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embiid 41 32.28%
wiggins 86 67.72%
Total: 127 votes
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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

Mandrel posted:

"Scout 1" who is apparently an NBA GM who is probably Danny Ainge or something sounds like a big dumbass in that article who's just regurgitating media narratives. I always assume anonymous league GMs who contribute to these articles are the terrible ones anyway.

Given the source I wouldn't be surprised if they're all Celtics or people recently associated with the Celtics.

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Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream

The Asian Oprah posted:

Ryan McPoyle over there oughta suit up next to Charlie Day lookin' Josh McRoberts and maybe Marc Gasol can become Fat Mac.

JJ Redick looks like Dennis so sign him up grizz

Spacebump
Dec 23, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

the_american_dream posted:

REAL MAD Dallas couldn't draft him last year. Tho Shane Larkin or young El Debarge as I like to call him may have something

In my mind it was going to work out perfectly. He'd be stashed in Europe, we wouldn't have to worry about Carlisle barely giving a rookie minutes this season, and he could hopefully have turned into a good player. Too bad it didn't work out. (unless he busts then I don't care.)

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN
And now we have no significant pick in a loaded draft. This rebuild will go just swell

Spacebump
Dec 23, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Thanks a lot Lamar Odom.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
Are there any cool Tony Mitchell-esque players who will be around at 38 for Detroit. I'm holding out hope for a Lance Stephenson or something of that nature.

I'd love to see them trade into the middle 20s of the first round and take Adreian Payne.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo and PJ Hairston are intriguing at 38. What do yall say?

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 24, 2014

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

john brown split this heart

WEREWAIF posted:

Are there any cool Tony Mitchell-esque players who will be around at 38 for Detroit. I'm holding out hope for a Lance Stephenson or something of that nature.

I'd love to see them trade into the middle 20s of the first round and take Adreian Payne.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo and PJ Hairston are intriguing at 38. What do yall say?
Jarnell Stokes may fall. He has insane wingspan, but may (will) struggle against NBA bodies. All-time great name Bogdan Bogdanovich, 7'1" Isaiah Austin, Spencer Dinwiddie (late-lottery talent, blew out his knee this year), Jabari Brown (great shooter, no defense), Cleanthony Early (productive tweener type) are some of the highlights for beginning of 2nd round.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005
Ask me about my SAS erotic fan fiction

the_american_dream posted:

And now we have no significant pick in a loaded draft. This rebuild will go just swell

Welcome to a third of what it feels like to be a Knicks fan

birds
Jun 28, 2008


From a casual fan standpoint, I feel like the Cavs drafting Embiid will end in a sad documentary about what could have been because he got injured. It's too terrifying for me. I feel that Parker will be fine, like Iguodala good but not good enough to lead a team through the playoffs. I think Wiggins is the most efficient pick.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Mandrel posted:

"Scout 1" who is apparently an NBA GM who is probably Danny Ainge or something sounds like a big dumbass in that article who's just regurgitating media narratives. I always assume anonymous league GMs who contribute to these articles are the terrible ones anyway.

"I've never seen the player who dropped forty points in a game while his injured post player was gone take over a game. Where's his cajones?"

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Probably Magic posted:

"I've never seen the player who dropped forty points in a game while his injured post player was gone take over a game. Where's his cajones?"

Why oh why won't Wiggins completely ignore Bill Self and do whatever the hell he wants all the time??

Icy Penguigo
Nov 7, 2010

Macintosh posted:

From a casual fan standpoint, I feel like the Cavs drafting Embiid will end in a sad documentary about what could have been because he got injured. It's too terrifying for me. I feel that Parker will be fine, like Iguodala good but not good enough to lead a team through the playoffs. I think Wiggins is the most efficient pick.

Wiggins is the one who looks a lot like Iguodala/Paul George. Parker next to Kyrie would be a horrible defensive core. I don't think they'd take Parker first but really who knows. I'm sure they'll all have private workouts with the Cavs and maybe Parker will really impress them.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
Considering how difficult it is to get a player with talent to play an offense I'm surprised Wiggins isn't a dream come true.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

Vire
Nov 4, 2005

Like a Bosh

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

Not going to lie he looks really impressive there.

District Selectman
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

That would look great in a Sixers uniform

Jota
May 6, 2003

uga-booga uga-booga

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

Phwoar I'm smacking my lips and rubbing my thighs right now

roundmidnight
Jul 9, 2010
Like I've said before, the thing that is amazing about Embiid is that everything is going "forward" all the time. He's so fluid; there's no catch ball STOP robotic move STOP go up STOP dunk.

He's catching the ball and his feet and arms are already going into the motion of whatever he's doing.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

I mean you can but only if you're taking Wiggins instead (he looks like he'll be completely healthy in time for the season but back injuries are nothing to gently caress with)

Icy Penguigo posted:

Wiggins is the one who looks a lot like Iguodala/Paul George. Parker next to Kyrie would be a horrible defensive core. I don't think they'd take Parker first but really who knows. I'm sure they'll all have private workouts with the Cavs and maybe Parker will really impress them.

Wiggins has T-Mac upside on offense and would make the most sense for the Cavs if they're looking for someone to contribute right away, but if they want to take the scoring load off Irving then Parker makes sense as well (and maybe they can flip their magical loving picks for Omer Asik or someone and roll with a pretty loving good frontcourt of Free Agent X (or Deng) - Parker - Asik). The Cavs really can't mess this one up.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

I love the jumpshot dunk what the heck this is great.

CVagts
Oct 19, 2009
Even taking Wiggins, I'd be a little worried about passing on Embiid, after seeing his highlights.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

That Embiid YouTube was porn.

It looked like an 8 foot rim.

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

euphronius posted:

That Embiid YouTube was porn.

It looked like an 8 foot rim.

That's exactly what I was going to post. Looks like he's playing on a child's basket or something. He doesn't even have to elevate.

The B_36
Jul 10, 2012

CVagts posted:

Even taking Wiggins, I'd be a little worried about passing on Embiid, after seeing his highlights.

I'm not really sold on Embiid like so many people in this thread, and it's not because of the possible injury concerns. I think it's going a bit overboard when people are comparing a guy who averaged 9.8pts and 6.5rebs per game in his one college season to Hakeem "Top 5 player of all time" Olajuwon. Even if he works out very well and becomes an all star at some point, there is a 99.9% chance he won't be as good as Hakeem, injury or not.

It occured to me that it seems the vast majority of perennial all star, Hall of Fame type players all had incredibly productive college season(s) under their belt (excluding the high school guys like Lebron and Kobe of course), and I can't think of too many guys who had a "potential" year with low numbers in college who went on to greatness in the NBA. Obviously, you don't need Embiid to become a hall of famer to justify taking him first, but when you have someone like Wiggins or Parker available to you, it seems to be in your best interest to take one of them than a guy who really hasn't proven anything yet and has just shown alot of (admittedly really good) tools.

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Hakeem averaged 8 and 6 his freshman year.

whiggles
Dec 19, 2003

TEAM EDWARD

MourningView posted:

Given the source I wouldn't be surprised if they're all Celtics or people recently associated with the Celtics.

Makes sense - talk poo poo on all the top picks in an effort to shift the narrative and get one of them to drop.

Icy Penguigo
Nov 7, 2010

The B_36 posted:

I can't think of too many guys who had a "potential" year with low numbers in college who went on to greatness in the NBA.

Andre Drummond is a perfect recent example of a player who didn't fit into his college system and didn't have a great year, but immediately became one of the best Centers in the NBA. Obviously he hasn't "gone on to greatness" but it's also clear he's going to have an excellent career, barring injuries. Having a coach and system that can utilize you properly, as well as more experience and better conditioning will make a world of difference to a player like Embiid who has only been playing a few years. Also, his numbers last year were very good given his playing time, so citing his 10/6.5 averages as a reason to doubt him is not exactly a strong case. It's hard to compare college careers from historically great players to one and dones of today, not just because of body of work, but also because of the way the NCAA game has evolved.

Edit: Also this

euphronius posted:

Hakeem averaged 8 and 6 his freshman year.

lol

Icy Penguigo fucked around with this message at 00:52 on May 25, 2014

The B_36
Jul 10, 2012

euphronius posted:

Hakeem averaged 8 and 6 his freshman year.

He also went on to have an incredibly productive few college seasons after that. I'm not saying Embiid absolutely wont be a good, all star level player, I was mostly commenting on the Hakeem comparisons. If you're going to say that he will be Hakeem if he's not injured, and use your #1 pick in a loaded draft on him, then you're hoping he'll turn out to be better than Andre Drummond. Drummond is good, and may get better, but you're looking for a top 5 guy in this draft, and there's much less chance of that happening with Embiid than with Wiggins imo.

And I'm also not saying that 19yr olds should be trapped in college for 4yrs or anything, I'm a big proponent of guys deciding to declare for the draft whenever they want.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

john brown split this heart
If you're criticizing Embiid on his numbers, have you looked at his individual games? He didn't play a lot in the OOC, then got hurt with a couple of injuries at the end of the season, limiting his minutes. In the conference season, he scored in double-digits all but 4 times (11/15).

Embiid did not shoot more than 10 shots in a game the entire season and still averaged 10ppg. A lot of this is from his foul trouble, but he was getting auto-double teamed the entire conference season. Everyone complained about Wiggins not being aggressive enough, but he averaged 12 FGA/game.

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3 DONG HORSE
May 21, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

euphronius posted:

That Embiid YouTube was porn.

It looked like an 8 foot rim.

Seriously. I am bummed he's likely going to rot on the Cavs for a couple years.

whiggles
Dec 19, 2003

TEAM EDWARD
Is fouling a lot for a young post defender anything like a young point guard with a lot of turnovers? I know I've heard that it can be a good sign for a PG in development in the sense that it displays a willingness to play aggressively and test the limits of your game.

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

I tell you the truth: one of you chumps will betray me
It's extremely common for young big men to get in foul trouble. Although occasionally you get a guy who never figures it out like Ian Mahinmi or whatever.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

After looking at all the Bleacher Report-esque trade scenarios for the Kings, I'm now 100% onboard the Aaron Gordon train and believe he'll fit a Paul George mold right down to having two first names

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

Not enough chairs, but I am willing to ignore that because holy poo poo.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
That super soft easy facility around the rim reminds me of Greg Monroe, with athleticism and the ability to jump

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
Is lateral quickness tests the best way to figure out if the guy's back is hosed? I watched a fair amount of Dwight in his Lakers run and he seemed alright on the first jump up, but he couldn't move side-to-side and his second jump for rebounds was slow, late.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Blinkman987 posted:

Is lateral quickness tests the best way to figure out if the guy's back is hosed? I watched a fair amount of Dwight in his Lakers run and he seemed alright on the first jump up, but he couldn't move side-to-side and his second jump for rebounds was slow, late.

It's not the end all test, but yes it's a good marker. Because back injuries really hurt when they're torqued laterally and you need to be seriously doped up to play through that pain.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

kiimo posted:

Embiid looks pretty healthy. Can't pass on this guy.

http://youtu.be/Gp7PX7hYUFQ

This is honestly my first time seeing him, wow that's definitely a reason to be a top 3 pick. That's a really smooth jumper.

yo soy fiesta
Feb 6, 2005

Are you fucking shitting me, dude!?

Pleasseee fall to the Sixers

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Bush Did Outer Heaven
Jan 18, 2005

The Sweetest Payne
I don't know who deserves Embiid, but it's not the Cavs.

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