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Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010



So according to this article the Iraqi government forces dropped paratroopers on Tikrit university? Seems pretty hardcore.

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Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 4008 days!


Syncopated posted:

So according to this article the Iraqi government forces dropped paratroopers on Tikrit university? Seems pretty hardcore.

Should have done the same thing to the entire University of California system during OWS.

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


That NYT military healthcare expose.. :stare:

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010


If this isn't opsec: The advisers in Iraq atm, are they SF, or what?

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx


College Slice

Snowdens Secret posted:

The point of the deal isn't to get the planes, it's to kiss up to the Russians.

E: The knock-on effect in the Middle East of kissing up to Russians is to show you're not an American lackey, which as stated before is a key survival technique

I thought that was what selling secrets to Red China was for.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


Jonad posted:

I thought that was what selling secrets to Red China was for.

Selling secrets gets you surprisingly little street cred. I mean, c'mon, that's the kind of thing an Israeli would do

Syncopated posted:

If this isn't opsec: The advisers in Iraq atm, are they SF, or what?

At least officially, yes, and this is at least in part because politically sending in SF somehow is different and less 'boots on the ground' than using regular shmoes. See all the SF running around Central Africa, and this is also why SF has gotten relatively enormous over the past decade or so, as they get used for everything more demanding than IED sweeps and gate guarding.

If you're asking who's actually over there / who's heading that way, I don't know and beyond internet search don't know how to find out

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

Please look at this photo every time you support or defend war crimes. Thank you.


Obama Africanus posted:

That NYT military healthcare expose.. :stare:

The best part of that is it only covered inpatient care, it didn't even touch the absolutely abysmally bad outpatient care happening at the aid station level.

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


I bet m0t knows. He's probably been read on and re-poly'd. He's distributing zero day rickroll malware in ISIS's budgeting and accounting computers. He'll tell you all about it when the virginia class he's hacking the World Cup from comes up for air and to download the 300+ erotic emails sent by IDR to that retards official .blackops.mil.readon.CIS e-mail.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

I'm too dumb to get probated


What happens if you're active duty and purchase private health care, don't use the VA? It sounds magnificently hosed up as a system, how would they know you got competent and timely care, what repercussions could there be? I guess the premiums would be way more than most people could afford after their spousal/child support/sick Dodge with a Hemi at 19% payments

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


maffew buildings posted:

What happens if you're active duty and purchase private health care, don't use the VA? It sounds magnificently hosed up as a system, how would they know you got competent and timely care, what repercussions could there be? I guess the premiums would be way more than most people could afford after their spousal/child support/sick Dodge with a Hemi at 19% payments

You have to use TRICARE by law. Your command doesn't ever have to give you the time to utilize private healthcare, ever, unless it's being sought through TRICARE / Your military medical providers.

I know of a guy getting VA care for mental health stuff on active duty, so his active duty people don't find out. It's a weird he's been on active duty for like 6 years thing but he's not active duty yadda yadda he's in the reserves or some poo poo. Anyway, dude developed a real problem with incest porn addiction, and instead of losing his job by going to the mil he went to the VA to get help when his wife made him lol.

He don't got no kids so I'm thinking he's just weird. Or whatever. So he goes to the VA on like alternating evenings to get group therapy for sexual counseling or some poo poo lol. I get all this second hand but it's funny as gently caress.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

I'm too dumb to get probated


How do we get you in front of Congress

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?


Nobody gives a poo poo about the troops in any meaningful way, so it ain't happening.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008



The gently caress is wrong with incest porn addiction

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



I think we're trailing a bit off. Let's steer this thread back towards current events and not incest porn.














VVVVVVVVVVV oh poo poo buttplug is gonna get triggered hard. In seriousness, that is loving hilarious and good for the kurds if they can finally get their own piece of land after all this poo poo is said and done.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jun 29, 2014

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

What, Me Worry?


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/28/world/meast/iraq-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

:lol:

Whip Slagcheek
Sep 21, 2008

Finally
The Gasoline And Dynamite
Will Light The Sky
For The Night




There's rumblings that Turkey is open to the idea of a Kurdistan on their border and they've grown increasingly closer to Barzani and Co. so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007



I wonder if they'd make the kurds move out of the region they occupy in Turkey for that to happen. Either way it's nice that the Kurds aren't being poo poo on for once

LongDarkNight
Oct 25, 2010

It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.

Oven Wrangler

A buffer between Turkey and the poo poo storm that will be Iraq probably has it's appeal. Maybe they get a client state out of the deal.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx


College Slice

Bolow posted:

I wonder if they'd make the kurds move out of the region they occupy in Turkey for that to happen. Either way it's nice that the Kurds aren't being poo poo on for once

The idea may be that the really nationalist Kurds will go voluntarily and the ones that don't give a poo poo will stay in Turkey. But who the gently caress even knows what Erdogan is thinking at this point, the man probably thinks he's the reincarnation of Suleiman I at this point.

In other news, the ISF has launched a counter-offensive to recapture Tikrit. Both sides have claimed victory.

E: Looks like they fell short of the town itself but at least managed to put up a fight. Also apparently the ISF airlifted special forces to Baiji and have recaptured the immediate facility, although they remain completely surrounded by ISIS and friends.

Constant Hamprince fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jun 29, 2014

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010



Nap Ghost

LongDarkNight posted:

A buffer between Turkey and the poo poo storm that will be Iraq probably has it's appeal. Maybe they get a client state out of the deal.

That, and part of their Kurdish problem will relocate itself across the border.

Jonad posted:

E: Looks like they fell short of the town itself but at least managed to put up a fight. Also apparently the ISF airlifted special forces to Baiji and have recaptured the immediate facility, although they remain completely surrounded by ISIS and friends.

Things like this are why I'm pretty sure we're going to end up running airstrikes into Iraq sooner rather than later.

Whip Slagcheek
Sep 21, 2008

Finally
The Gasoline And Dynamite
Will Light The Sky
For The Night




So delivery of their F-16's were taking too long, so they decide to switch to a completely different platform? :lol:

Hope you paid for some old Soviet mercenaries to fly them for you as well.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Malaki is just setting up his exit strategy. He's going to allow Russian corporations/mercenaries free reign in Iraq and will quietly disappear to some part of the Russian federation when it all falls apart.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





@Charles_Lister: ISIS' chief spokesman Abu Mohammed al-Adnani has announced the ‘restoration of the caliphate’ w. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as Emir al-Muminin.

So...

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Good. Let the people over there loving deal with it.

I can't wait to hear how this is Obama's fault in the morning.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon


As long as we stop them before they sack Constantinople this time around.

Ultimate Shrek Fan
May 2, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Obligatory that's nobody's business but the Turks joke

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Crosspost from the D&D Middle East thread:

Here's the relevant part of the Islamic State's English press release:

quote:

Therefore, the shūrā (consultation) council of the Islamic State studied this matter after the Islamic State
– by Allah’s grace – gained the essentials necessary for khilāfah, which the Muslims are sinful for if they
do not try to establish. In light of the fact that the Islamic State has no shar’ī (legal) constraint or excuse
that can justify delaying or neglecting the establishment of the khilāfah such that it would not be sinful,
the Islamic State – represented by ahlul-halli-wal-‘aqd (its people of authority), consisting of its senior
figures, leaders, and the shūrā council – resolved to announce the establishment of the Islamic khilāfah,
the appointment of a khalīfah for the Muslims, and the pledge of allegiance to the shaykh (sheikh), the
mujāhid, the scholar who practices what he preaches, the worshipper, the leader, the warrior, the reviver,
descendent from the family of the Prophet, the slave of Allah, Ibrāhīm Ibn ‘Awwād Ibn Ibrāhīm Ibn ‘Alī
Ibn Muhammad al-Badrī al-Hāshimī al-Husaynī al-Qurashī by lineage, as-Sāmurrā’ī by birth and
upbringing, al-Baghdādī by residence and scholarship. And he has accepted the bay’ah (pledge of
allegiance). Thus, he is the imam and khalīfah for the Muslims everywhere. Accordingly, the “Iraq and
Shām” in the name of the Islamic State is henceforth removed from all official deliberations and
communications, and the official name is the Islamic State from the date of this declaration.

We clarify to the Muslims that with this declaration of khilāfah, it is incumbent upon all Muslims to pledge
allegiance to the khalīfah Ibrāhīm and support him (may Allah preserve him). The legality of all emirates,
groups, states, and organizations, becomes null by the expansion of the khilāfah’s authority and arrival of
its troops to their areas. Imam Ahmad (may Allah have mercy upon him) said, as reported by ‘Abdūs Ibn
Mālik al-‘Attār, “It is not permissible for anyone who believes in Allah to sleep without considering as
his leader whoever conquers them by the sword until he becomes khalīfah and is called Amīrul-Mu’minīn
(the leader of the believers), whether this leader is righteous or sinful.”

For the TLDR crowd:

1. ISIS' shura council believes that the legal conditions regarding the establishment of a Caliphate have been met.
2. "Ibrāhīm Ibn ‘Awwād Ibn Ibrāhīm Ibn ‘Alī Ibn Muhammad al-Badrī al-Hāshimī al-Husaynī al-Qurashī" is the name of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, who is now the leader of the Ummah (global community of Muslims, particularly the Sunnis.)
3. All Muslims are required to pledge bay'ah (allegiance) to him.
4. ISIS has dropped the last "IS" from its name- it's now just the Islamic State.

This is Serious Business, and it's really going to be interesting to see how all of the other jihadist groups (i.e. Al-Qaeda Central, AQAP, JN, etc) react to this. Baghdadi et al just threw down the gauntlet, let's see who picks it up.

Edit: Another relevant bit-

quote:

As for you, O soldiers of the platoons and organizations, know that after this consolidation and the
establishment of the khilāfah, the legality of your groups and organizations has become invalid. It is not
permissible for a single person of you who believes in Allah to sleep without having walā’ (loyalty) to the
khalīfah. If your leaders whisper to you claiming it is not a khilāfah, then remember how long they
whispered to you claiming that it was not a state but rather a fictional, cardboard entity, until its certain
news reached you. It is a state. Its news will continue to reach you showing that it is a khilāfah, even if
after time.

IS also just declared that every other jihadist group is now beholden to them.

pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jun 29, 2014

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

Vengarr posted:

As long as we stop them before they sack Constantinople this time around.

Only if they get there before the Italians do.

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT

gently caress YEAH! HOLY WAR! Time to sew a crucifix onto all my shirts.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

What, Me Worry?


Time to sack Jerusalem again.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


so vas has been learning to play a pipe in leiu of posting? makes sense

Sax Offender
Sep 9, 2007



College Slice

gleep gloop posted:

gently caress YEAH! HOLY WAR! Time to sew a crucifix onto all my shirts.

No! You see, Islam is a religion of peace and this is just a strange extreme event, not at all like the very founding and continuous history of Muslims until someone beats them back from their border.


Bring back Ferdinand and Isabella Charles Martel.

Sax Offender fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 29, 2014

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


Derek Dominoe posted:

Bring back Ferdinand and Isabella.

Please don't

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT


Lol

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Godholio posted:

Nobody gives a poo poo about the troops in any meaningful way, so it ain't happening.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Hey if you want to make a freedom omelet you gotta be willing to break a few Zweigs.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

:thunk:
Have you considered not attending the Captain's Career Course?
:thunk:


Will be pretty funny if this new Caliph gets bombed by a drone, then what would they do?

Courthouse
Jul 23, 2013


Whip Slagcheek posted:

There's rumblings that Turkey is open to the idea of a Kurdistan

:vince:


But seriously, someone probably looked at a map ane realized there's a lot of kurds between the turks and arabs/persians. So a Kurdistan between them and Syria/Iraq The Capiphate II; Genocide Bogaloo could make sense. Also, I like the Kurds. So good for them. :unsmith:

E: Bibi to the rescue :jewish:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.601997

quote:

For the TLDR crowd:

1. ISIS' shura council believes that the legal conditions regarding the establishment of a Caliphate have been met.


Out of curiosity, what would these "legal conditions" be?

Courthouse fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jun 29, 2014

LongDarkNight
Oct 25, 2010

It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.

Oven Wrangler

All purchases of new Caliphates come with complimentary drone strikes.

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Bolow
Feb 27, 2007



Courthouse posted:

:vince:


But seriously, someone probably looked at a map ane realized there's a lot of kurds between the turks and arabs/persians. So a Kurdistan between them and Syria/Iraq The Capiphate II; Genocide Bogaloo could make sense. Also, I like the Kurds. So good for them. :unsmith:


Out of curiosity, what would these "legal conditions" be?

You have to hold 3 of 5 provinces, have gavelkind succession and pay 250 gold

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