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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008


Is it possible to fix the Iraqi army? Why do the insurgents always seem so driven where the iraqi army always seems like they don't give a gently caress

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Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009


ArbitraryTA posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

Welp. I think any vestiges of good will the world could have for Israel just got pissed out all over the ground.

i still appreciate the sons of solomon bringing the sword to a bunch of filthy muzzies

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus


Reverand maynard posted:

Is it possible to fix the Iraqi army? Why do the insurgents always seem so driven where the iraqi army always seems like they don't give a gently caress

because the insurgents are driven by ideology and the army dudes just want a paycheck since they can't get any other work.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx


College Slice

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

i still appreciate the sons of solomon bringing the sword to a bunch of filthy muzzies

Have we gotten a final verdict from the Sanhedrin as to the exchange rate on Mohammedans versus weedy-looking torah students?

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007



ArbitraryTA posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

Welp. I think any vestiges of good will the world could have for Israel just got pissed out all over the ground.

Haha if you think this changes a loving thing you're out of your goddamn mind

Lazy Reservist
Nov 30, 2005

FUBIJAR

ded posted:

because the insurgents are driven by ideology and the army dudes just want a paycheck since they can't get any other work.

Spot on. Most of the Iraqi Army likely joined just to get enough money to feed themselves and their families. They probably didn't give two shits about the politicians in Baghdad, and even less about Iraqis in other parts of the country. ISIS on the other hand is using every cent they steal to provide basic needs that the Iraqi government can't or won't. This gets the average man on the street to support them, at least for now. ISIS's ideology is both its strength and weakness. It will use it to drive like minded people to join the cause, however average Iraqis who don't want to live under Sharia will only put up with it for so long. Of course these people are used to having thugs putting the boots to them medium style, so they may just roll over and take it.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


ArbitraryTA posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

Welp. I think any vestiges of good will the world could have for Israel just got pissed out all over the ground.

This is going to make about as much of a difference in public opinion as the revelation that there were no WMDs in Iraq.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


In Israel news, Kerry keeps offering Hamas more and more. You'd think they were winning or something. It's worth reading to get an idea of the shitshow over there:

quote:

On the Palestinian side, this provision is interpreted as also meaning that Israel’s activities to find and destroy Hamas’s cross-border tunnels would also immediately be halted. Israel has reportedly pushed for terms that would enable it to continue tackling the Hamas tunnels after a halt to hostilities. There is no likelihood of the Israeli cabinet voting for a ceasefire deal that does not ensure that the tunnels are destroyed, Israel’s Channel 2 reported on Friday evening.

In the subsequent talks in Cairo, the Palestinian delegation, which would comprise representatives of various Palestinian factions including Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, would speak on behalf of Hamas. These talks would continue for some five to seven days. The contacts between the delegations would not be direct. Rather, Egypt would serve as a mediator, with its representatives acting as intermediaries between the Israeli and Palestinian delegations, the sources said.

The discussions would cover Hamas demands relating to: opening border crossings between Gaza and Israel; opening the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt; the release of recently rearrested prisoners from the Shalit deal; the release of some 30 convicted terrorists, including Israeli Arabs, who were set to go free under the collapsed Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in late March; widening Palestinian fishing rights off the Gaza coast, and the establishment of a Gaza seaport.

At the same time, Arab states, the Palestinian Authority and other international players are pushing for an international investigative committee to be allowed into Gaza. According to the current plan, two separate committees would be established: one based in Egypt, with representatives from the PA, the Arab League and Egypt, without the participation of Qatar, Turkey or Hamas; and a second, based in Europe under EU auspices, including Qatar and Turkey, but without Egypt or the PA.

A senior Palestinian source told The Times of Israel on Friday that these same terms were acceptable to the sides, including Hamas, as of Tuesday, but that an agreement then was torpedoed by Qatar and by Khaled Mashaal, the head of the Hamas political bureau, who is based in Qatar. This source claimed that the Hamas overseas leadership, under Mashaal, is presenting harder-line stances than Hamas political and military leaders in Gaza. He said Qatar could hold the key to the fate of the Kerry proposal again now, and that the US is clearly attempting to resolve Qatar’s objections.

There was no formal confirmation that these are the ceasefire terms under discussion from the US or Israel.

Couple points:
- There is no reason to offer Hamas jack and poo poo, let alone a real ceasefire before they issue ridiculous demands
- Several of those demands are against Egypt, not Israel
- That 'Hamas leadership in Qatar' is the Muslim Brotherhood, who the Egyptians are essentially at war with right now
- As the bolded part (emphasis mine) indicates, Hamas is just going to make up their own terms and announce them regardless of what gets formally agreed on anyway

If you're wondering why the tunnels are such a big deal, it's because apparently Hamas had its own invasion of Israel planned for high holidays: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/hamass-big-plan-disrupted.php [TRIGGER WARNING: conservative website, I'm stealing their quote]

quote:

Leaks have begun to trickle out on what Israeli interogators are learning from captured Hamas fighters. One plot in particular is getting overwhelming attention.

Hamas was apparently a few months away from conducting a mass attack on Israeli civilians during the upcoming Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashana, on September 24. The raid would have been like something out of a movie: hundreds of heavily-armed Hamas fighters would have emerged from over a dozen underground tunnels in the dead of night, jogged 10 minutes to their targets, and then infiltrated a set of lightly-populated and lightly-guarded Israeli communities. Casualties could have reached the thousands, and some of the victims would have been taken back alive as hostages.

The offensive attack tunnels seem to quite literally have been built for this kind of purpose. The IDF recently published a map of how they were dug to spill out on both sides of nearby communities (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtYjL4mCAAAI6c6.png). Israeli soldiers have been reporting that just inside some of the tunnels were storage units filled with tranquilizers, handcuffs, ropes, and so on.

The reports on this are mostly in Hebrew right now (the original one is here if you want it: http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/600/825.html?hp=1&cat=875&loc=1). There are bits and pieces are getting translated on blogs and in think tank bulletins. The Gatestone Institute’s Lawrence Franklin has the best English-language I’ve seen so far, and I’ve pasted it below.
If the reports are confirmed, there are some immediate adjustments that analysts, journalists, and diplomats will all but certainly make:

(1) A ceasefire without at least the destruction of Hamas’s tunnel network would likely becomes a non-starter. It would be militarily untenable – and probably politically impossible – for Israeli leaders to accept anything less.

(2) The inevitable Israeli investigation into pre-conflict failures – and the Israelis always hold these, no matter how well things go – will have to take into account both how so many tunnels got built and why Israeli intelligence failed to crack the tunnel plot earlier. There’s a lot of focus right now on the former, but a lot of the digging and earth moving happened underground. It’s the latter debate, about sigint and humint, that has the potential to cost people careers.

(3) Confirmation of the plot would raise the stakes in the growing controversy over how human rights groups and diplomatic bodies pressured the Israelis into liberalizing restrictions on cement imports. Kilometers and kilometers of reinforced tunnels were being built deep into Israeli territory while Gaza-based offiicals railed against cement shortages. Some critics have already begun to name names, and the debate is already become very granular: TIP held a conference call yesterday in which one expert described how Hamas filled emptied UNRWA relief bags with dirt and then drove them away in UN-painted trucks, so that drones overhead saw what looked like a UN-sanctioned aid convoy.

(4) The public debate over the degree to which Operation Protective Edge was a “war of choice” for the Israelis would become constrained. A full-blown war would be seen as in some sense inevitable, with the only difference being whether it came before or after the Jewish High Holidays this fall.

poo poo sounds like some sort of abduction & panic attack straight out of X-COM

For an idea of the absurd scale of the tunnel network: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/180007/concrete-facts-about-hamas

quote:

Israeli troops entering Gaza last week have so far uncovered 18 tunnels used by Hamas to send armed terrorists into Israel and built using an estimated 800,000 tons of concrete.

What else might that much concrete build? Erecting Dubai’s Burj Khalifa, the world’s tallest tower, required 110,000 tons of concrete. Hamas, then, could’ve treated itself to seven such monstrosities and still had a few tens of thousands of tons to spare. If it wanted to build kindergartens equipped with bomb shelters, like Israel has built for the besieged citizens of Sderot, for example—after all, noted military strategists like Jon Stewart have spent last week proclaiming that Gaza’s citizens had nowhere to hide from Israel’s artillery—Hamas could have used its leftovers to whip up about two that were each as big as Giants Stadium. And that’s just 18 tunnels. Egypt, on its end, recently claimed to have destroyed an additional 1,370. That’s a lot of concrete.
...
You may find such calculations callous. They certainly pale in comparison to heart-wrenching photos of dead children on the beach. But they matter a whole lot: If you’ve ever read Robert Caro’s The Power Broker, or played Sim City, or just looked out your window and paid attention to your city’s changing skyline, you know that urban leaders are measured not by what they say but what they build. And Hamas, almost exclusively, chose to build tunnels, bunkers, and launching pads for missiles.

Now, from purely military point of view, there is something brilliant about transforming a strip of coastal farmland into a giant concrete aircraft carrier that’s impossible for your enemy to sink. But the idea that Hamas’ tunnels are intended to promote the welfare of Gaza’s 1.8 million civilians, who are forced to live on deck as rockets are fired, is bunk. If the tunnels were truly lifelines for Gazans, as Western apologists occasionally argue, one might expect any reasonably responsible leadership to avoid firing barrages of rockets at civilians inside Israel.

The intention behind Hamas’ tunnels is clear from where the exits are located: inside Israel. The terror organization packed its subterranean networks of tunnels and bunkers with explosives, weapons, and murderers, some disguised as IDF soldiers. Their gallant plan was to send the killers through the tunnels, so they could emerge from the ground in the middle of Israeli kibbutzim and start throwing grenades and shooting indiscriminately, with the goal of killing as many Israelis as possible. That’s not very neighborly.

So, where did Hamas get all that concrete? Most of it came from you and your government. Hamas got its hands on the supplies it needed to build the tunnels after it pleaded with the international community last year to help redeem Gaza from the throes of a humanitarian crisis, caused by the fact that both Israel and Egypt closed their borders to Gaza, because both countries grew tired of having their soldiers and citizens murdered by terrorists. Needless to say, Israel’s concerns about how the concrete would be used were universally derided in the West as inflicting cruel and needless suffering on the people of Gaza—who, needless to say, didn’t receive any of the concrete for their own use. The priorities of Ismail Haniyeh’s government were crystal clear—to use all resources at their disposal to launch another war with Israel.

And if you are among the tens of thousands of political idiots who spent last weekend demonstrating in support of Hamas—now that the Khmer Rouge isn’t fashionable—it may also be useful for you to know that while Gazans languish in in poverty, Hamas’ bosses are living large; Haniyeh, for example, bought 27,000 square feet of beach-side property a few years ago for $4 million, pays for his children to study in Europe, and sends his family members to hospitals inside Israel—all good choices, which he ensures are not available to anyone in Gaza who isn’t a high-level member of his fundamentalist political cult.

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q

I thought this wasn't going to be an I/P thread anymore

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


Meanwhile (why not) we're loving the Kurds:

quote:

IRBIL, Iraq — Each day, Kurdish security forces­ in northern Iraq skirmish with fearsomely armed Islamic State militants along their new, nearly 650-mile border. The Kurds have held their own so far. But without new arms supplies or financial assistance, their fight is unsustainable, a senior Kurdish official said. Masrour Barzani, the Kurdistan Regional Government’s intelligence and security chief, described his forces as “overstretched.” In an interview this week, he called on the United States to provide direct military assistance to his semi­autonomous region, which he said has been left to fight the extremists unaided.
...
The Kurds are supposed to receive a share of U.S.-supplied weapons to Iraq, but they have gotten “not a single bullet,” Barzani said. Meanwhile, Islamic State fighters have seized weapons worth hundreds of millions of dollars from retreating Iraqi soldiers. “This is the truth that the world should know,” he said. “So we are left out to fight all these terrorists, all these problems on our own.”

Some of the about 750 American troops sent to Iraq recently to protect U.S. facilities and serve as military advisers have been dispatched to the Kurdish region, but they are so far taking on only an assessment role, according to Barzani. He declined to comment on reports that a U.S. drone base has been established on Kurdish territory.

“We hope that their assessments are going to be helpful to let Washington know how serious the situation is and how big of a need we have for military support,” Barzani added.

The Iraqi government has opposed efforts by the Kurds to acquire weapons, saying such sales are illegal, with only the central Defense and Interior ministries authorized to buy arms. But the Kurds have long pursued secret deals to replenish their stocks. Recently, though, the central government, which controls Irbil’s airspace, has banned cargo flights to the north, which in the past have brought in new weapons from Eastern Europe.
...
The squeeze is being felt on the front lines. One Kurdish commander said that security forces were under new orders not to fire on the enemy unless attacked or until their opponents were within 20 meters — about 65 feet — to save on ammunition. He said the mandate, issued in lateJune, meant that after one bout of fighting, Islamic State militants were able to retrieve bodies and damaged vehicles. “I could see 20 dead bodies, very short range from us, but we had orders just to let them take the stuff, and hold fire,” Lt. Col. Kamaran Hourami said. “We need newer and better weapons,” he said.

Barzani said that the Kurds had procured some “small to medium” arms but that when most allies are approached, the feedback is “not positive.”

With Washington wary that Iraq’s main security forces­ are being infiltrated by Shiite militias, the more stable Kurdish north makes a logical partner for the U.S. government in trying to curb the Islamic State, Iraqi and Western analysts say. But U.S. officials are reluctant to undermine Baghdad’s authority, they added.

In Washington, Brett McGurk, the Obama administration’s diplomatic point man on Iraq, told lawmakers Wednesday that “we’ve had conversations” with Kurdish leaders “about how we can work with them on their future.” But McGurk, the deputy assistant secretary of state for the Near East, made clear that the administration believes that “the best way to go” is for the Kurdish region to stay inside Iraq’s “constitutional framework.”
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McGurk did not directly address Kurdish appeals for U.S. weapons. But he made clear that the administration does not support independent Kurdish oil exports outside the central government framework. “We have an obligation to say when people ask that there is a legal risk for taking oil without an agreement” with Baghdad, he said. The Kurdish region is meant to receive 17 percent of the national budget after certain expenses are deducted, but Baghdad has refused to pay until the Kurds cease attempts to unilaterally sell oil.

Seeing as we've more or less publicly acknowledged Maliki is a nutjob who on the best day is under the thumb of Iran and on the worst is just a totally self-interested sectarian dictator, telling the Kurds they have to go through him is a fuckjob. Where's our State Department higher-ups on this?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!


krispykremessuck posted:

I thought this wasn't going to be an I/P thread anymore

I think the difference is that there's actually current events stuff to discuss, rather than a "glass it all" Clancy-jerk.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!



krispykremessuck posted:

I thought this wasn't going to be an I/P thread anymore

Here is a coast guard model helo complete with GI JOE figurines made into a ceiling fan to placate your needs about news other than I/P

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

In other news ISIS has started a new dating website called JIhadMingle, making sure its fighters can find matches in the newly pacified areas.


Nuke israel.

Fucitol
May 8, 2005

Ceterum autem censeo mundum esse delendam



Memento, homo, quia pulvis es, et in pulverem reverteris


Someone explain an end state to me in which we give no fucks about Israel or Palestine.

Besides the one where I get to stop listening to arm chair generals and autists talking past each other.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3979 days!


ArbitraryTA posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

Welp. I think any vestiges of good will the world could have for Israel just got pissed out all over the ground.

I agree, this meticulously researched HuffPo/Buzzfeed/Breitbart article is the last straw that will turn the tide of world opinion once and for all, mixed metaphors be damned. This 200 word blog post, which consists entirely of hyperlinks, quotes of real journalists, and "clever" snark will finally

gently caress it

Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Jul 26, 2014

GateheaD
Sep 27, 2005

Gatorade me bitch


how many australian SAS does it take to kill russia? i want exact numbers

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.


GateheaD posted:

how many australian SAS does it take to kill russia? i want exact numbers

12.

10 will be busy gang raping 1 of them. The other guy will shoot Russia in the head.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES


Fucitol posted:

Someone explain an end state to me in which we give no fucks about Israel or Palestine.

Israel either shits or gets off the pot.

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.



Reference to Tripoli?

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

TCD posted:

Reference to Tripoli?

Iraq in the next 6 months when our 750 troops defend the embassy and the last chinook carries hajis to their own personal settlement...in death valley to accommodate their need of mud hut building materials.

bloops
Dec 30, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!


Anansi The Spider posted:

Iraq in the next 6 months when our 750 troops defend the embassy and the last chinook carries hajis to their own personal settlement...in death valley to accommodate their need of mud hut building materials.

Think you're ever gonna make it down range?

Cole
Nov 24, 2004

DUNSON'D

They called leaving 30th AG and going to your BCT going "down range" when I was there.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3979 days!


Cole posted:

They called leaving 30th AG and going to your BCT going "down range" when I was there.

I was confused by this when the Drill Sergeants also said "when you go down range..." "But I already am down range? :confused:"

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

one day i will be deployed to bagram and get my CIB from a random haj blowing up his underwear bomb 50 feet from the wire

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Anansi The Spider posted:

one day i will be deployed to bagram and get my CIB from a random haj blowing up his underwear bomb 50 feet from the wire

Not even that happens at BAF, but maybe you can trip during one of the weekly 5k fun runs and get Purple Heart out of it somehow.

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

psydude posted:

Not even that happens at BAF, but maybe you can trip during one of the weekly 5k fun runs and get Purple Heart out of it somehow.

heat cat purple heart?

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002





Anansi The Spider posted:

one day i will be deployed to bagram and get my CIB from a random haj blowing up his underwear bomb 50 feet from the wire

Not from a TRADOC unit. :lol:

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

DoktorLoken posted:

Not from a TRADOC unit. :lol:

gently caress no maybe when I reup then I can politely ask for 1st ID, hopefully get 1st brigade.

Casimir Radon
Aug 1, 2008




Anansi The Spider posted:

one day i will be deployed to bagram and get my CIB from a random haj blowing up his underwear bomb 50 feet from the wire
Maybe yell "He's coming right at us!". Right before blowing away the omelet guy.

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

Casimir Radon posted:

Maybe yell "He's coming right at us!". Right before blowing away the omelet guy.

he had it coming, great service, questionable sanitation

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!


Goons in Platoons: great service, questionable sanitation

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.


KKS trigger warning: tangentially related to I/P

http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-turkey-trade-insults-over-gaza/

quote:

Egypt warned Ankara Saturday of “further action” as it protested for the second time in a week at the Turkish premier criticizing its president and Cairo’s handling of the Gaza conflict. Ties have been strained since both withdrew their ambassadors last year after the Egyptian military ousted Islamist president Mohammed Morsi, who had forged closer ties with Turkey’s devout Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The foreign ministry said it was summoning the Turkish charge d’affaires — for the second time within a week — to protest against Erdogan’s criticism in the media on Thursday of President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi and Cairo’s stance on the conflict in the Gaza Strip.

Ministry spokesman Badr Abdelatty told AFP that the protest comes after Erdogan in an interview with US television channel CNN “repeated again that Sissi was a tyrant and that Egypt has no role” in resolving the Gaza crisis. Erdogan also denounced Sissi on July 18 as an “illegitimate tyrant,” saying that Cairo could not be relied upon to negotiate a truce in Gaza. Saturday’s ministry statement said Erdogan’s remarks show “the total ignorance and dismissal of the political reality in Egypt since the June 30 revolution.”

The AP article below takes a slightly different angle from the AFP artice quoted above:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/egypt-warns-turkey-of-worsening-relations-1406396932

quote:

CAIRO—Egypt's Foreign Ministry on Saturday condemned Turkey's prime minister for calling Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi a tyrant, warning that already sour relations between the two countries could worsen.

In a strongly-worded statement, the ministry said it summoned the Turkish charge d' affaires, the highest-ranking Turkish official in the country, over the comments. It said Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is driven by "narrow ideological interests," referencing Turkey's support to the Muslim Brotherhood group, branded as a terrorist organization in Egypt.

Interesting to see Egypt and the Arab League splitting so publicly with the Hamas-Qatar-Kerry-Turkey axis over this issue

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q

Snowdens Secret posted:

KKS trigger warning: tangentially related to I/P

http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-turkey-trade-insults-over-gaza/


The AP article below takes a slightly different angle from the AFP artice quoted above:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/egypt-warns-turkey-of-worsening-relations-1406396932


Interesting to see Egypt and the Arab League splitting so publicly with the Hamas-Qatar-Kerry-Turkey axis over this issue

this kind of stuff doesn't bother me because it's actually interesting and not just you jerking off about yahweh and the plight of the jews

CSM
Jan 29, 2014


Snowdens Secret posted:

Couple points:
- There is no reason to offer Hamas jack and poo poo, let alone a real ceasefire before they issue ridiculous demands

Well, except for the 42 dead Israeli soldiers, the deteriorating international relations , and the lack of an actual objective making this short conflict already a quagmire for Israel.

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007



CSM posted:

Well, except for the 42 dead Israeli soldiers, the deteriorating international relations , and the lack of an actual objective making this short conflict already a quagmire for Israel.

No one that actually has power in this world gives a gently caress that they're murdering a shitload of brown people en masse.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003



College Slice

I think they got a pretty big Get Out Of Jail Free card with all the tunnels and poo poo like was pointed out earlier. Hearing a lot about that, and it's a pretty solid talking point to say "We told everyone they'd just use it to attack us, and look how many bridges or schools they didn't build with it."

Also the multiple cease-fire rejections by Hamas are getting them hammered in the media.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I dunno, maybe if Israel lifted the blockade and opened up the borders people in Gaza would have less of a reason to give a poo poo about Hamas.

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH
Sep 9, 2001


psydude posted:

I dunno, maybe if Israel lifted the blockade and opened up the borders people in Gaza would have less of a reason to give a poo poo about Hamas.

When we let those goddamn savages have the very basic of tools- to build things like housing, sanitation, hospitals, bridges.. Etc, they didn't. They built tunnels and fortified their caches and launch sites.

Listen, these so called people can't be trusted with anything more than their own bare hands to beg with, or they're gonna go kike killing.

Don't be a stupid frog, leave the scorpions alone.

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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


imo we should just sell palestine to qatar, since they're apparently going to bankroll the government workers and infrastructure there

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