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Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


Captain_Maclaine posted:

:drat: Let's not say things we can't take back, dude.

Niall Ferguson may be a hack but he's a successful one because he's an easily digestible hack.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Smellrose

Captain_Maclaine posted:

:drat: Let's not say things we can't take back, dude.

Well, Niall Ferguson is demonstrably wrong about a lot of things and is generally an rear end, but having said that:

1) He actually completed a history PhD, which is not something you can bullshit your way through unless you're an absolutely world-class bullshit artist, like to the point where you're so good at bullshitting people you'd be more likely to be using your talents for something far more lucrative than a fancy humanities degree.
2) Before becoming a lazy limelight-chasing contrarian hack he apparently wrote one decent book.
3) He writes in complete, coherent, grammatical sentences that are comprehensible to the vast majority of the English-literate world.
4) He doesn't use Google Glass, or list a failed cry for money to hire someone else to create a "game" for Google Glass as a major academic accomplishment.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 7, 2014

DoctorDilettante
May 16, 2013

SurgicalOntologist posted:

I'm genuinely curious where you picked this up. As someone familiar with the scientific side of these questions, the thesis seems reasonable but entirely unremarkable from scanning it. Although the reference list is embarrasingly short and misses a number of (perhaps most) perspectives on self-organization that would be illuminating. I'd like to think I'd know of it already if it was foundational to the philosophy of complex systems science.

Yeah, that was a weird printing issue. The copy I had up was also somehow missing all footnotes. I've updated the copy on academia.edu to fix those issues.

Eripsa just told me that y'all have been talking about my dissertation on here. I just defended it today (and passed! hooray!), so I have no interest in thinking any more about it right now, but I'm genuinely interested to see what you have to say.

I'll say that I'm definitely NOT sympathetic to anything new-agey, and I've got a significant graduate-level background in math and physics here at Columbia. The chair of my exam committee has a PhD in theoretical physics, and is one of the biggest critics of that stuff. I think it's crap, just as he does.

The first chapter is (of course) very general, particularly at the beginning. Don't read that. The most interesting stuff is in the last two sections. Chapter Three, I think, is the most interesting in the whole work.

Anyway, I'm busy getting drunk. I'll come back at some point, maybe.

Gregor Samsa
Sep 5, 2007
Nietzsche's Mustache

DoctorDilettante posted:

I've got a significant graduate-level background in math and physics here at Columbia.

...?

CheesyDog
Jul 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

"I took some electives"

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

1) He actually completed a history PhD, which is not something you can bullshit your way through unless you're an absolutely world-class bullshit artist, like to the point where you're so good at bullshitting people you'd be more likely to be using your talents for something far more lucrative than a fancy humanities degree.

I'm not sure how you could be in academia as long as you seem to have been and still think this is the case.

Gregor Samsa
Sep 5, 2007
Nietzsche's Mustache

CheesyDog posted:

"I took some electives"

I mean, I actually know the guy, and don't have the same opinion of him that this thread does, but I quoted that cuz it's not (to my knowledge) true.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Gregor Samsa posted:

I mean, I actually know the guy, and don't have the same opinion of him that this thread does, but I quoted that cuz it's not (to my knowledge) true.

Maybe he read some books in a graduate library. Would that count?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Smellrose

Ogmius815 posted:

I'm not sure how you could be in academia as long as you seem to have been and still think this is the case.

I'm speaking purely of people I know who've completed history PhDs, which admittedly is a narrow sample and I may just have been lucky so far because there's plenty of lovely historians who can schmooze and write superficial but bestselling trash.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

DoctorDilettante posted:

Yeah, that was a weird printing issue. The copy I had up was also somehow missing all footnotes. I've updated the copy on academia.edu to fix those issues.

Eripsa just told me that y'all have been talking about my dissertation on here. I just defended it today (and passed! hooray!), so I have no interest in thinking any more about it right now, but I'm genuinely interested to see what you have to say.

I'll say that I'm definitely NOT sympathetic to anything new-agey, and I've got a significant graduate-level background in math and physics here at Columbia. The chair of my exam committee has a PhD in theoretical physics, and is one of the biggest critics of that stuff. I think it's crap, just as he does.

The first chapter is (of course) very general, particularly at the beginning. Don't read that. The most interesting stuff is in the last two sections. Chapter Three, I think, is the most interesting in the whole work.

Anyway, I'm busy getting drunk. I'll come back at some point, maybe.

Congrats! I think your thesis is pretty good but not as novel as you portray it (of course that could be said of many dissertations). Your insights are solid but are anticipated by a bunch of approaches to self-organization I feel you should have mentioned, notably
  • Robert Rosen's definition of complexity w.r.t. impredicative logic,
  • non-equilibrium thermodynamics (i.e. dissipative structure theory; Prigogine--IMO this is the most promising path to understanding self-organization and answering Schrodinger's challenge of "What is Life?"),
  • synergetics (Haken, Kelso),
  • homeokinetics (Iberall & Soodak),
  • self-organized criticality (Bak), and
  • Howard Pattee's complementarism (symbols as constraints on dynamical systems).
  • Also, your discussion of neural development was a good opportunity to cite the systems approach to development (e.g. Gottlieb's probabilistic epigenesis).

These all contain the general idea, to varying degrees of emphasis, of circular causal relationships: activity of the whole being caused by the parts but also constraining the parts. Based on your thesis, I think you must have encountered some of these, but if you're unfamiliar with any of these approaches and genuinely interested I can recommend starting points. Here's some recent work that borrows from many of the above:
Ecological Psychology 24(1), (2012): Special Issue: On Intelligence from First Principles I: Dissipative Structures, Impredicativity, and Intentional Dynamics
Ecological Psychology 24(2), (2012): Special Issue: On Intelligence from First Principles II: Formalizing Autocatakinetics, Physical Pattern Formation, and Plant Perception-Action

To put my cards on the table, I'm a Gibsonian psychologist (have you read Tony Chemero's book? It's a natural next step from Clark) and my advisor is a statistical physicist trained by Haken.

XyloJW
Jul 23, 2007
Back by popular demand, it's the Eripsa Thread! Starring... Strangecoins! Cyborgs! Autism!

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

XyloJW posted:

Back by popular demand, it's the Eripsa Thread! Starring... Strangecoins! Cyborgs! Autism!

The documentary record of my e-legacy, preserved.

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"

Hey, I remember you from your thread now. It's nifty, because there's rarely a week that passes where I don't encounter something that reaffirms that I think you're wrong.

However, your theory is at least a real, actual theory, with testability and logic and no inherently self-defeating aspects, so please don't think I'm comparing you to Erpisa.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

SedanChair posted:

The documentary record of my e-legacy, preserved.

The Great Work can now continue. We poor alchemists, lost in darkness and ritual, can only stare at the mighty wonders of Eripsa's incoherent nonsense brave new world.

Krotera
Jun 16, 2013

I AM INTO MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS AND MANY METHODS USED IN THE STOCK MARKET
Xylo -- Oh, well that was nice of you. Thank you for doing that.

Maybe Eripsa will start storing his Strangecoin docs somewhere else now that he knows how spontaneous modaction can be.

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord
Did anyone save a copy of / link to that short story about the end game of an attention economy?

(it involved a giant mech battle between the two richest attention barons, someone who filled a warehouse with cats and cameras vs a pornographer)

GulMadred
Oct 20, 2005

I don't understand how you can be so mistaken.

Panda Time posted:

Did anyone save a copy of / link to that short story about the end game of an attention economy?

(it involved a giant mech battle between the two richest attention barons, someone who filled a warehouse with cats and cameras vs a pornographer)
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3462638&pagenumber=28#post400702769

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Thread delivers in 7 minutes. Now that is a service which you wouldn't otherwise find in the strangecoin economy.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

XyloJW posted:

Back by popular demand, it's the Eripsa Thread! Starring... Strangecoins! Cyborgs! Autism!

Question: Is the attention based economy allowed?

Caros
May 14, 2008

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Question: Is the attention based economy allowed?



Seriously, what made you think digging up a year old Eripsa thread was a good idea?

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Caros posted:



Seriously, what made you think digging up a year old Eripsa thread was a good idea?

We must never forget Our Friend Eripsa

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Well, Niall Ferguson is demonstrably wrong about a lot of things and is generally an rear end, but having said that:

1) He actually completed a history PhD, which is not something you can bullshit your way through unless you're an absolutely world-class bullshit artist, like to the point where you're so good at bullshitting people you'd be more likely to be using your talents for something far more lucrative than a fancy humanities degree.
2) Before becoming a lazy limelight-chasing contrarian hack he apparently wrote one decent book.
3) He writes in complete, coherent, grammatical sentences that are comprehensible to the vast majority of the English-literate world.
4) He doesn't use Google Glass, or list a failed cry for money to hire someone else to create a "game" for Google Glass as a major academic accomplishment.

Who the gently caress did that?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Crowsbeak posted:

Who the gently caress did that?

Eripsa wanted to make a game called Swarm!

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Of course it's about ants. Eripsa has a freakish obsession with reducing humans from complex individuals down to ants. I can only imagine what these thread would be like if he had a more mainstream "hobby" like trains.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5qthqBaajI

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.
Everybody's moved on from Strangecoin guys! It's all about Synereo!!

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Of course one of them has a fedora.

Yiggy
Sep 12, 2004

I'd like another Eripsa thread but it needs more Eripsa content than the last one.

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.
he's on schedule for a new thread/manic episode this month

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Crowsbeak posted:

Of course one of them has a fedora.

The little icon for "be who you want to be" on Synereo's front page seems to be a person with a fedora, giant sunglasses and oversized trenchcoat.

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004

It looks like they vanished Eripsa from the Synero stuff. Wonder if he got too crazy for them.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Wee Tinkle Wand posted:

It looks like they vanished Eripsa from the Synero stuff. Wonder if he got too crazy for them.

He's still tweeting about it.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

emfive posted:

Everybody's moved on from Strangecoin guys! It's all about Synereo!!



http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-429...s8iKRA-1-1&ws=1

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp
they have a mathemagician, I don't think I can take this anything other than seriously

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp
hey I've taken a bunch of math classes and can probably bullshit a bunch of stuff that impresses executive types, will they hire me?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

spoon0042 posted:

hey I've taken a bunch of math classes and can probably bullshit a bunch of stuff that impresses executive types, will they hire me?

IDF hackers turned *coin grifters? Probably.

Krotera
Jun 16, 2013

I AM INTO MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS AND MANY METHODS USED IN THE STOCK MARKET
Maybe if we come up with a new marble-based wealth distribution scheme we can summon Eripsa back from inactivity.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

spoon0042 posted:

they have a mathemagician, I don't think I can take this anything other than seriously

Magic is deadly serious. Why do you think Hogwarts keeps medical staff on hand at all times? :krakentoot:

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

http://themeforest.net/item/brooklyn-creative-one-page-multipurpose-theme/6221179

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Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

He's still tweeting about it.

Erpisa is that one friend who could never take a hint that you were sick of him and wanted him to leave, only cranked up to 1000.

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