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Rodyle posted:Then they'll complain that there was no purpose to Kirei and all that buildup was for nothing. Eh, they wouldn't be totally wrong, but Lancer gets to be the cool guy unlike F/Z Lancer whom I love, but that poor bastard couldn't even take anyone down with him when being offed pretty much the same way. Compendium fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Unlimited Blade Works is probably the worst route to follow up Fate/Zero with. Nearly everything that gets some backstory in Fate/Zero is irrelevant in UBW; Saber never gets any closure for Kiritsugu and the end of the 4th Grail War, Illya and Kirei both die without ever doing much of importance to the greater plot, the Azoth Sword doesn't play any part in the story, and you don't get anything about Zouken and Sakura. Basically the only thing that gets any sort of meaningful continuity is the conflict between Shirou's/Kiritsugu's ideals and the cynical, pragmatic way of carrying them out that they end up at, which is definitely not insignificant, but it's probably too much thematic and not enough narrative continuity for most people. Also Lancer killing himself, I guess.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:29
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I don't give a gently caress JUST GIVE ME UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS ANIMATED ALREADY.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:30
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Seriously though, read Sensha Otoko.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:32
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So it looks like we have three episodes left till the end of this cour? The botched ambush and first projection next episode, a bit of a breather with Tohsaka moving into Shirou's house for 11, and Rule Breaker for the clifhanger before the long wait?
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Dec 8, 2014 18:40
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Rodyle posted:Then they'll complain that there was no purpose to Kirei and all that buildup was for nothing. I think one of the things that I actually like about Nasu's writing is that its ridiculous repetition actually seems to simulate how a brain tends to function (or in my experience it isn't jumping around and making leaps at every opportunity), so a lot of times the way a character reacts is eerily similar to my reaction. "Wait, why is he still alive? You know what, whatever I guess he's alive."
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Dec 8, 2014 18:46
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Aumanor posted:So it looks like we have three episodes left till the end of this cour? The botched ambush and first projection next episode, a bit of a breather with Tohsaka moving into Shirou's house for 11, and Rule Breaker for the clifhanger before the long wait?
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Dec 8, 2014 18:48
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Nate RFB posted:I really want it to end with Archer's betrayal, but I don't know if that will be feasible. Maybe... Next episode is the bullshit fisticuffs with Souichirou. Then the date and Saber is stolen. And after that we get the counterattack and Archer's betrayal, but there are quite a few scenes inbetween and there's hope for some bonus scenes like Kirei's death on screen.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:59
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Honestly the more I'm reading the other thread, the more that I'm concerned of Ufotables ability to sell the major fight scene in UBW (or I guess more specifically, if it will sell). The fight has a long way to go in a very short amount of time, beginning with finalizing Archer's identity, firmly establishing his ideals and gripes with Shirou, having a conflict, and then setting up a resolution that sounds like a simple platitude but has meaning and resonance with Archer, that you're supposed to get over that one fight. If people aren't quite seeing Shirou's side, thoughts, and motivations by now, I can see people finding Archer's attacks inaccurate and the entire thing coming across as a blur. I'm really looking forward to episode whatever guys. Hoping it doesn't disappoint like the first run of Fate/Zero's episode 11. EDIT: Yeah I'm hoping they get to the bullshit fisticuffs next episode rather than merely setting it up.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:05
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I just remembered where UBW is heading with this episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78EKF80QhGo&spfreload=10 
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Dec 8, 2014 19:05
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Twiddy posted:Yeah I'm hoping they get to the bullshit fisticuffs next episode rather than merely setting it up. I Think that next episodes will be: 10) Archer dream. Ambush and Saber defeated First Projection Gil and Shinji discussion in the Matou basement 11) Projection aftereffects Rin staying in shirou house discussion about projection Archer/Shirou in the shed 12) Date Caster Shirou injured at Tohsaka house. The jewel The scene on the rooftop.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:13
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Bholder posted:Maybe... You're forgetting the entire day ten. There's no way they're going to cram that, the date and Caster's attack into a single episode. Twiddy posted:Yeah I'm hoping they get to the bullshit fisticuffs next episode rather than merely setting it up. They will. The next episode preview screams projection magic and that's toward the end of the fight, so it looks like they're covering the entire day day 9. What I'm wondering about is whether or not they're gonna show more of Rin's dreams of Archer, since the day starts woth the "Story of a knight" intermission, the last and most important of the three.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:18
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I think it's impressive just how much Hollow Ataraxia managed to justify in that last scene with Baz and Avenger. I hated a lot of those cutesy scenes like swimming and such, but Avenger flashing through all of them as he thinks about his existence coming to an end is some serious depressing poo poo. But it's also cool how Nasu managed to have the last, climactic confrontation of the story not be the insane shadow beast battle, but just a conversation.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:21
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Aumanor posted:You're forgetting the entire day ten. There's no way they're going to cram that, the date and Caster's attack into a single episode. Sure they can, nothing interesting happens in day 10. Oh wait, I just checked, there's a really fabulous scene between Shirou and Archer they WILL keep.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:33
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Bholder posted:Sure they can, nothing interesting happens in day 10. There's also Shirou's conversation with Tohsaka on the porch. All in all, it's an important episode for giving insight into both Shirou's and Tohsaka's characters. Unless you're only in the show for the fight scenes.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:56
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There is still a bit to happen, plus maybe some original scenes in between as we discover who casters master is, and than that bullshit fist fight. I really hope the fist fight is animated well to make everyone feel gob smacked
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Dec 8, 2014 23:59
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If half as much effort is put into it as was put into the Berserker fight, it'll be the next best thing to UBW itself. Here's a thought I had: How many masters/servants have there been with actual wishes for the Holy Grail? Everyone (Archer, Rin, Shirou, Rider, Sakura, Caster) thinks they're cool by saying "I'm in it to win it" or "I just want it for the sake of having the grail" or "Whatevs lol" but as far as I know, the only people who came into this thing with a plan were Kiritsugu and Tokiomi.
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HellCopter posted:If half as much effort is put into it as was put into the Berserker fight, it'll be the next best thing to UBW itself. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 03:31
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Dec 9, 2014 03:32
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Also Iskander and blue beard, but he kinda thought he won the war and just started killing everyone as an after party
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Dec 9, 2014 03:39
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Iskandar, Saber, Kiritsugu, Tokiomi, Kayneth, and Gilles de Rais were the only ones who came into the war with a specific wish. I think it is one of the best indicators of how the kids in the fifth war were just pawns when you realize how apathetic they are to the original purpose of the war.
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AlternateNu posted:Iskandar, Saber, Kiritsugu, Tokiomi, Kayneth, and Gilles de Rais were the only ones who came into the war with a specific wish. I think it is one of the best indicators of how the kids in the fifth war were just pawns when you realize how apathetic they are to the original purpose of the war.
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Dec 9, 2014 05:03
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It seems like everyone is forgetting Zouken and True Assassin. They had a wish, too.
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Dec 9, 2014 07:46
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Yeah, the wish to be less lameass.
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Dec 9, 2014 07:49
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Credit where its due, you have not been eaten in a video game until you have been eaten bye those worms. The sound, my God, the sound. TA just sucks though, gently caress that guy and his audacity in killing all those way cooler characters.
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Dec 9, 2014 07:54
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I'm reading a translation of scenes and scripts that weren't used in the Fate/Prototype OVA and man, it's just good fun, what with how different the Grail system is and how the tone is basically Heaven's Feel brand of darkness. Even if this material will probably never see the light of day, I love seeing the ideas that lead up to the current Fate series. EDIT: Also, the drama CD is Carnival Phantasm level poo poo, it's just goofy fun. Compendium fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 04:29
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I'm replaying Fate at the moment and god there is so much  BS at the start. "Ghost Liner", what the gently caress, I don't think I've ever heard that before anywhere else in the franchise. This isn't that complicated you don't need to keep inventing make believe phrases and words.
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Nate RFB posted:I'm replaying Fate at the moment and god there is so much Nasu is just channelling his idol Andrew Hussie.
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YggdrasilTM posted:The last episode of the first cour is confirmed as a 1h episode. So... where do you think they will stop? The Rin/Shirou scene on the rooftop? Or Archer betrayal?
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Dec 12, 2014 18:01
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I'm thinking Archer betrayal. It's the best way to leave a hook for the second cour.
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Dec 12, 2014 18:16
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Sylphid posted:I'm thinking Archer betrayal. It's the best way to leave a hook for the second cour. I really don't think they have enough time to reach that point, even with that one-hour episode.
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Dec 12, 2014 18:21
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Losing Saber to Rule Breaker wouldn't be too bad either (so basically ending on the rooftop scene).
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Dec 12, 2014 18:25
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MonsieurChoc posted:Nasu is just channelling his idol Andrew Hussie. I imagine Nasu hearing about the exposition booth in one of the later bits of Homestuck and literally going out in Akiba and paying people to let him spout Nasuspeak.
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Dec 12, 2014 21:59
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If the last episode is an hour long they can get to the Archer betrayal scene easily
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Dec 12, 2014 22:05
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Nate RFB posted:Losing Saber to Rule Breaker wouldn't be too bad either (so basically ending on the rooftop scene). That's the pivotal moment in the VN as well, I think. You aren't really sure if Archer's just faking his new loyalties until the "I hate Shirou!" diatribes much later. Saber going down to Caster, though - that was the real "yeah, they're in real trouble now" moment for me.
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Dec 12, 2014 22:08
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It really is a shame that Nasu felt he had to crowbar that half-assed Karen romance into that great story about Baz and Angra being friends.
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Nate RFB posted:I'm replaying Fate at the moment and god there is so much The cool thing about Nasu technobabble is that while his explanations are stupidly overcomplicated and long, the way things actually work in the narrative is generally pretty intuitive, so whenever poo poo like that happens you can basically just hold ctrl until people start saying actual words again.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:06
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when you realize it's saturday and need to wait for a new episode of UBW
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i predict this weeks flavor of the UBW thread will be complaining about the projection magic. the words shonen powerup will be used anyway neat episode, had a title drop and everything
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It could always be complaining about how the action isn't meaningful and there isn't the strategy like there is in F/Z. (Seriously what the gently caress was up with that one  )
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