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Synereo is in the middle of its first round of fundraising. It seems to be going well, but I'm pretty far out of the loop. When this round of fundraising is over we'll release the whitepaper, a demo of the service, and our repository on Git. I haven't posted a new thread because we wont have anything to talk about until the whitepaper is released and I can be specific about what we're doing. It is a sprawling 50 page document that goes over our design philosophy (of which I only wrote 2or 3) and specifics about our tech stack. The upshot is that we're building a distributed network that is extremely flexible about the kinds of interactions that can take place between nodes. Our current demo involves transferring bitcoins to support creative content producer; we've been talking to musicians about using the platform to distribute their work. But there's nothing about our tech that requires or depends on the blockchain, and we've imagined several non-monetary kinds of transactions that might take place on the network. Specifically, we've been talking about smart contracts and comparing our system to Ethereum and other blockchain-dependent technologies. We're been doing community hangouts to talk about various aspects of the project. If anyone is interested in joining a chat session, I can provide an advanced copy of the white paper. I'd be happy to be harassed by a goon who is being as critical and skeptical as a friendly discussion allows. Drama and controversy can only help to attract attention.
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Slanderer posted:I'd love to hangout with Eripsa A cool, clear day, plenty of laughter and beer, all punctuated by the soft popping sound of attention marbles striking their targets.
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Can you send me one? Use my academic email address, it's <removed>. EDIT: Can Google see this subforum? Maybe I should obfuscate that. email.arizona.edu flip-AT jwnelson. To clarify I'd be interested in the chat session when possible -- I liked the one you did a while ago with SedanChair and Obdicut and some other guys. (am I remembering right?) Krotera fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Eripsa posted:Synereo is in the middle of its first round of fundraising. It seems to be going well, but I'm pretty far out of the loop. When this round of fundraising is over we'll release the whitepaper, a demo of the service, and our repository on Git. I haven't posted a new thread because we wont have anything to talk about until the whitepaper is released and I can be specific about what we're doing. It is a sprawling 50 page document that goes over our design philosophy (of which I only wrote 2or 3) and specifics about our tech stack. Are you aware of changetip on reddit which, in theory , allows people to send bitcoins to people on reddit for content they find useful encouraging more of that content to be produced ? How will you overcome the problems they have, namely no-one actually tips anything other than shrapnel and the recipients find it super annoying to have fractions of a penny thrown at them ? quote:Specifically, we've been talking about smart contracts and comparing our system to Ethereum and other blockchain-dependent technologies. quote:Ethereum is a decentralized Web 3.0 publishing platform featuring stateful user-created digital contracts and a Turing-complete contract programming language. Ethereum uses its underlying network unit, Ether, as payment to execute Ethereum contracts as a workaround to the Halting Problem. Can you give an example of a smart contract that could ever actually work in the real world without human intervention ? Also given you live in the US unlike most of the other devs, are you worried about the SEC wanting to speak to you about your promoting of shares in a unregulated security ? Particularly when they produce amazing tech diagrams like this 
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Eripsa, what's this "we" thing you keep going out about? You clearly aren't involved with this project in any significant way anymore. Don't try and take credit for others' work, that's just pathetic even by your standards.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:22
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quote:Content Policies Can anyone spot the slight flaw in this example?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:29
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wait wait wait he's fundraising and doesn't even have a loving whitepaper done yet lmao holy poo poo you lazy worthless idiot have you done anything whatsoever other than spout technogibberish word salad in youtube videos and forum posts
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jre posted:Can anyone spot the slight flaw in this example? Hahahahaha  That is brilliant!
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jre posted:Are you aware of changetip on reddit which, in theory , allows people to send bitcoins to people on reddit for content they find useful encouraging more of that content to be produced ? How will you overcome the problems they have, namely no-one actually tips anything other than shrapnel and the recipients find it super annoying to have fractions of a penny thrown at them ? i'll save you the time and effort of attempting to decipher whatever meaningless incoherent garble of letters he throws at you, because no matter what flaws have been pointed out in anything he's ever posted it all boils down to the same answer: the invisible hand of technological progress will fix it
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jre posted:Can anyone spot the slight flaw in this example? Is it that the example presumes universal adoption while simultaneously presuming that the doctor is beyond the reach of the network? Or is it that it completely ignores alternate means of information transfer (including things like "people talking to one another" and "the 'press' is a major factor in disseminating information to the masses") and is basically a white paper exploring the ways in which Synero can replicate the functionality of an electronic mailing list?
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Eripsa posted:Synereo is in the middle of its first round of fundraising. It seems to be going well, but I'm pretty far out of the loop. When this round of fundraising is over we'll release the whitepaper, a demo of the service, and our repository on Git. I haven't posted a new thread because we wont have anything to talk about until the whitepaper is released and I can be specific about what we're doing. It is a sprawling 50 page document that goes over our design philosophy (of which I only wrote 2or 3) and specifics about our tech stack. Considering your early work in the last thread I'd be interested in seeing an advance version of your stuff if only because I suspect it probably needs at least one more look over to be considered as functional english. Pithy comments aside I'm actually serious. I'd be interested in seeing an advanced copy to give it some functional proofreading and to be available for later discussion. AdamCaros@hotmail.com Caros fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 22:48
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LGD posted:Or is it that it completely ignores alternate means of information transfer (including things like "people talking to one another"  We have a winner I'm sure I'd totally trust the security of a distributed social network designed by people who've never come across the concept of side channels. edit: Since some people seem to be late joining, Synereo has an amazing blog and website that are pretty entertaining. The main group of devs are ex IDF bitcoin enthusiasts. The fund raising is happening by selling a pre-mined altcoin (bitcoin clone) with the promise that amps can be used to advertise on this amazing new decentralised social network when they finally build it. This is one of my all time favourite slides that they produced 
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Mar 4, 2015 22:49
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rejecting reality as a false premise is the core value upon which eripsa's entire worldview is centered
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although that's a particularly egregious example, because you'd think a technofetishist would know what twitter is. i say "you'd" think because eripsa doesn't, won't, and seemingly can't.
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So Erispa, did you and/or the Synereo guys ever fix the blatant problem that was repeatedly brought up in the goldmined thread? You know, the whole thing where Synereo will end up being used as a child porn distribution network and/or an ISIL recruitment hub if massive changes aren't made to it. Because answering the question "what will your network do about child pornography" is kinda loving important, and I'd like a real answer to it. 
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fade5 posted:So Erispa, did you and/or the Synereo guys ever fix the blatant problem that was repeatedly brought up in the goldmined thread? That's the same argument as "computers can be used to disseminate child pornography, what is
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wheez the roux posted:although that's a particularly egregious example, because you'd think a technofetishist would know what twitter is. I think an implied premise is that the value of Synereo will become so obvious and so compelling that everyone will start spending all their time hunched over a keyboard firing marbles at things. Of course in such a situation one would expect the doctor not to have bothered to visit Sierra Leone in the first place, and instead to have stayed at home shooting AMPs at the best doctors already there.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:08
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Krotera posted:Can you send me one? Use my academic email address, it's <removed>. Caros posted:Considering your early work in the last thread I'd be interested in seeing an advance version of your stuff if only because I suspect it probably needs at least one more look over to be considered as functional english. Sent. Anyone interested in joining a hangout, please register your interest here. I can have our lead tech guys available to pummel with your best questions. I'm sure they can take it. edit: love the avatar. love.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:16
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can someone explain to me why you put your email addresses in spoilers. spider bots aren't looking as the page visually, it's not like they can't parse loving basic bbcode. i see people doing it all the time and i want to know where the misguided assumption that it does anything came from
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Synereo does not incorporate the burgeoning teledildonics field into its social network hierarchy. ergo, it is already a sub-optimal failure doomed to be replaced and surpassed by alternatives.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:31
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LGD posted:Is it that the example presumes universal adoption while simultaneously presuming that the doctor is beyond the reach of the network? Or is it that it completely ignores alternate means of information transfer (including things like "people talking to one another" and "the 'press' is a major factor in disseminating information to the masses") and is basically a white paper exploring the ways in which Synero can replicate the functionality of an electronic mailing list? A lot of this is in response to the Ethereum DAC stuff. We essentially have a model where users can set the terms of their engagement with others, and their node can then autonomously manage transactions across the network that conform to these terms. One use case in isolation isn't particularly impressive; y'all are right that we're thinking about this as fundamental infrastructure on which lots of different kinds of social interactions might take place. Widespread adoption of such technologies are probably decades away. Right now the issue is over the basic protocols that will define the space of network interactions. Our technology has the advantage that we can give guarantee that certain formal conditions are met. There are lots of situations where such a thing might be useful.
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Eripsa posted:A lot of this is in response to the Ethereum DAC stuff. We essentially have a model where users can set the terms of their engagement with others, and their node can then autonomously manage transactions across the network that conform to these terms. One use case in isolation isn't particularly impressive; y'all are right that we're thinking about this as fundamental infrastructure on which lots of different kinds of social interactions might take place. Do you understand why the example from the website I quoted is fatally flawed ? Any chance you could reply to my questions about changetip and smart contracts
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Mar 4, 2015 23:34
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Eripsa posted:Sent. I got it! Also like I posted on G+, I'm probably available on the 11th but I don't know if I'll have the whitepaper finished by then. (but I'll probably know for sure by Sunday)
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Eripsa posted:edit: love the avatar. love.  The littlest marble.
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Cefte posted:I'll be sad when someone else buys over it All hail the buttnet.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:46
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jre posted:Particularly when they produce amazing tech diagrams like this Jesus, they're going to charge ahead without specifying the ontology?? I mean, they clearly know what they're doing if ZMQ and C++ are peers with JVM and Scala, but if we don't all agree we're using OWL 2 we won't get too far without an epistemology bridge.
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Eripsa posted:Sent. My initial thought after glancing through this for a handful of minutes is pretty the same as my initial thought to the mock up Synereo images from a few months back. Stop using other people's intellectual property to hawk your autism kroner Seriously, I'm going to have additional rants about the white paper after I've read it, but my single biggest take away is that you keep using pictures from League of Legends and the names and locations from NBC's (Now Yahoo's I suppose) Community. You should stop doing this because it makes you look like a goddamned amateur not an educated professional. Edit: I do have to say I enjoyed this part for the irony. quote:Socially meaningful proof-of-work and \mining" AMPs Caros fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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JawnV6 posted:Jesus, they're going to charge ahead without specifying the ontology?? I mean, they clearly know what they're doing if ZMQ and C++ are peers with JVM and Scala, but if we don't all agree we're using OWL 2 we won't get too far without an epistemology bridge. Two paragraphs later zmq has become rabbitmq, and they've added in node.js for full buzzword compliance. If anyone's of a technical bent, they can have a look in their git repo. It's um......, well you have to see for yourself. https://github.com/synereo/
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jre posted:Two paragraphs later zmq has become rabbitmq, and they've added in node.js for full buzzword compliance. If anyone's of a technical bent, they can have a look in their git repo. Kafka for extra distributed street cred.
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You might also want to revise your conclusion so it doesn't start out by effectively insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. Actually, just as a question Eripsa, do you mind if I post a version of your conclusion that doesn't read like it was written by a first year comp-sci student with associated knowledge of english. I'm suspecting it isn't a part that you wrote since it isn't pretentious enough, but at the same time it is just really, really poorly written, to the point that it offends my eyes.
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I got to some math in the whitepaper. I am not feeling these (kind of handwavey, not totally specified (yet)) algorithms. EDIT: It turned into Community fanfic. EDIT2: Got into a wall of actual math as opposed to loose high-level descriptions and I think I'm done for this evening. (I don't really feel comfortable evaluating it without writing a program.) Krotera fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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jre posted:Do you understand why the example from the website I quoted is fatally flawed ? Any chance you could reply to my questions about changetip and smart contracts I'm not a fan of anything bitcoin, although I'll admit that getting changetipped a few months ago did feel good, being the first money I've ever made from writing. I promptly downloaded to a BC wallet and lost the file to a formatted drive. So I agree there are problems with the idea. Synereo isn't built on the blockchain; we have an entirely different method for identity verification and proof-of-work, based on the pi-calculus. Our core network model uses a reputation measure that isn't a conserved quantity and doesn't work like coins in almost any way. We have a method for interfacing the system with bitcoins, but we can also detach from anything coin-related. As if it weren't already clear, let me say that I don't understand the core technology here very well at all. It exists; I've seen a working demo, and there are people I trust in the mathematics community who have vouched both for the technical approach and the guy who built it. But I can't verify the code myself, and I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. It's entirely possible that the people I've talked through are lying through their teeth, but this seems unlikely to me. The guy who built it (Greg) is an ex-M$ mathematician who has been working on this project independently for a decade; I helped put him in contact with the IDF guys because they were looking to build a system like this, and it was the only think like it that I was aware of. For the last few months, Greg has been going through the code with our other tech guy. The other two people in the "core team" have been dealing with funding and the media campaign. I was involved early on, but I have no tech skills and I'm of pretty limited use, so I was put on the advisory board. I'm still involved with the project, but it is in no way my project. I'm happy to talk about it because I think they're doing something interesting. If anyone comes to a hangout, Greg will probably be there, and you'll be able to get as technically precise about the project as you'd like.
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Eripsa posted:I'm not a fan of anything bitcoin, although I'll admit that getting changetipped a few months ago did feel good, being the first money I've ever made from writing. I promptly downloaded to a BC wallet and lost the file to a formatted drive. So I agree there are problems with the idea. Why the hell do you care about interfacing with bitcoin when your system exists largely to be a replacement to their system, particularly in light of the fact that bitcoin is garbage? Also, people don't have to be lying through their teeth for this all to be a flop, they simply have to be either uninformed or wildly overly optimistic, two things you should know quite a bit about. I have no doubt that these things might seem like they work on the general up and up, but it is worth pointing out that the bitcoin white paper seemed pretty solid on first glance. Many of the really problematic effects of a complex system are not at all apparent in a vacuum or even under basic testing. Frankly I still think the math implications are the least of Synereo's problems, but that is because I know poo poo about the math. The real problems in my view are the entire basis of the idea and your total lack of understanding on how to advertise or market your product effectively in such a way that it doesn't' become "Bitcoin, but with (more) child porn".
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What's the supposed reputation value for a mandatory service stint? It's clearly thought to be of some value, but my interactions with a few members doesn't lend it an appropriate air to match that expectation.
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Eripsa posted:I have no skills and I'm of pretty limited use.
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It's fascinating to me that IDF hackers' first white paper of a free, distributed network without centralization focuses on how to conceal information from the press.
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so this is basically typesafety + block chain + weed? edit: ok so not even the block chain StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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wheez the roux posted:can someone explain to me why you put your email addresses in spoilers. spider bots aren't looking as the page visually, it's not like they can't parse loving basic bbcode. i see people doing it all the time and i want to know where the misguided assumption that it does anything came from On some other forums it actually does block the content from non-registered users. It never has on SA though.
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