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Movie 1: Movie 2:  Movie 3:  This is the greatest spoiler in the forum so far!
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Even if Apocrypha isn’t your jam, I would strongly recommend watching the Chiron vs. Achilles fistfight from Episode 21. It’s absolutely stunning.
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Dec 5, 2017 18:19
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If only either of those characters weren't the most boring thing
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Dec 5, 2017 18:31
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Captain Baal posted:If only either of those characters weren't the most boring thing Yeah, but that matters significantly less for a three-minute animation showcase.
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Dec 5, 2017 18:34
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I tried to look it up and I'm unsure of how a anime where the two teams fight on a squadron of jumbo jets can be boring wtf
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Dec 5, 2017 19:35
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It's difficult to imagine, but Fate Apocrypha manages.
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Dec 5, 2017 19:37
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My group of friends calls it Fate Hypocrita. We basically only watch it for Astolfo.
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Dec 5, 2017 19:49
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The only good parts of that show are Astolfo and Mordred. I like Jeanne but she’s stuck with the most boring character ever in Seig.
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Dec 5, 2017 20:10
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's difficult to imagine, but Fate Apocrypha manages. 
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Dec 5, 2017 20:41
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Atalante, Shakespeare, Semiramis, and Fran are also good.  Also I like Avicebron but mainly because of his historical counterpart.
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Dec 5, 2017 20:47
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Avicebron is the most uncomfortable character in the show and that's an achievement. He's literally a Jewish wizard using the blood of children to power his magic. How did not no point out what a bad idea that was during production? The idea of Shakespeare as a servant is great. His actual execution is straight up wasted potential the character. Why they made him a fanboy for fightmans is something I will never understand.
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Dec 5, 2017 21:05
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Terrible Opinions posted:Avicebron is the most uncomfortable character in the show and that's an achievement. He's literally a Jewish wizard using the blood of children to power his magic. How did not no point out what a bad idea that was during production? You're a real retard, did you know that
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Dec 5, 2017 21:12
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Terrible Opinions posted:Avicebron is the most uncomfortable character in the show and that's an achievement. He's literally a Jewish wizard using the blood of children to power his magic. How did not no point out what a bad idea that was during production? they probably didn't point it out, because it's a really stupid thing to get up in arms about
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Dec 5, 2017 21:58
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Apocrypha Servants are characters that work better outside their own story as Fate GO demonstrates because they are in a significantly more enjoyable plot. Or in Karna's case, both FGO and CCC. Compendium fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Dec 5, 2017 22:00
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It says a lot when your show's most interesting character is Shiro Amakusa, who still sucks.
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Dec 5, 2017 22:14
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Plutonis posted:You're a real retard, did you know that gently caress off with this poo poo.
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Dec 6, 2017 01:45
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"I am uncomfortable with the weird blood libelesque thing going on here" "SHUT UP AND DIE MORON" Another stellar day of discourse
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Dec 6, 2017 02:19
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It’s especially awkward because the most famous golem story was about the one that defended the Prague ghetto from anti-Semitic attacks. Apocrypha’s version of Avicebron does draw from a number of actual pieces of Jewish and European folklore (especially the Golem of Chelm), but they could have been a wee bit more sensitive about the incredibly charged racial context around stories of Jewish mysticism.
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Dec 6, 2017 02:30
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I'm not gonna bother with a guy who's doing an insane leap out of bad faith when the story itself made the reason that Roche was only picked as Golem Core because Avicebron couldn't put his hands on the fat useless uncle after switching sides.
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Dec 6, 2017 02:32
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Avicebron's in the story: Medieval iberia really sucks and I'm gonna find a way to make the world return to the garden of eden Avicebron's interpreted by insane goons: I'm gonna make matzo out of a child
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Dec 6, 2017 02:34
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Plutonis posted:I'm not gonna bother with a guy who's doing an insane leap out of bad faith when the story itself made the reason that Roche was only picked as Golem Core because Avicebron couldn't put his hands on the fat useless uncle after switching sides. ... but he still decided that his pursuit of spiritual fulfilment warranted murdering a child, and that’s a narrative trope with an incredibly ugly history.
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Dec 6, 2017 02:37
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Darth Walrus posted:... but he still decided that his pursuit of spiritual fulfilment warranted murdering a child, and that’s a narrative trope with an incredibly ugly history. Nobody said a peep when aryan ideal Gilgamesh performed heart surgery on albino child for the sake of purging the world of the weak and unfit. Or everything Uryuu and Gilles did.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:04
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Kyte posted:Nobody said a peep when aryan ideal Gilgamesh performed heart surgery on albino child for the sake of purging the world of the weak and unfit. Because those characters aren't jewish "Jews murder children to use their blood in rituals" is an actual thing people believe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
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Dec 6, 2017 03:08
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*watching a show in which a ten year old girl wears a thong and the camera lingers lovingly on her rear end* the real issue here is that there's a jewish wizard edit: for real though yes some people believe that but i really doubt the writers of fate/apocrypha are literal nazis or believe in blood libel, and more than that there are jewish characters in other parts of the fate lore who are whatever, and more than that literally every wizard in the fate universe uses children blood to power their magic. if avicebron was the only character who sunk that low i could see it but he's just being treated in the same way as every other villainous wizard in the fateverse.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:09
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Kyte posted:Nobody said a peep when aryan ideal Gilgamesh performed heart surgery on albino child for the sake of purging the world of the weak and unfit. Oh no, the villain is doing something villainous.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:09
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Kyte posted:Nobody said a peep when aryan ideal Gilgamesh performed heart surgery on albino child for the sake of purging the world of the weak and unfit. Illya's actually 20+ years old so she's a dwarf rather than a child. An albino dwarf.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:14
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also I think uryuu and giles' child murdering spree sucks but that's entirely because I think it comes off as lame and trying way too hard the fakeout with the kid escaping and then getting killed is good, everything after that is just progressively less effective to the point where the kids exploding into monsters around Saber is just ridiculous.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:18
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Blockhouse posted:also I think uryuu and giles' child murdering spree sucks but that's entirely because I think it comes off as lame and trying way too hard
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Dec 6, 2017 03:19
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i don't think urobuchi has to try very hard to just bee himself
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Dec 6, 2017 03:24
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Didn't Nasu at one point, while going over F/Z drafts, ask him if his blood was red?
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Dec 6, 2017 03:35
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Isn't F/Z just Depressing poo poo: The novel?
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Dec 6, 2017 04:30
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Nevermind that the Black faction was using homunculi as batteries. Sure, they don't look like children but that's basically what they are.
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Dec 6, 2017 04:37
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I mean all Fate characters bar Alexander look like children.Endorph posted:*watching a show in which a ten year old girl wears a thong and the camera lingers lovingly on her rear end* the real issue here is that there's a jewish wizard
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Dec 6, 2017 06:24
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Endorph posted:*watching a show in which a ten year old girl wears a thong and the camera lingers lovingly on her rear end* the real issue here is that there's a jewish wizard You can criticize a work for unintentional problematic poo poo, especially when a large group of people worked on it and at least one of them could have spoken up
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Dec 6, 2017 06:27
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It's a weird day when I realize that child murder is one of the least weird things about Type-Moon stuff
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Dec 6, 2017 07:32
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cheetah7071 posted:You can criticize a work for unintentional problematic poo poo, especially when a large group of people worked on it and at least one of them could have spoken up Almost none of those people would have had the same cultural context as a Westerner regarding antisemitism, though.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:05
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Silver2195 posted:Almost none of those people would have had the same cultural context as a Westerner regarding antisemitism, though. Yeah there's an interesting argument to be made in cases like this where in the original cultural context (written by Japanese people for Japanese people) it isn't problematic, but it's intended to be aired worldwide from the get-go rather than as an afterthought. Whether it should be judged in the Japanese context or the worldwide context in that situation is unclear to me. I think anime these days tends to have the localizers in on the project from the very beginning so having them do a quick pass over the script relatively early in the process to catch things like this seems like a no-brainer to me. e: I should clarify that I don't really have a horse in the race of whether it's actually antisemitic, I'm just challenging the arguments that it's necessarily okay because it's unintentional
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Dec 6, 2017 08:18
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It's a light novel adaptation.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:19
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Yes and the Made in Abyss anime removed most of the manga's sexualization of children. You can change things in adaptation.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:37
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They could've turned his Master into an adult, I guess...? Dial down the 'betrayed by your mentor' aspect a bit for the sake of avoiding the UNCOMFORTABLE IMPLICATIONS of using a HUMAN SACRIFICE to power JEWISH MAGIC. This is such a non-thing.
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Dec 6, 2017 09:35
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