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Whip Slagcheek
Sep 21, 2008

Finally
The Gasoline And Dynamite
Will Light The Sky
For The Night




Hmmm if only we could vet some moderate Sunnis that we could convince to rise up against the insurgents. An awakening if you will.

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Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.


Could ISIS last as a country for longer than a nano-second?

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004


Fun Shoe

How are they not a country?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





Baloogan posted:

How are they not a country?

They're a country in the same way Kurdistan is a country. Neither are recognized internationally by the folks who write the maps. I could declare a piece of property I own a country, but it wouldn't make it so.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004


Fun Shoe

yeah but they got 10000 angry arabs in technicals that you don't

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004


Fun Shoe

And a legal system of chopping arms off and poo poo; and they are enforcing it

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010


orange juche posted:

They're a country in the same way Kurdistan is a country. Neither are recognized internationally by the folks who write the maps. I could declare a piece of property I own a country, but it wouldn't make it so.

Kurdistan is a lot more of a country than the ISIS controlled parts are tbh.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





Syncopated posted:

Kurdistan is a lot more of a country than the ISIS controlled parts are tbh.

Kurdistan is a country like the various phases of Poland being a country, better?

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.




Best Friends posted:

Some dude is already "just asking questions" to this effect in the D and D middle east thread. Not so much as for the motive but just in a "a thing happened, therefore America and Israel are behind it" sense.

This is my favorite thing.

The same dudes who can't pave a road or cheat on their wife without getting caught have managed to get a bunch of rag heads who have hated each other for roughly 2000 years to not only play nice with each other but join what they perceive as the greatest evil ever in a united goal.

I wonder if they even think about this stuff before they post it.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010


Nap Ghost

Snowdens Secret posted:

Ahem, I believe you mean Russia would have been deterred by the threat of NATO A.V commitment and would've never advanced

I'm being sarcastic, I think a mutual defense pact that includes every Tom Dick and Jeorgi in the northwestern hemisphere is a stupid idea too, but 'uhhhh Article V' is pretty much the sole reason lots of wonks have given for why Putin didn't continue to head west this Spring.

If he'd kicked over Ukraine's government and put Yanukovych back in charge with some bully-boys to crack skulls and shoot protesters the consequences probably wouldn't have been too dire. We'd have stolen as much of his and his pals' money as we could find and get our hands on, and economic sanctions would've been stiffer than the limp dick that we slapped him with after Crimea, but he'd have survived it. Going further, either into the Baltics or Poland, would've meant war.

Courthouse
Jul 23, 2013


Speaking or Ukraine, the new defense minister comes in swinging his brass balls like churchbells on easter.


BBC posted:

New Ukrainian Defence Minister Valeriy Heletey has promised that the army would retake Crimea, restoring the country's territorial integrity.

Addressing parliament in Kiev, he said: "There will be a victory parade... in Ukraine's Sevastopol."



I he just dumb, or has someone else been dumb enough to promise Kiev something we will never keep?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





Courthouse posted:

Speaking or Ukraine, the new defense minister comes in swinging his brass balls like churchbells on easter.




I he just dumb, or has someone else been dumb enough to promise Kiev something we will never keep?

He's just trying to impress politicians, there's no way in hell Ukraine is getting Crimea back before hell freezes over. If they attempt to retake Crimea, Russia will pour across the eastern border and Ukraine would have some serious issues regarding it's existence as a country.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.


Oops. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28160767

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001



You don't post enough anymore man.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.


Obama Africanus posted:

You don't post enough anymore man.

I've been too busy learning captainy things, and I can't surf SA in the schoolhouse buddy :( .

I've been lurking to keep an eye on my GiP Bros though. This thread and the Iraq thread have been pretty good tbh. I felt I needed to contribute.

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->



pfffffflol

The BBC's Steve Evans in Berlin says the new allegation of American spying on an ally may make it harder for the US to get German help in its efforts to oppose Russian activity in Ukraine, and also to control Iranian nuclear ambitions.

"Mm yes if these allegations are true we just might not oppose the authoritarian nuclear power that just annexed the territory of an EU ally."

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?


I think my eyes rolled audibly at that part. Yeah, Germany is TOTALLY going to side with USSR2.0 instead of America.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.


Well I mean it worked out pretty well for them in 1939.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.


and then Germany's all WILDCARD and forges a military alliance with zaire

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.




ManMythLegend posted:

Well I mean it worked out pretty well for them in 1939.

Until Hitler thought vacationing in Leningrad at the start of winter was a good idea.

Kaliber
Jun 16, 2005



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/w...&pgtype=article


drat, that kid got an rear end whooping.

Untagged
Mar 29, 2004

Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?



One of the articles mentions the parents saying they were going to sue the police over the use of "excessive force". I'm not entirely sure that's a thing you can sue for in isreal. Pretty sure your name just gets added to a list somewhere for reporting purposes. People get so used to the American system of things that when they go to other countries they don't know wtf.

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


I'm irredeemably Jewish and all, but if the Israeli government is cracking U.S. teenage skulls, even muzzie ones, then that is no es bueno for me. I'm taking this American empire thinking to the logical end point that citizenship ensures the wrath of the nation will fall on your oppressors should you ever be molested from walking your righteous American path of freedom through whatever land of foreign savagery.

My foreign policy objectives are very Old Testament however, I'll admit.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

:thunk:
Have you considered not attending the Captain's Career Course?
:thunk:


Didn't the Romans send in the legions if their citizens were hosed with? I'd be down with that.

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


Mustang posted:

Didn't the Romans send in the legions if their citizens were hosed with? I'd be down with that.

This guy. This guy gets it.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


If the US had to actually do anything every time some dumb tourist kid got clonked by the gendarmerie we'd never have the time for anything else. Same if we had to deal with every dumb foreign kid who does the same here.

~~swooshes Star of David cape, flies off in the Matzohmobile~~

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.




My only issue with laying waist to Israel over this is consistency. We don't get uppity with any other country that has its Gestapo rough up a kid or two.

Besides we have so many other reasons to gently caress them up.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.


I have precisely zero sympathy for Americans who go to bad places and do risky/stupid things while there.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


Snowdens Secret posted:

If the US had to actually do anything every time some dumb tourist kid got clonked by the gendarmerie we'd never have the time for anything else. Same if we had to deal with every dumb foreign kid who does the same here.

~~swooshes Star of David cape, flies off in the Matzohmobile~~

pretty sure after the first dozen or so tomahawk strikes, other countries jackbooted thugs would think twice before loving with american tourists

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


ManMythLegend posted:

I have precisely zero sympathy for Americans who go to bad places and do risky/stupid things while there.

Of course not, but look we need a premise, ok? These gulfs don't Tonkin themselves.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.


Obama Africanus posted:

These gulfs don't Tonkin themselves.

I love this phrase, and I think I love you.

Courthouse
Jul 23, 2013


In Ukraine it looks like we are seeing the final battles. Separatists have been forced to retreat from Slovjansk, Kramatorsk, Druzjkivka and Kostiantynivka. Donetsk and Luhansk are now the only remaining cities of any relevance held. Ukrainian defense minister readying the champagne bottles, separatists busy comparing themselves to the russians abandoning moscow to the french, Russian media filled with reports of supposed Ukrainian war crimes.

Snowdens Secret posted:

If the US had to actually do anything every time some dumb tourist kid got clonked by the gendarmerie we'd never have the time for anything else. Same if we had to deal with every dumb foreign kid who does the same here.

The difference being if the US has been spending some time trying to tell the gendarmerie to pretty plese stop cracking the skulls of local kids, and all of a sudden you get this nice excuse for being all outraged and putting actual pressure on them. The question being, of course, whether the kid is sufficiently white to count as american.

Courthouse fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jul 7, 2014

Sax Offender
Sep 9, 2007



College Slice

Courthouse posted:

The question being, of course, whether the kid is sufficiently white to count as american.

Let's see...



Brown like a terrorist, but posing like an American douche. The call could go either way. Let's see how the Israelis play this one...

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


Derek Dominoe posted:

Let's see...



Brown like a terrorist, but posing like an American douche. The call could go either way. Let's see how the Israelis play this one...



got what he deserved imho

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

:thunk:
Have you considered not attending the Captain's Career Course?
:thunk:


He's from Tampa which is all around a weird place. I know two girls that describe themselves as "Southern Girls" as well as their ethnic identity, Indian and Palestinian respectively.

I'm not sure how but Tampa turns brown people(and northerners) into rednecks. Tons of Hispanic rednecks here.

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed




Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otKxEWKjWRo

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Invading Israel would be a step up from our previous two escapades in Western Asia. It'd probably come with less diarrhea, too.

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007



The women are way hotter too

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

:thunk:
Have you considered not attending the Captain's Career Course?
:thunk:


We should invade Iran and liberate all the hot Persian chicks from the hijab



And if Iranian Americans are any indicator they're a pretty irreligious bunch and way more open to western lifestyles than anyone else in the region.

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OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


You don't want to get with any Jewish women no matter how hot they are, bro. Just loving trust me on this. If history and/or what you call the Old Testament is even 1% truth, those bitches ground down the stone cold killer bad rear end sons of Abraham Hebrews into wheezy liver spotted colitis patients before age 29. Their pussies literally turned the baddest motherfuckers to ever GTFO of Africa into motherfucking Woody Allen, man.

Run as far and as fast as you loving can, you'll thank me later in life, man.

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