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And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?



Rodyle posted:

The point is more than you're trying to make these big criticisms over a partial adaptation which you haven't even finished, which is doubly hilarious when you already gave KnK a free pass for a worse example of the same kind of thing.

also

Well, I figured it would be better to respond sooner rather than later. I also figured Caster's story was basically over, so I assumed I could judge that part without too much trouble It's not even that big of a criticism, honestly. One terrible scene doesn't mean much considering we're talking about a 13 hour show. It was just the placement of that particular scene (after a long date in the middle of the season finale) that made me worry that there was going to be more where it came from.

I'm not giving KnK a free pass, though. Both cases are completely different. Lio's behaviour is the central focus of that film. He is a crazy lion guy, he wants to eat people. That's his deal. Caster's big deal are betrayals. The sexual element is very specifically only in that one scene. Also, I feel like the anime should stand on its own. I don't want to play the weird porn game.


Compendium posted:

Say that after you watch Carnival Phantasm

Uhm, thanks. I think I'll pass. :crossarms:

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011



And More posted:

Also, I feel like the anime should stand on its own.

you can feel that all you like, it's the middle 3rd of the overarching story so it doesn't


And More posted:

Uhm, thanks. I think I'll pass. :crossarms:
ur lame

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D


And More posted:

Uhm, thanks. I think I'll pass. :crossarms:

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D


In all seriousness, Carnival Phantasm is good

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

And More posted:

Uhm, thanks. I think I'll pass. :crossarms:

What's it like to hate fun?

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 23, 2008

YOU'RE NOBODY


Rodyle posted:

you can feel that all you like, it's the middle 3rd of the overarching story so it doesn't

i'm actually gonna argue this point with you, if any part of fate stay night can stand on its own as a complete story it's ubw

And More posted:

Uhm, thanks. I think I'll pass. :crossarms:

piss baby

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?



Compendium posted:

In all seriousness, Carnival Phantasm is good

Are there any cool wizard battles in it?

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



It's a gag series so no

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



Play Melty Blood

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


100/100 missions, Iri 5/5. :toot:

Now the true grind begins to clear out the shop.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

alcharagia posted:

i'm actually gonna argue this point with you, if any part of fate stay night can stand on its own as a complete story it's ubw

You could make any of the three routes a standalone story if you really wanted to, you'd just be completely missing out on the greater metastory, loving over all the characters who star in one route and just job in others, and pretty much destroying all of the interroute callbacks and references.

It's not like HF is completely incomprehensible if you didn't read Fate and UBW first, it just loses a lot of its punch.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 23, 2008

YOU'RE NOBODY


BlitzBlast posted:

You could make any of the three routes a standalone story if you really wanted to, you'd just be completely missing out on the greater metastory, loving over all the characters who star in one route and just job in others, and pretty much destroying all of the interroute callbacks and references.

It's not like HF is completely incomprehensible if you didn't read Fate and UBW first, it just loses a lot of its punch.

this is true. ubw just happens to have the least characters who job and get completely no screentime, and even the one who does, rider, is a setup for shinji's flailing around like an idiot and getting hosed over.

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



Shinji is goodd

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5KJSMejl4E

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

alcharagia posted:

this is true. ubw just happens to have the least characters who job and get completely no screentime, and even the one who does, rider, is a setup for shinji's flailing around like an idiot and getting hosed over.

Kotomine and Sakura are pretty much just there in UBW.

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



Tbf you could pretty easily assume Sakura's just there if UBW is your only exposure to the series. There isn't much in the way of stuff alluding to her home life aside from Shinji being a huge dick. Kotomine is a bit more of a problem, but even he still shows up long enough to get killed.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


Baal posted:

Shinji is goodd

Shinji getting owned constantly is good.

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



That is also good

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:


BlitzBlast posted:

Gee Heracles, why do you get to be Avenger and True Archer?
Avenger Herc would be an amazing trainwracker. :black101:

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013



Grimey Drawer

And More posted:

Are there any cool wizard battles in it?

There is a truly epic wizard battle in the first episode.

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013



The people who'll be the most confused will be the ones starting from Zero, but that kinda comes with starting with the prequel that was written after the main series.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


Medb rate-up to squeeze people right before the next event starts.

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:


They managed to make Arash really good now as an emergency heal bomb nuke!

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


New level 10 bond CEs:

http://imgur.com/a/yXVlM


Attilla: Party 15% attack up.
Arash: On death, heal 5k HP and clear all debuff.
Liz Lancer: Regen 500hp per turn for all party members.
Carmilla: NP 30% up, on attacking low chance to seal NP (1 turn).
D'Eon: Party 15% Art up.
Tamamo Cat: Party Max HP +2000
Hans: Party Mental Debuff Resistance up 30%
Boudica: Party Stargen +20%
Marie: Party Stargen +20%
Martha: Party healing effect +30%

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Those would be cooler if getting to level 10 was actually feasible.

I miss the Bond quests.

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010



BlitzBlast posted:

Those would be cooler if getting to level 10 was actually feasible.

I miss the Bond quests.

Hopefully the summer event does something fun like dropping specific servant requirements and just makes it a bond strengthening event.

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.

Let's see what we have on the free unit list.

Saber - Artoria Lily
Archer - Nobunaga
Lancer - None yet
Assassin - Shiki
Rider - None yet
Caster - Irisviel
Berserker - None yet

Still have a Lancer, Rider, and Berserker left over for free units before it's flips back to Saber.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

If you're counting all free units, we got Kiyohime in Orleans, Boudica from Septem, and I think Hector from Okeanos.

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D


David was the free Archer from Okeanos.

Hector might as well be free though since he keeps spooking me on the gacha

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010



InfinityComplex posted:

Let's see what we have on the free unit list.

Saber - Artoria Lily
Archer - Nobunaga
Lancer - None yet
Assassin - Shiki
Rider - None yet
Caster - Irisviel
Berserker - None yet

Still have a Lancer, Rider, and Berserker left over for free units before it's flips back to Saber.

You forgot rider Santa Alter and Caster Liz.

XENA I LOVE YOU fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 11, 2016

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.

Caster Liz was free? Never considered her to be since I remember her being in the gatcha for her event.

In any case, I'm counting the free event servants.

InfinityComplex fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 11, 2016

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012


InfinityComplex posted:

Caster Liz was free? Never considered her to be since I remember her being in the gatcha for her event.

In any case, I'm counting the free event servants.

Yup, she was free. So the actual list at this point is:

Saber - Artoria Lily
Archer - Nobunaga
Lancer - None yet
Assassin - Shiki
Rider - Santa Alter
Caster - Caster Liz, Irisviel
Berserker - None yet

Before the fate/zero event I thought they had a pattern for releasing free servants based on the exp quests, namely
Caster-Archer-Rider-Saber-Assassin-Lancer-Berserker, but Iri broke that chain, so now what we'll get next is anyone's guess.

Aumanor fucked around with this message at 20:01 on May 11, 2016

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:


Caster liz is free, which makes them broke it with two free caster.

They are also very stinky with releasing lancer for some reason. Probably because there are so many saber and keeping archer superiority or something. So the next one probably will be berserker.

Edit: iris is also a special case in that they didn't announce about her like they do with other free servant, so this could be a special exception.

Nyaa fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 11, 2016

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.


Maybe Ibaraki is the free Bersercar, since she was part of an event promo image.

Captain Baal
Oct 22, 2010



I mean it took people a while to know about Iri being the free servant for the FZ event, so I wouldn't count on that being a for sure thing at this point.

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010



Schubalts posted:

Maybe Ibaraki is the free Bersercar, since she was part of an event promo image.

It's probably gonna be like the Saber Wars thing where Ibaraki is the 5 star in the gacha and then a free 4 star.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...



BlitzBlast posted:

Kotomine and Sakura are pretty much just there in UBW.

Sakura's just there in Fate too.

Her actually being important is a big plot twist of HF.

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008


Sakura is still important in Fate and UBW, because neither Saber nor Rin are very good, leaving Sakura to pick up as much of the slack as she can with her limited screentime.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...



Freak Futanari posted:

Sakura is still important in Fate and UBW, because neither Saber nor Rin are very good, leaving Sakura to pick up as much of the slack as she can with her limited screentime.

Actually all three are good.

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011



Freak Futanari posted:

Sakura is still important in Fate and UBW, because neither Saber nor Rin are very good, leaving Sakura to pick up as much of the slack as she can with her limited screentime.

actually Saber is good and Rin is so strong she throws Sakura into a volcano Tekken style

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