genocide Tendency posted:

Perhaps we are hearing different stories about ACA.

Because from what I have read/heard about, its been a loving disaster from go. Which is exactly what we should expect from the federal government when it comes to social programs.

Or is our stellar public education system a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar management of social security funding a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar economic recovery plan a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar....

No.

NIGGER DEATH TURBO
Jul 4, 2013

by Lowtax


Genocide Tendency posted:

Perhaps we are hearing different stories about ACA.

Because from what I have read/heard about, its been a loving disaster from go. Which is exactly what we should expect from the federal government when it comes to social programs.

Or is our stellar public education system a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar management of social security funding a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar economic recovery plan a solid example of how I am wrong here.

Or is our stellar....

so what's the ~free market~ solution to everything

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q

friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:

so what's the ~free market~ solution to everything

nuke the earth

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth

but my consumer base

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010



Nap Ghost

krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004


Fun Shoe

krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the whole loving earth

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed




Grimey Drawer

krispykremessuck posted:

gently caress the earth's hole

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003



College Slice

The VA clusterfuck is a purposeful outcome. Underfund a government program as much as possible then when the program predictably goes to poo poo point out how terrible government anything is and defund it more. Almost like there's an entire political movement dedicated to the idea of cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES


SumYungGui posted:

The VA clusterfuck is a purposeful outcome. Underfund a government program as much as possible then when the program predictably goes to poo poo point out how terrible government anything is and defund it more.

That's literally why Grover Norquist-types come out alongside TurboTax lobbyists to fight anyone attempting to unfuck tax filing

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth and gently caress the hole

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q

orange juche posted:

krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth and gently caress the hole

genderstomper58
Jan 9, 2005

by XyloJW


Haha maybe I'm like a patriotic human being or whatever but the 9/11 museum seems all sorts of messed up. It costs 24 bucks to visit, has a gift shop where you can buy overpriced poo poo like 9/11 mugs and scarves, and they held a VIP party last night inside the museum which also contains over 1,000 people's remains(I don't know why they put them there tbh tho)

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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genderstomper58 posted:

Haha maybe I'm like a patriotic human being or whatever but the 9/11 museum seems all sorts of messed up. It costs 24 bucks to visit, has a gift shop where you can buy overpriced poo poo like 9/11 mugs and scarves, and they held a VIP party last night inside the museum which also contains over 1,000 people's remains(I don't know why they put them there tbh tho)

A tribute to capitalism and decadence seems like a pretty appropriate gently caress you to al qaeda imo

genderstomper58
Jan 9, 2005

by XyloJW


Fojar38 posted:

A tribute to capitalism and decadence seems like a pretty appropriate gently caress you to al qaeda imo

hmmery

figured id get accused of fox newsery or somethin but never thought of this angle~

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003



posting about some old-school spycraft but still valid.
Saw this book at a used book store today.




Decryptions of Soviet spy ring cryptographs commonly known as Venona have been released to the public for a while now.
If you don't understand any of this, go back to school.

The book's http link to the NSA is outdated, but here's a updated link.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_includes/venona_menu.shtml

also: i love these cryptographic series republications. it's sad that aegean park press dropped off the internet.

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.




friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:

so what's the ~free market~ solution to everything

leaving it to free market manages to be worse.

To truly fix it you have to start with banning lobby groups and campaign donations connected to medical companies. Then you have to strictly regulate both medical care costs and insurance.

Which is a pipe dream given the current state we are in.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


krispykremessuck posted:

nuke the earth

gently caress that

i dont want life to be wiped out by nukes

i want some natural poo poo like a meteor to wreck humanity's poo poo

something that really points out that people are loving worthless garbage that cant even wipe ourselves out

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

gently caress that

i dont want life to be wiped out by nukes

i want some natural poo poo like a meteor to wreck humanity's poo poo

something that really points out that people are loving worthless garbage that cant even wipe ourselves out

The time for that seems to have passed since we're pretty confident we could deflect an asteroid now.

It should've taken the shot back in like 1800.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


Fojar38 posted:

The time for that seems to have passed since we're pretty confident we could deflect an asteroid now.

id like to see em try

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011




Pork Pro

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

id like to see em try

Ben Affleck already stopped the last one

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

Booblord Zagats posted:

Ben Affleck already stopped the last one

Pretty sure that was Steven Tyler. The asteroid heard that song and figured it would go check out Venus.

E: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_0UXRY_rY

Mods please embed this song on every thread so we can do our parts for humanity and kill ourselves sooner.

goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 02:31 on May 22, 2014

genderstomper58
Jan 9, 2005

by XyloJW


bitcoin bastard posted:

Pretty sure that was Steven Tyler. The asteroid heard that song and figured it would go check out Venus.

shoulda went with the uranus joke here

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011




Pork Pro

genderstomper58 posted:

shoulda went with the uranus joke here

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

genderstomper58 posted:

shoulda went with the uranus joke here

ffffffffffffff

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

gently caress that

i dont want life to be wiped out by nukes

i want some natural poo poo like a meteor to wreck humanity's poo poo

something that really points out that people are loving worthless garbage that cant even wipe ourselves out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWbpFz3wac

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

id like to see em try

It's actually not that hard since all you have to do is nudge it a few inches and it'll miss by longshot.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011


Good thing we're de-funding NASA and their near earth object tracking program.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus


Dead Reckoning posted:

Good thing we're de-funding NASA and their near earth object tracking program.

What are we going to do? Launch nukes at astroids? We are hosed regardless.

Thank the gods.

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Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dead Reckoning posted:

Good thing we're de-funding NASA and their near earth object tracking program.

I'm sure the Russians and Chinese can pahahahahaha

Sorry couldn't finish.

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