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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007


RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




Vargatron posted:

Also, if you're employed publicly, you might be in the same role your entire career, that's not uncommon. I took a slight pay cut to get in a job that's a million times less stressful and I'm probably going to have this job for the next 5 years, at least until I get my degree and try to move internally.

Yeah, I would consider myself lucky as poo poo in these troubled times if I can keep my public sector job forever with insane benefits, a 36.25 hour week, mandatory annual raises, and a fat pension. And the work is actually interesting, to boot.

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DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.


DropsySufferer posted:

...haven't slowly promoted up over the years to IT director or something....

Save me from IT Directors that got their position because of a 10 year long game of musical chairs at the same company.

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?


DropsySufferer posted:

No not just two years that's insane. But if person has been with a company 10 years or something and is still in the position they started.

Let's say for someone who for example has spent 5 years in help desk. They could have left it, or moved on to another role, or become a manager but they stay in that same position they started with the rest of their career. When I ask it seems to be they like what they are doing and don't want to go further. That's all.

Yea, I had one colleque who was precisely that. He could work early shifts or work late as his family stuff mandated and he was happy in his spot. On the other hand, in one other job I had an another colleque who had been there 10 years and was almost bursting at his seams. In a team of 6 people plus the team lead he was stressed all the time, behaved really badly towards everyone and he wouldn't let people who had been there 5+ years do anything unless he was supervising. I was told by 3 colleques in the six months I spent there (6 month contract and I told them at the 3 month mark that I won't extend it even if they would offer me the opportunity) that a.) the three of them were planning on leaving unless they were promoted (they were, past mr. stressed) and b.) that I was the fourth person in 2 years to leave because of that dude. Getting stuck in the same place can make some people really bonkers also.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Reene


We had a guy who did the same job for 27 years at a financial company I worked for.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

I mentioned my contemplation a few weeks back but today I .

The boss understood me wanting to move closer to family, no issues there. They might be open to allowing me to work remote for a few weeks/months while they post my position and get someone hired, have to wait and see what the Director says.

No job lined up yet but I have a couple of phone interviews scheduled for next week. Worst case scenario is I chill on the beach through the end of December then start hitting it heavy come January 2nd. It'll be a big benefit to be able to interview in person instead of video/phone.

Honey Im Homme
Sep 3, 2009



I left a job cause of a lovely commute, taking a pay cut in the process and now I deeply regret it. I've been at this small MSP for 6 months now, 3 of the 5 man team I'm on have been here over 10 years and it's clear they all checked out a while ago. I have to log my 8 hrs in a timecard every day wether it's billable hours or no. It fuckin sucks. gently caress.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



Not everyone wants to be a director. Ive done the leadership role. Its not a promotion. Thankfully companies mostly realize now that you want to keep your ICs then you should pay them and not just promote them to a job theyll hate.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Yeah, I moved from manager to senior engineer this year and I'm happy with it. You don't have to actually do the managing bit to be a in a leadership or mentoring role. Someone else can do the 1:1s and quarterly reviews. I just want to work with cool poo poo and help other people work with cool poo poo.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


I went from director back to sysadmin and it was pretty much the best decision I ever made in my career. I just do my projects building neat stuff and no unpaid overtime and it rules.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


Methanar posted:

It's so we could dump their frame buffers with vnc.
absolutely not VNC

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


jaegerx posted:

Not everyone wants to be a director. Ive done the leadership role. Its not a promotion. Thankfully companies mostly realize now that you want to keep your ICs then you should pay them and not just promote them to a job theyll hate.
Director is a sadist's job for people who really enjoy pushing on the shape of the organization itself

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

You've got the Shine
You've got the power

lomarf


Yeah like I'm in the position that I have zero desire to be managing high-level strategic nonsense - I'd rather cap out at technical manager and be a (highly paid) thing-doer.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005


I only have management experience in smaller orgs, but I have been some level of management most of my career. I'm current a senior engineer and that's a nice change of pace, but I think I'm really good at pushing an org in the right direction and I think I'm a good boss. But man is it an exhausting role. This is the second time in my career I've taken a step back to recharge and it's a lot worse than the last time I burnt out. I'm not sure what my next steps are going to be.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




From my perspective, there are two paths to pushing an org in the right direction and they are complementary.

Director: Putting together effective teams and practices to meet the business goals

Architect: Charting the technical path to meet the business goals.

They enable each other. A bad team is going to gently caress up a good technical plan, but a bad technical plan is going to frustrate a good team.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE



I did the math and the tuition credit my job offers is like $9k per year and will only grow as tuition rates rise. On the other hand, I'm basically a 30 year old in classes full of freshman. Oh well, cant argue with a paycheck that comes with free school.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


bull3964 posted:

From my perspective, there are two paths to pushing an org in the right direction and they are complementary.

Director: Putting together effective teams and practices to meet the business goals

Architect: Charting the technical path to meet the business goals.

They enable each other. A bad team is going to gently caress up a good technical plan, but a bad technical plan is going to frustrate a good team.
Architects shouldn't be making technical plans, they should be involved in governance decisions and vetting/promoting approaches for different classes of use case

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003


counterpoint: nobody knows what a software architect is, the role varies quite a lot depending on company

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007


RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




DELETE CASCADE posted:

counterpoint: nobody knows what a software architect is, the role varies quite a lot depending on company

Uh they architect software, duh, god

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




In my org, Architect is the individual contributor counterpart to Director and the step up from engineer if you don't want to go into management track.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013
ASK ME ABOUT NOT TIPPING DELIVERY DRIVERS, OR ABOUT MY DIET OF CANNED BABY CORN AND CHICKEN NUGGETS

bull3964 posted:

In my org, Architect is the individual contributor counterpart to Director and the step up from engineer if you don't want to go into management track.

Whats a principal then?

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012


Methanar posted:

Whats a principal then?

Thats the one you get sent to when you gently caress up right

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.




Oven Wrangler

Oh good. Title chat again. Every org is different.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Methanar posted:

Whats a principal then?

Non-existent.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007


RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




deedee megadoodoo posted:

Oh good. Title chat again. Every org is different.

I'm an engineer

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010

Also sexism, religious bias, jingoism, and so on. Don't do it, people!

Dogs, don't do it either, even if the police man really tries to train you to do it.


bull3964 posted:

Non-existent.

nullfunction
Jan 24, 2005



Nap Ghost

CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm an engineer

I architect solutions

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



I architect solutions that customers ignore.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm an engineer

I am a banana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa641Awmj0E

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Negative, I am a meat popsicle.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



What job do yall use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


I work with computers.

Because normally idgaf if you think Im a CJ or goddamn Steve Jobs.

Sometimes I go with I work in IT. and rapidly change the subject, because you really dont want to know that I get very excited about finding out how database engines perform under very large data sets.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


Saying you're in IT is a good way for people to wind up asking you to fix their computer/phoelne and it's easier to just not have those conversations at all.

I tell people I'm an engineer or an analyst.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013
ASK ME ABOUT NOT TIPPING DELIVERY DRIVERS, OR ABOUT MY DIET OF CANNED BABY CORN AND CHICKEN NUGGETS

I just tell people I'm unemployed. Its easier to explain.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004









And less embarrasing

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007


RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




jaegerx posted:

What job do y’all use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing.

"I'm a penetration specialist "

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



CLAM DOWN posted:

"I'm a penetration specialist "

That's a good lie

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.


jaegerx posted:

What job do yall use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing.

"I herd cat5"

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm an engineer

The only thing I engineer is some fuckin coffee in the morning

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


Super Slash posted:

The only thing I engineer is some fuckin coffee in the morning
The difference between an administrator and an engineer is how overcomplicated their coffee prep is

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Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

I work for a software company who's product is fairly ubiquitous. I say "you know this thing? I work on that." And leave it there, despite my job having nothing to do with 'working on that'.

Nobody cares what I'm actually doing with network automation bullshit, and 0 people I know outside of work recognizes the word 'kubernetes'.

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