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I will agree to this so long as they make circumcision required as part of school vaccinations.
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I was taught both this method (not exactly but something similar to it)and traditional methods. I still do mental arithmetic this way. Haven't done a long division since i got out of elementary school. I don't see what is so controversial about it, people who don't get it really shouldn't be this loud because they are unable to grasp elementary school arithmetic.
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May 27, 2014 07:04
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The problem is the standard, not the content. If it's such a good teaching tool, surely the teachers would try it out and start using it anyway. Oh no wait, they wouldn't because the decisions of how things are taught in a classroom are made by politicians on a 10 year delay. e: Hey teachers, next time some kids ask why they need to learn math, tell them it's not because of their individual needs but because ExxonMobil requires 5% more college graduates. DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 10:45 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 10:13
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DeepQantas posted:The problem is the standard, not the content. common core wasn't developed by politicians, it was developed by teachers to address shortcomings in US disparate standards across the country
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May 27, 2014 10:55
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Oh no. Not enough standards. e: Which teachers? e2: As far as I can tell the teachers' role in developing Common Core has been "providing valuable input". http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/frequently-asked-questions/#faq-2299 http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/frequently-asked-questions/#faq-2300 Also found this from one of the organizations "providing feedback". http://neatoday.org/2014/02/19/nea-president-we-need-a-course-correction-on-common-core/ NEA President posted:I am sure it won’t come as a surprise to hear that in far too many states, implementation has been completely botched. Seven of ten teachers believe that implementation of the standards is going poorly in their schools. Worse yet, teachers report that there has been little to no attempt to allow educators to share what’s needed to get CCSS implementation right. In fact, two thirds of all teachers report that they have not even been asked how to implement these new standards in their classrooms. DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 12:57 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 11:33
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I think the most important thing would be to develop some sort of algorithm that determines which kids will actually need math and which don't. Kids that don't need math will never need math, for anything. Unless you need math in your job, the vast majority of people never, ever use math after school. Hell, the "final straw" argument people used to use about needing math was that "You'll need it to balance a check-book!", and who the hell even knows what means anymore, let alone does it.
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May 27, 2014 13:07
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I think the most important thing would be to develop some sort of algorithm that determines which kids will actually need math and which don't. Kids that don't need math will never need math, for anything. Unless you need math in your job, the vast majority of people never, ever use math after school. Hell, the "final straw" argument people used to use about needing math was that "You'll need it to balance a check-book!", and who the hell even knows what means anymore, let alone does it. yeah, nobody needs to understand poo poo like statistics
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May 27, 2014 13:07
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The most important thing is getting rid of the punitive testing regime and supporting schools that are in the most dire need, not the other way around. You could probably convince me that counteracting the effects of poverty at home is more important, though. Close call. DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 13:23 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 13:20
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vaucede posted:the best thing about education is that everyone who ever visited a school thinks he is an expert on it, i love it Look, rear end in a top hat. I went to school for several loving years. I think I know a thing or two about school.
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May 27, 2014 13:44
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Maybe it's these teachers that designed the Common Core? They seem pretty vocal about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3koed-DV5k
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May 27, 2014 13:52
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Gulzin posted:It's funny because you think memorizing your bullshit carry algorithm matters more than being able to estimate in the age of computers and calculators.
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May 27, 2014 14:05
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I think the most important thing would be to develop some sort of algorithm that determines which kids will actually need math and which don't. Kids that don't need math will never need math, for anything. Unless you need math in your job, the vast majority of people never, ever use math after school. Hell, the "final straw" argument people used to use about needing math was that "You'll need it to balance a check-book!", and who the hell even knows what means anymore, let alone does it. makes u think
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May 27, 2014 14:22
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The real question is why all this common core stuff is obsessed with doing things in steps of 10 and 5, a clear bias and obsession with base 10 mathematics, and why we don't take this opportunity to switch the entire world to hexadecimal.
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May 27, 2014 14:26
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what if we all had kids use the abacus
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May 27, 2014 14:30
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Doctor Spaceman posted:yeah, nobody needs to understand poo poo like statistics Polls are facts, estimate all numbers over 20, slowly puzzle out change in groups of 5 and 10~ Congrats you're, uh, real fuckin smart, and highly educated. Hell now you're more qualified than a teacher
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May 27, 2014 14:34
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WarLocke posted:42-30+1=13? This is some of the most lol poo poo I've ever read
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May 27, 2014 14:39
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Aha! Finally found the teacher that designed Common Core: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-kx5-MKSE Oh wait no... he's just some professor that says it was two lobbyist groups that are responsible and teachers and principles never asked for Common Core. Search continues... e: Haha, the more I listen to this video, the more I realize how hosed you guys are. Bill Gates designed your curriculum and Federal Government bribed and intimidated the states into adopting it even before it was finished. DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 15:03 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 14:50
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NPR did a report on common core math this morning. Kids love it. Teachers say the transition was hard, but kids learning it say it is way easier. Shocking. Looks like I'm still right.
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May 27, 2014 15:51
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You're a patsy.
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May 27, 2014 15:59
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wtf is wrong with just standard drills
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May 27, 2014 16:14
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If you don't want to watch the whole 2 hour video (you should, tho) just check the part at 1:10:14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-kx5-MKSE&t=4214s
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May 27, 2014 16:21
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Fantastic speech! I knew about CC before this vid, but I had no idea about the sexual developement program in it. It is pure evil, right out of A Brave New World.
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May 27, 2014 16:36
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We are being standardized, like McDonald hamburgers. Our children are no longer the consumers, they are the PRODUCT. There is no fixing this system. And be sure about this: these same ideas have permeated our universities. Time to rethink our kids' futures, folks
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May 27, 2014 16:36
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"America became a world superpower on the backs of children educated in one room school houses." This is true, and we need to remember it.
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May 27, 2014 16:38
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DeepQantas posted:If you don't want to watch the whole 2 hour video (you should, tho) just check the part at 1:10:14: BWAHAAHAH. Judeo-Christian Values - Classical Curriculum. 
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May 27, 2014 16:40
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:NPR did a report on common core math this morning. Kids love it. Teachers say the transition was hard, but kids learning it say it is way easier. White kids with married parents?
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May 27, 2014 16:42
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quote:Dr. Duke Pesta received his M.A. in Renaissance literature from John Carroll University and his Ph.D. in Shakespeare and Renaissance literature from Purdue University. hmm yes this looks like an expert on the case
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May 27, 2014 16:42
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:White kids with married parents? It sounded like all poor and hispanic.
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May 27, 2014 16:43
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:NPR did a report on common core math this morning. Kids love it. Teachers say the transition was hard, but kids learning it say it is way easier. As a Canadian I don't have a horse in this race, but you are being dishonest is stating the kids say it is "way easier" when what they actually did was offer a split opinion on its difficulty rather than its ease.
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May 27, 2014 16:44
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Antifreeze Head posted:As a Canadian I don't have a horse in this race, but you are being dishonest is stating the kids say it is "way easier" when what they actually did was offer a split opinion on its difficulty rather than its ease. Were you listening to the same report? The kid literally said "Math Power" at the end.
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May 27, 2014 16:46
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dear canadian friend i hope you're looking forward to your kids getting 'discovery-based learning' now being implemented in a school near you, where the teacher is an 'architect of learning' that sets up 'opportunities for growth' and doesn't actually support or instruct because they're in 50-person classes anyway lolling a thousand times over if every goddamn idiot defending CC if they really think the push is coming from CONCERNED EDUCATORS preparing students for the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and not from Pearson. follow the money~
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May 27, 2014 17:39
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:NPR did a report on common core math this morning. Kids love it. Teachers say the transition was hard, but kids learning it say it is way easier. Skimming over the documents posted in this thread it seems pretty easy to grasp and it's how I naturally added numbers in my head (while taught with a traditional curriculum), i.e. 83+22 is (80+20) and (3+2) 105  I'm a math retard however, but it would make sense that people who have spent 30+ years teaching and learning the old way are annoyed at having to change
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May 27, 2014 17:53
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gentlemen, we have a math situation
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Hey, since expert opinions are so important, why don't we check what the actual English and Maths experts hired to validate the Common Core standards have to say? Dr. Stotsky, Dr. Milgram, you have the floor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrxbU_UfaQE What's that? It was all bullshit? Oh dear.
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May 27, 2014 18:27
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Man a thread where I lean towards Rhonyn posts. Ya'll really done it
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May 27, 2014 18:34
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:It sounded like all poor and hispanic. But married parents, all snark aside? Latinos have good family structure and try to get better things for their kids than they had. I'm told that it makes a huge difference in academic success, while children raised by children don't really know how to motivate the newer ones. This isn't really a line of thought about Common Core at this point, really, but my theory is that Common Core is fine anyway, it's just the societal factors that are the problems with the uneducated younger generations, not their inability to grasp a new learning method. Again, all my info comes from a Chicago public school teacher from an underperforming school who is frustrated that she can't do better. I'll just shut up now I guess I'm not really contributing to this furor over the New Math. What's the deal with X and why do I need to solve for it, anyway?
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Carol Pizzamom posted:Man a thread where I lean towards Rhonyn posts. Ya'll really done it These kinds of threads are my Oprah.
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DeepQantas posted:If you don't want to watch the whole 2 hour video (you should, tho) just check the part at 1:10:14: Right after this part he starts saying that under obamacare a school can take your 13 year old daughter off campus and get her an abortion without ever consulting the parents. Also that schools are being built with pharmacies because under obamacare schools can give your kids prescription drugs, also without parental involvement.
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Now he's saying that obamacare allows schools to collect and store data on your kids and that when your kid goes for their first job interview the person will be looking through their second and third grade records.
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The math in the OP makes sense to me and is something people who understand math tend to intuitively do. They basically break apart numbers in an equation such that the individual steps are all much easier solutions than having to do it in a single step. If you've ever done mental math for multiplying two larger numbers (like doing 34x72 in your head), then you've probably naturally broken the numbers into factors that were easier to work with, then combined them in the end. It's actually a kind of cool method because breaking the numbers into various factors or fractions is in itself math that shows you understand conceptually what the numbers you're working with mean. 32 isn't just 32, it's 30+2 or 10+10+10+2 or whatever, it's all the same thing just written differently.
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